A compilation of posts that will help you play OOTP better
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A compilation of posts that will help you play OOTP better
I love, love, love OOTP studies. Inject them into my veins. Ever since my early days in FOBL when an owner showed that MOV in a super-early version (I think v5, but it's been a long time) was by far the most important pitching rating, and it wasn't close. That has changed over the years, but he built a dominant strategy around it we called "cuervoball," and everybody immediately copied him.
Back then, FOBL had quite a few stat nerds (*cough* Ron *cough*), and I learned pretty much everything I know about OOTP from them.
With that in mind, I went through the "Features" forum here and tried to compile threads (and in some cases, individual posts within threads) containing information that I consider to belong to the category of, "things you really want to know about OOTP."
I'm not all the way through, but really, given the changes in each version, I think we're almost reaching a point of diminishing returns. Feel free to post links to things I've missed.
I hope to go through this post and enhance it to include more specific information on what the post in question discusses (sort of a mini-abstract for each post), but I wanted to get this out there.
(includes posts dated 9/28/17 and newer)
Last Updated: 12-12-19
Pitch types and their effects: viewtopic.php?p=176873#p176873
Chart showing personality traits and resultant "types": viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28662&p=162921&hil ... er#p162932
SS defense is more than "just find me the best range you've got": viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28414&p=161054
UCL surgery: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29202
Exit velocity: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29117
Strikeout proficiency: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28765
Game planning: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28624
5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28488
The Power of On-base Percentage: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28468
Relative Ratings and Platoon Splits: Batters: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28235
What is a good/bad team?: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28188
The Thin Line Between 1B and DH: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27343
The status of Ratings across the BBA after the BBA adjusted our rating scheme from absolute to relative: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27115
International Complex Development: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26218
Catcher ratings and their effects (many individual posts discussing various aspects): viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26010
Gate Sharing as a primary tool for controlling the financial environment: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25444
Some info on ticket prices, both estimating other team's and their effects: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25407
Aspects of player personality and using PPT to increase them: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25265
Another Danged Catcher Defense Study: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25186
Players' error rating and its effect on performance: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25140
Is Infield Error Broken?: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25137
The value of various pitching ratings (in the BBA environment of 2035): viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25012
How Often Do Defensive Ratings Bump?: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24421
Post in a larger topic discussing MOV and batter ratings (e.g., how to estimate BABIP rating): viewtopic.php?p=135688#p135688
Several threads on SB:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23787
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22190
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22198
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21319
Predicting Player Performance-It's not all about the ratings (with some valuable posts from Ted and RonCo later in the thread about granularity of ratings, etc.): viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23391
The relative value of 4 different slash lines (to get to the original linked poll, go to viewtopic.php?f=34&t=22991), with really good discussion of the OOTP engine: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22996
Media Guide Articles
The pitching platoon experiment - good thoughts on how to pick SP based on your opponent (2033): http://www.typosphere.com/2033-BBA-Medi ... -Final.pdf
Is there a difference as to when injuries occur in V18 vs. V17, along with other injury data - "Pain and Suffering in the BBA (2034)": http://www.typosphere.com/2034-BBA-Medi ... -Final.pdf
An Argument for Higher Ticket Prices (2038): http://www.typosphere.com/2038-BBA-Medi ... -Final.pdf
What’s a Draft Pick Worth? (2039): http://www.typosphere.com/2039-BBA-Medi ... -Final.pdf
Back then, FOBL had quite a few stat nerds (*cough* Ron *cough*), and I learned pretty much everything I know about OOTP from them.
With that in mind, I went through the "Features" forum here and tried to compile threads (and in some cases, individual posts within threads) containing information that I consider to belong to the category of, "things you really want to know about OOTP."
I'm not all the way through, but really, given the changes in each version, I think we're almost reaching a point of diminishing returns. Feel free to post links to things I've missed.
I hope to go through this post and enhance it to include more specific information on what the post in question discusses (sort of a mini-abstract for each post), but I wanted to get this out there.
(includes posts dated 9/28/17 and newer)
Last Updated: 12-12-19
Pitch types and their effects: viewtopic.php?p=176873#p176873
Chart showing personality traits and resultant "types": viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28662&p=162921&hil ... er#p162932
SS defense is more than "just find me the best range you've got": viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28414&p=161054
UCL surgery: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29202
Exit velocity: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29117
Strikeout proficiency: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28765
Game planning: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28624
5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28488
The Power of On-base Percentage: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28468
Relative Ratings and Platoon Splits: Batters: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28235
What is a good/bad team?: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28188
The Thin Line Between 1B and DH: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27343
The status of Ratings across the BBA after the BBA adjusted our rating scheme from absolute to relative: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27115
International Complex Development: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26218
Catcher ratings and their effects (many individual posts discussing various aspects): viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26010
Gate Sharing as a primary tool for controlling the financial environment: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25444
Some info on ticket prices, both estimating other team's and their effects: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25407
Aspects of player personality and using PPT to increase them: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25265
Another Danged Catcher Defense Study: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25186
Players' error rating and its effect on performance: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25140
Is Infield Error Broken?: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25137
The value of various pitching ratings (in the BBA environment of 2035): viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25012
How Often Do Defensive Ratings Bump?: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24421
Post in a larger topic discussing MOV and batter ratings (e.g., how to estimate BABIP rating): viewtopic.php?p=135688#p135688
Several threads on SB:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23787
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22190
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22198
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21319
Predicting Player Performance-It's not all about the ratings (with some valuable posts from Ted and RonCo later in the thread about granularity of ratings, etc.): viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23391
The relative value of 4 different slash lines (to get to the original linked poll, go to viewtopic.php?f=34&t=22991), with really good discussion of the OOTP engine: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22996
Media Guide Articles
The pitching platoon experiment - good thoughts on how to pick SP based on your opponent (2033): http://www.typosphere.com/2033-BBA-Medi ... -Final.pdf
Is there a difference as to when injuries occur in V18 vs. V17, along with other injury data - "Pain and Suffering in the BBA (2034)": http://www.typosphere.com/2034-BBA-Medi ... -Final.pdf
An Argument for Higher Ticket Prices (2038): http://www.typosphere.com/2038-BBA-Medi ... -Final.pdf
What’s a Draft Pick Worth? (2039): http://www.typosphere.com/2039-BBA-Medi ... -Final.pdf
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Re: A compilation of posts that will help you play OOTP better
Awesome. Now I've got to go back and read them all.
