Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

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Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

Post by RonCo » Fri May 01, 2020 9:26 am

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Shoeless has recently been having fun with Bunty McBunterson, and all that good stuff. I can’t wait to see how his career actually goes. Of course, people have been wondering how the bunt works in OOTP for some time, and for just as long no one has really known. The game doesn’t really tell you anything about it from a stats perspective other than counting successful sacrifices and printing results on the game log.

Real teams would know, of course.

They would have numbers, or, if they were old school they would have, if nothing else, the eye test and an old coach in the background who’s spitting tobacco and grumbling how this kid could really lay one down.

All we have in OOTP, though (other than the bunt and “bunt for hit” ratings), are SACs and game logs.

You know where this is going, right?

It struck me a while back that, since the game logs actually note when a player is “bunting for hit” that I could gather some data. And, of course, that’s what I’ve done. In particular, I’ve sorted out every “bunt for hit” attempt noted in the logs, and indicated their success or failure. Here’s the data, split by team/player:

Two Notes:

- This data is games through June 30
- BFH = Player’s Bunt For Hit rating (remember, it’s relative!)

TeamBatterBFHATT1BOutAVG
Atlantic City GamblersBradley Sheen6110.000
Boise SpudsRamón Miranda7110.000
Ricardo Ruíz94220.500
Brooklyn RobinsIgnacio Venegas6220.000
Tim Torres8111.000
Calgary PioneersTashfin Modupe5110.000
California CrusadersJorge Lugo7111.000
Mitch Dalrymple62110.500
Charm City JimmiesTomás Guillén5110.000
Chicago Black SoxJoe Mills9111.000
Luis González86240.333
Tomás Durán814680.429
Des Moines KernelsJorge Aranda9110.000
Edmonton JackrabbitsRobert Menzies86150.167
Wilson Villanuela82110.500
Hawaii TropicsDoeke Soethout5221.000
Las Vegas HustlersKinfu Lugono5110.000
Tom Rudge5111.000
Long Beach SurfersIra Sánchez7440.000
Louisville SluggersThéo Bourges6111.000
Madison WolvesRodger O'Connor5111.000
Montreal BlazersCasimiro Mouriz810550.500
Phoenix TalonsTommy Holman5110.000
Portland LumberjacksJaime Ramírez7220.000
Jorge López7550.000
Rockville PikemenManuel Rivera6221.000
San Antonio OutlawsMennac Shakes811560.455
Twin Cities River MonstersJuan Luis Manuel73210.667
Wichita AviatorsHervé Billy5110.000
Jorge Rincón79450.444
Yellow Springs NineÁngel Ruíz8220.000
10039610.390

Lots of fun stuff here, right? (tip of the hat to Brooklyn’s I-Gas, who got me thinking about this one in the first place). Of note—across the league, bunt for hit has been successful 39 of 100 times, or good for a .390 clip. This seems high to me, but what do I know? I mean, there is a lot of game theory behind that number. Bunt at the right times, and you probably can hit that kind of rate. Or if infield shifts are in play, and a guy decides to bunt, it’s almost a concession, right? How OOTP does its magic here is a total mystery, and that’s before we get to the fact that a sample of 100 is WAY too low to make any concrete statements about, and before we note that the OOTP manager’s strategy setting on bunts probably influences this, too.

Still, there it is.

I got to wondering about the BFH ratings. Do guys with higher BFH ratings bunt more often, or are they more successful when they do?

Parsing the data above by BFH ratings gives you the following:

BFHATT1BBunt-OutAVG
59450.444
68440.500
7257180.280
85221310.404
96330.500

So, yes, guys with larger BFH ratings relative to others, bunt more often. In this league and at this sample there is a demarcation between 6 and 7. Also, in this very small sample size, the success rate between the 7-8-9 guys seems to jump about a hundred points each. My guess is that if I pull this data at the end of the year, those numbers would change, but that’s where they are now.

As far as the high success rates of “low” bunt skills (5 and 6), I’m at a loss. Could be random success that will fade with practice, could be bad bunters who succeed due to shifts, could be structural OOTP things. I don’t know. But in the end the fact that these are big batting average numbers makes one have to at least acknowledge something could be going on in the game code.

Of course, I should note that I also can’t say I know what those numbers should be.

Maybe it’s true that bunt game theory results in bunts falling for a high success rate?

You feel free to tell me.
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Re: Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

Post by crobillard » Fri May 01, 2020 9:55 am

Love this. I've been trying to figure out how to pull these for awhile. Where does Bunty stand here?

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Re: Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

Post by RonCo » Fri May 01, 2020 10:26 am

Bunty is in the minors, and I have not pulled those game logs--unless you have access to the core files, which I do not (and don't want!), the logs are kind of a pain to create from a local copy. You have to literally open every game by hand in-game to do it. Takes me a bit under an hour or so of clicking every game month. :bag: :geek:
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Re: Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

Post by jleddy » Fri May 01, 2020 3:56 pm

Good stuff.

I have bunting cranked all the way down across the board for most of my team. However when Ruiz was in his hitting funk (and still is), I upped his sliders so I can't complain about his .500 success rate.
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Re: Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

Post by crobillard » Fri May 01, 2020 4:04 pm

RonCo wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 10:26 am
Bunty is in the minors, and I have not pulled those game logs--unless you have access to the core files, which I do not (and don't want!), the logs are kind of a pain to create from a local copy. You have to literally open every game by hand in-game to do it. Takes me a bit under an hour or so of clicking every game month. :bag: :geek:
Wow, you're insane. That's a lot of work dude.

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Re: Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

Post by Spiccoli » Fri May 01, 2020 4:14 pm

Be interesting to see running speed too. Manual is rated 10. I’ve tried to get him bunt more since he’s not the best hitter.
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Re: Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

Post by johnd2442 » Fri May 01, 2020 5:55 pm

Ron, this is a hell of a writeup and a study. I loved reading it even though I have no horse in the game. However, I do love Bunty immediately. With a name like that, he won't be easy to miss in the future. I hope I can keep track of him in the minors and see if he can keep doing as well as he currently is. Are there any projections for his future? Is he a top level prospect?
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Fri May 01, 2020 3:56 pm
I have bunting cranked all the way down across the board for most of my team. However when Ruiz was in his hitting funk (and still is), I upped his sliders so I can't complain about his .500 success rate.
And I just found out how to edit individual player strategies due to your comment. Holy crap...I never knew I could do that before. More time in the future down the drain due to this!
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Re: Squinting at Numbers: Bunt for Hit

Post by shoeless.db » Sat May 02, 2020 7:47 am

This is crazy. And, it makes me even more excited about Bunty. Thanks for all the work behind putting this together.
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