2063 - A Different Look at Framing

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2063 - A Different Look at Framing

Post by RonCo » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:19 pm

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The FQOTD (fun question of the day) on my mind for this day is: does catcher framing matter in OOTP? You might find this odd, because I believe it to be a universal truth among OOTP GMs that framing does, indeed matter. I’m not going to argue with that at all here. What I’m doing here, though, is a fun exercise with OOTP game log numbers to see exactly how it matters—or more specifically, if framing actually seems to influence OOTP umpires.

I got the idea the other day as I was fiddling with pitcher balls and strikes, that using the game logs I could compare catchers similarly. In reality, this is a “well duh,” but you can say that about a lot of the silly studies I do with my game log data—there are soooo many things I can now study that I just never thought to study before. But now questions come up, and I think “hmmm…I wonder what the granular data says about that?”

So I go look.

Here is just the latest effort.

First, my supposition:
I proposed to myself that a catcher who was good at framing would have a better Called Strike to Ball ratio than one who did not, or in other words, would get more strikes called on pitches in which that batter did not swing. My view on this is that the umpire only calls and strikes on those pitches, hence these are the only places catchers can steal, or give away, strikes.
Given the above I went through the logs and made a pivot table to break this data out by individual catcher. In this case, I split them also by team. So, a guy like Rhys Atticus, who has been traded in mid-season, will appear twice. I then added in each catcher’s current Framing Rating (note, this could have changed during the season, but it is what it is right now. Once this was done, I sorted the collection, and plotted the data.

Much fun, right.

I’ll put the entire table below, but for now, let’s do a few things. First, here are”


The Top Ten Framers (by CS/(CS+B))

CatcherTeamFRM%CS
J. HernandezCharm City Jimmies1033.45%
P. JimenezBikini Krill1032.03%
C. MarcillasTwin Cities River Monsters1032.00%
R. WatsonCalgary Pioneers932.00%
J. SmithCape Fear Swamp Foxes831.87%
J. BehnkeMontreal Blazers831.54%
A. UeckerPortland Lumberjacks1131.46%
R. FernandezCharlotte Flyers831.44%
A. BeamanLouisville Sluggers831.38%
M. CantuNashville Bluebirds931.30%

Well, now, that’s interesting. The three at the top are “10” framers, and Portland’s Alan Uecker at “11” is in the mix. It’s interesting that there are four “8s” in the mix, too. How much of this is simply catching guys with greater Stuff? To do this really wellwould need a controlled environment and carful matching of pitchers and catchers, but that’s not what I’m doing here because that’s no fun. What’s fun is to see Cape Fear’s Jose Smith and his “8” framing sitting at #5 on the list and asking ourselves if that’s due to sample size or CPF pitching, or what. Perhaps their opponents simply take more good pitches … who knows?

Regardless, I’m happy to see Bikini’s Pedro Jimenez on the list.

Next, I looked at …


Yellow Springs’ Augusto Annis and Vancouver’s Rhys Atticus


These are the guys who have been with two teams, hence have two different performances. I wondered how different their performances were. Bottom line, Atticus’s time in Long Beach and Vancouver are similar (ish), whereas Annis has been night and day different. Annis, while in San Fernando, was horrible this year, but has been quite solid in Yellow Springs.

Is that related to pitchers and control? Probably. Or maybe. Or maybe it’s due to ballpark effects, too. Perhaps the “Average” BP Factor is not all about BABIP. I don’t know.

Here are their lines:

CatcherTeamBallsCalled StrikesTotalFRM%CS2 Teams
A. AnnisYellow Springs Nine147066021301030.99%<<
R. AtticusLong Beach Surfers2744117439181029.96%<<<
R. AtticusVancouver Mounties5442267701029.35%<<<
A. AnnisSan Fernando Bears6142188321026.20%<<
Interesting, eh?


And, Finally ...


Finally, I took all the catchers and plotted their Framing Rating against their Called Strike %, which shows that there is, indeed, a trendline up associated with the Framing rating, but the fact is that the other aspects of the game engine that affect such metrics as balls and strikes seem to add a lot of noise into the conversation.

There’s also the question of: How much, in real effect, is an extra strike or two worth in OOTP? Which is a question that makes a difference in real baseball, but may or may not make a difference in the sim. Unless maybe it affects pitch count?

I don’t know. I’m making stuff up there.

Regardless, the chart is interesting to look at:

Called-Strikes.png

One assumes that as sample size increased or as other elements were controlled for, some of the noise would go away. But as with all things baseball (and OOTP), stats are created in a very messy mishmash, and this data shows that by my ginned-up metric, in practical applications in “real life” OOTP games even a “7” in some situations can outperform a “10” in others.


Summary

Like I said, this is mostly for fun. I have no idea what any of it really means, and to be fair I’m assuming that this information is back-calculated by OOTP to some degree—meaning that the game is most likely creating data based on ratings, but also based on the fact that it almost certainly already knows the base outcome of the plate appearance before it gets around to this aspect of the game.

Full and open disclosure, though, I could 100% be wrong about that. Feel free to dig deeper and come up with hypothesis of your own. My ears are open.


For your full Silly BBA Goodness of the Day pleasure, however, here’s the full table of data.

