2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

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2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by BaseClogger » Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:00 pm

10/7/2062


There's been an evident trend in Major League Baseball dating back decades now of starting pitchers throwing less and less pitches per start and as a result less innings over a full season. Managers and front office analysts want to avoid having their starting pitchers face opposing lineups a third time thru the order while also leveraging more and more talented relief specialists who light up the radar gun.

Aaron and I were having a conversation about this topic as it relates to the BBA under a recent Jacksonville TN post and I decided to pull the data to back up one of my hunches--that we're seeing a decline in the number of established, top tier starting pitchers logging over 200 innings. Below is a count of starting pitchers who met the 200 inning, 175 inning, and 150 inning threshold for every season since I joined the league.


> 200 IP> 175 IP> 150 IP
20513166114
20523882125
20534092132
20544697138
20554185128
20564087122
20572874121
20583875124
20593288130
20603698138
20613081119
20621070112

I pulled the data in chronological order so to be honest I was pretty disappointed to not really see a trend over the years until suddenly I reached 2062. After averaging 36 pitchers who tossed 200 or more innings from 2051 to 2061 that number nosedived to just 10 pitchers in 2062.

Below is the list of those 10 pitchers.


NameAGETeamIPERA
Shinsui Hasegawa32CLG238.23.55
Brian Whitford25ATC223.22.90
Dave Corfield37MEX2193.78
Garth Dobbs28DM215.12.88
George White24SA213.14.56
Hector Silva30CCJ2113.80
Ji-e Woo34MEX210.14.19
John O'Leary23POR2054.04
Cesar Franco25SA202.14.45
Buwono Mainaky33CHA202.13.07


As I mentioned in the intro, there can be several reasons for this phenomenon. Is it front office strategy to limit how many times opposing hitters see your starters? Is it a fallow period for starting pitching talent? Or--as in the case of my pet theory--is it a reaction to the increased talent level of the relief pitchers entering the league? I can't say for certain, but you should take note that if you didn't have a 200 inning pitcher on your staff this season you were in the majority of teams.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by aaronweiner » Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:33 pm

Good article. Based on this, notably, only 1/2 of regular starters went 180. (Corrected from not paying attention before.)
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by RonCo » Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:36 pm

That's interesting. The dropoff is quite large. I'm wondering if that's just a weird aberration, or if maybe there are injuries at work? Some is probably the talent of relief pitchers, but there's also the question of whether older players (of which starting pitchers are prime candidates) are falling off too fast.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by BaseClogger » Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:48 pm

I had to pull the historical seasons using the .html pages and 2062 using Statsplus so let me know if anybody sees anything off.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by BaseClogger » Sun Apr 13, 2025 3:49 pm

I knew something was up when I saw Alexander Swanson reach 18th in Ron’s SP power rankings. I view him as a MOR innings eater.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by Bob Breum » Sun Apr 13, 2025 4:16 pm

Lucio Juarez threw 199 innings for us over 31 starts. He was the only member of our rotation who was present all season. All of the others either arrived in trade or spent time in the bullpen.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by ae37jr » Sun Apr 13, 2025 4:54 pm

I've stayed away from it over the years. Going for quality over quantity. But I fully intend to use Enzo Bouton as a sacrificial lamb next season, throwing as many innings as possible to limit the innings of others.not sure how it will go
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by JRamirez » Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:05 pm

In Dobbs case, first, he has a high stamina rating, and also a durable inj rating; and second DM wasn't blessed with superstar RP. I also have Amaya, who has a 11 STA but he's not among my top five or six starters. Also, if Dobbs arm falls off in five years, that'll justify not re-signing him. Hey, use it before you lose it! I think this is the first SP who topped 200 ip for me since I got here in '59 (eta: Akers had 211 in '60). Some of other rotation starters, well OOTP pulls them after 100 pitches. Comes down to league stamina ratings and the league wide stamina rating, doesn't it?
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by RonCo » Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:21 pm

Another aspect is that several guys I think have taken to starting 3 and 4 stamina guys. i started Vidaca with 2 stamina for awhile. I suppose that removes starts for others.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by BaseClogger » Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:13 pm

JRamirez wrote:
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In Dobbs case, first, he has a high stamina rating, and also a durable inj rating; and second DM wasn't blessed with superstar RP. I also have Amaya, who has a 11 STA but he's not among my top five or six starters. Also, if Dobbs arm falls off in five years, that'll justify not re-signing him. Hey, use it before you lose it! I think this is the first SP who topped 200 ip for me since I got here in '59 (eta: Akers had 211 in '60). Some of other rotation starters, well OOTP pulls them after 100 pitches. Comes down to league stamina ratings and the league wide stamina rating, doesn't it?
Cantrell threw 200 innings a few times too. You just had the hosses I don’t blame you at all. But I’d say there’s a lot more to it than just league stamina ratings since managers decide when a pitcher leaves the game and we control that.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by JRamirez » Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:35 pm

BaseClogger wrote:
Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:13 pm
JRamirez wrote:
Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:05 pm
In Dobbs case, first, he has a high stamina rating, and also a durable inj rating; and second DM wasn't blessed with superstar RP. I also have Amaya, who has a 11 STA but he's not among my top five or six starters. Also, if Dobbs arm falls off in five years, that'll justify not re-signing him. Hey, use it before you lose it! I think this is the first SP who topped 200 ip for me since I got here in '59 (eta: Akers had 211 in '60). Some of other rotation starters, well OOTP pulls them after 100 pitches. Comes down to league stamina ratings and the league wide stamina rating, doesn't it?
Cantrell threw 200 innings a few times too. You just had the hosses I don’t blame you at all. But I’d say there’s a lot more to it than just league stamina ratings since managers decide when a pitcher leaves the game and we control that.
(1)Cantrell, twice in 15 seasons, but not when he was with me. (2) I was being conversational, not comprehensive. It's actually the game who pulls Akers. He has no pitch count. Although I do have Everard and Sutphin as a stopper and free-ranging setup/MR, who get a lot of time.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by Trebro » Sun Apr 13, 2025 8:52 pm

I don't think there's enough data to know for sure yet. I find the 175 remaining about the same to be the most telling. We also have a number of teams stuck in rebuilding mode, myself included . I'm unlikely to have anyone pitch 200 because I'm trying to figure out who to keep, for example.

That said as much as I hate it, the days of SP going more than 6 is probably dead.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by DaveB » Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:44 pm

Is it just the game coding to normalize how SP is used in 2025?
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Post by Trebro » Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:50 pm

DaveB wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:44 pm
Is it just the game coding to normalize how SP is used in 2025?
I imagine that's been true last 4 versions though?
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by CTBrewCrew » Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:22 pm

Wow! That’s a huge drop 10 P - how many are SP vs RP?
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by CTBrewCrew » Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:22 pm

You’d think the diff would be offset by innings moving to the bullpen. Perhaps a corresponding spike on that side?
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by niles08 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:19 am

Don't worry. I am known to toss them out there until they die so I will get this trend heading in the other direction.
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Re: 2062 - The Death of the 200 Inning Pitcher

Post by RonCo » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:59 am

niles08 wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:19 am
Don't worry. I am known to toss them out there until they die so I will get this trend heading in the other direction.
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