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Yes, yes. I smell "Special Project points" and a Sticky
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I'd like to buy you a beer. Seriously.
Also, there goes my evening...
Also, there goes my evening...
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I'm so glad people are finding this useful!
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Re: A compilation of posts that will help you play OOTP better
I'll add something here... studies I would like to see:
Pitch types and their effects on splits, etc. (i.e., what is the "optimal" mix of pitches in prospects?)
How often does a "stuck" changeup become "unstuck," and at what age is it likely to happen (conversely, after what age is a changeup never going to develop). Also, how often do pitchers develop a 3rd pitch, and is the best chance with a guy that has a 1/1 changeup (what I've found anecdotally).
Pitch types and their effects on splits, etc. (i.e., what is the "optimal" mix of pitches in prospects?)
How often does a "stuck" changeup become "unstuck," and at what age is it likely to happen (conversely, after what age is a changeup never going to develop). Also, how often do pitchers develop a 3rd pitch, and is the best chance with a guy that has a 1/1 changeup (what I've found anecdotally).
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Re: A compilation of posts that will help you play OOTP better
I would love to see this. I don't have much time to go through the info, so I'm so appreciative of people who take the time to put this stuff together.sjshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:56 pmHow often does a "stuck" changeup become "unstuck," and at what age is it likely to happen (conversely, after what age is a changeup never going to develop). Also, how often do pitchers develop a 3rd pitch, and is the best chance with a guy that has a 1/1 changeup (what I've found anecdotally).
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GREAT stuff, can't wait to go back and read (or re-read) them...I'm willing to bet some of these might even make their way into what I expect to be an enormous 75th anniversary media guide in a few (real time) years!
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Yeah, Stephen, I’ve got to join in - this is a tremendous post. What a great idea and public service. Not sure Ron even has enough points to adequately reward you for the thought and work you put in here.
Needless to say, thanks for this!
Needless to say, thanks for this!
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I award Stephen 10,000 points, but, then again, I'm currently watching "Whose Line is it Anyway".HoosierVic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:17 pmYeah, Stephen, I’ve got to join in - this is a tremendous post. What a great idea and public service. Not sure Ron even has enough points to adequately reward you for the thought and work you put in here.
Needless to say, thanks for this!
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-- Vic Caleca Team News Award Winner 2052
-- BBA Champion 2053
— Mumbai!!!
-- Pacific Champs 2040, 2042, 2043, 2047, 2048, 2049, 2051, 2053, 2054, 2058
Life is a bit more beautiful when time is measured by the half inning rather than the half hour.
-- Vic Caleca Team News Award Winner 2052
-- BBA Champion 2053
— Mumbai!!!
-- Pacific Champs 2040, 2042, 2043, 2047, 2048, 2049, 2051, 2053, 2054, 2058
Life is a bit more beautiful when time is measured by the half inning rather than the half hour.
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I'm catching up a little. I've done quite a bit of work on some of these things, and even then I'm not really sure I can adequately answer these.sjshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:56 pmI'll add something here... studies I would like to see:
Pitch types and their effects on splits, etc. (i.e., what is the "optimal" mix of pitches in prospects?)
How often does a "stuck" changeup become "unstuck," and at what age is it likely to happen (conversely, after what age is a changeup never going to develop). Also, how often do pitchers develop a 3rd pitch, and is the best chance with a guy that has a 1/1 changeup (what I've found anecdotally).
I'll also say that to write/post about them would get a little ... intense. I'll think about it a little and see if I can come up with some kernels, though. None Des Moines ones.
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Re: A compilation of posts that will help you play OOTP better
Added a post with a chart showing personality traits and resultant "types." At the top.
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Doing yeoman's work, Stephen...great stuff.
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Definitely have to take some time to comb though all of this... great compilation, thanks!
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I need to update this post eventually, but adding "Relative Ratings: Perhaps you don’t want to go here… " for posterity....
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=33592
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=33592
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I'll update this post completely during the offseason, but putting this here now:
Ted's Guide to Sustained Winning
Part 1--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28178
Part 2--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28179
Part 3--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28275
Part 4--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28356
Part 5--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28359
Appendix A--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28795
Ted's Guide to Sustained Winning
Part 1--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28178
Part 2--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28179
Part 3--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28275
Part 4--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28356
Part 5--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28359
Appendix A--viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28795
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good stuff...thanks for making this thread noticed again
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