CatcherTeamBallsCalled StrikesTotalFRM%CS2 Teams
J. HernandezCharm City Jimmies73637011061033.45%
P. JimenezBikini Krill199393929321032.03%
C. MarcillasTwin Cities River Monsters136642001032.00%
R. WatsonCalgary Pioneers17818382619932.00%
J. SmithCape Fear Swamp Foxes7463491095831.87%
J. BehnkeMontreal Blazers547252799831.54%
A. UeckerPortland Lumberjacks2479113836171131.46%
R. FernándezCharlotte Flyers8093711180831.44%
A. BeamanLouisville Sluggers8794021281831.38%
M. CantuNashville Bluebirds316144460931.30%
H. CerdaNashville Bluebirds71832610441031.23%
T. PitzerDes Moines Kernels491221712731.04%
D. QuintanaNew Orleans Crawdads321314454658931.02%
A. DiazRosenblatt Bombers10024501452730.99%
A. AnnisYellow Springs Nine147066021301030.99%<<
L. StewartCharlotte Flyers313414054539830.95%
M. MatsunagaDes Moines Kernels292513064231830.87%
A. KakakhelAtlantic City Gamblers228010173297830.85%
G. EspinozaLong Beach Surfers7873501137830.78%
I. QuintanaBikini Krill19098472756730.73%
J. AppletonHawaii Tropics12345471781930.71%
R. CastilloLong Beach Surfers502222724930.66%
E. ReyesCharm City Jimmies314013774517830.48%
M. WinchesterMadison Wolves326114264687930.42%
M. MatsunagaSan Fernando Bears247108355830.42%
J. ChitwoodCalgary Pioneers12575491806630.40%
H. SyedaAustin Shredders3313144347561030.34%
L. GonzalesBrook Park Brownies313913584497830.20%
T. LopezPhoenix Talons308213334415830.19%
C. RomanTwin Cities River Monsters2961284241030.19%
R. AtticusLong Beach Surfers2744117439181029.96%<<<
J. KinsellaSacramento Mad Popes320513704575929.95%
B. McBearettSan Antonio Outlaws277411833957929.90%
D. LopezNashville Bluebirds307813124390929.89%
League1320035610318810629.83%
W. McMullinSacramento Mad Popes9103861296829.78%
R. DeVilleMexico City Aztecs323413704604629.76%
D. OldsChicago Black Sox8573621219829.70%
C. MorganLas Vegas Hustlers322313614584529.69%
S. ButlerCape Fear Swamp Foxes331313964709929.65%
A. bin ZaimCobble Hill Robins13285641892729.62%
J. ChávezYellow Springs Nine18467722618929.49%
M. TrujilloSan Fernando Bears245810263484729.45%
S. WaddenSan Antonio Outlaws12305131743829.43%
M. CórdovaVancouver Mounties8283451173729.41%
R. AtticusVancouver Mounties5442267701029.35%<<<
R. O'DonnellJacksonville Zombies255210593611729.33%
M. GoaterVancouver Mounties264210963738629.32%
B. RusselValencia Stars23909913381729.31%
A. RumboldLas Vegas Hustlers8383471185529.28%
Q. KahilMontreal Blazers23669783344829.25%
Ã. LüfiCalgary Pioneers9013711272929.17%
F. bin MubarakPortland Lumberjacks13485591907629.14%
B. HelwichValencia Stars20208302850829.12%
T. OtaniBoise Spuds329813554653829.12%
M. EchevarriaChicago Black Sox341914044823529.11%
P. RodriguezSan Fernando Bears9113731284729.05%
M. MaloneTwin Cities River Monsters16776862363529.03%
U. bin SalehBoise Spuds9073721279529.02%
P. TrevinoMontreal Blazers9683951363928.98%
E. HendersonRosenblatt Bombers299812214219728.94%
J. WebberPortland Lumberjacks19981280828.93%
T. TrevelyanPhoenix Talons9603901350728.89%
E. MedineCobble Hill Robins2999121842171028.88%
H. PiñeiroJacksonville Zombies15606332193728.86%
D. SekulicMexico City Aztecs7893181107828.73%
R. RomoAtlantic City Gamblers19027662668528.71%
D. ArmstrongLouisville Sluggers335713474704628.64%
A. MedinaHawaii Tropics309212404332628.62%
T. TatlockTwin Cities River Monsters21118432954828.54%
A. AbiolaNew Orleans Crawdads9023591261628.47%
E. PazMadison Wolves9433741317728.40%
R. MartìnezBrook Park Brownies11954731668728.36%
D. DavidsonDes Moines Kernels712280992528.23%
Ã. GutierrezAustin Shredders9043581262628.01%
C. DurdleYellow Springs Nine7842941078727.27%
A. AnnisSan Fernando Bears6142188321026.20%<<
D. van HornLas Vegas Hustlers14847195724.10%
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Re: 2063 - A Different Look at Framing

Post by Trebro » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:18 pm

Not really sure what to make of this. FWiW, not going into depth but a cursory glance shows that Kurt and I have similar levels of Control on our staff - no one under 5, mostly 6, a few 7/8 folks. So it might not be related to Control.

I will say having better framers by rating seems to have helped Ollie Lowery and Cory McGuire, but did nothing for Schwarz or Delgado. But our defense metrics are better, so perhaps framing is causing batters to hit worse pitches leading to easier outs?

We are on pace to walk about 60 less guys, too.

*Shrug*

Not sure what to make of this. I'm running a black hole catcher offense right now. I'd kinda hoped it would lead to more defensive improvement but again, maybe some of it just isn't measurable?
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Re: 2063 - A Different Look at Framing

Post by RonCo » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:35 pm

For my personality, defensive metrics are so interesting because they are sometimes hard to put into easy buckets.
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Re: 2063 - A Different Look at Framing

Post by Graham » Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:44 pm

RonCo wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:19 pm
…as I was fiddling with pitcher balls…
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Re: 2063 - A Different Look at Framing

Post by Graham » Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:48 pm

Good stuff, Ron 👍🏻

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Re: 2063 - A Different Look at Framing

Post by RonCo » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:33 pm

Graham wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:44 pm
RonCo wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:19 pm
…as I was fiddling with pitcher balls…
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