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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by Lane » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:44 pm

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aaronweiner wrote:Wait, is this how we're defining two-way players at this point?
What other definition of two way players is there?


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Oh, you're talking about his relief pitching ability. I thought you were talking about his defense. We have a DH so it didn't occur to me.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by indiansfan » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:49 pm

Damn you Omaha. I've been sitting in Gallegos all day!
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by Ted » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:51 pm

indiansfan wrote:Damn you Omaha. I've been sitting in Gallegos all day!
Just started making my list and he was the first player I added, then he immediately vanished. What is with all the unplayable defenders? 15 of the top 20 bats left all are pretty much DH's.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by indiansfan » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:57 pm

Yep, many don't even have a position rating. Could be just too young and they will bump. Almost no college kids this year.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by Lane » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:58 pm

indiansfan wrote:Yep, many don't even have a position rating. Could be just too young and they will bump. Almost no college kids this year.
I wonder if there was some sort of bug with that, along the lines of the feeder leagues not playing this year.


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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by agrudez » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:11 pm

indiansfan wrote:I've been sitting in Gallegos all day!
Huh. How's that work?
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by udlb58 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:28 pm

indiansfan wrote:Damn you Omaha. I've been sitting in Gallegos all day!
It was down to him and Carrillo for me. Decided to go with the lefty bat over the "better" defense. Neither should be playing the field, but at least Gallegos isn't far from being an okay LF. Overall, I figured they were both 16 and it was highly unlikely either looks anything like they do now at 22. Hopefully I picked the better lottery ticket.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by felipe » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:28 pm

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aaronweiner wrote:Or "biggest Rule 5 target ever."
Stu and I are the only ones that abuse the Rule 5, though. And Stu doesn't like good players on his team.

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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by Rubaboo » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:18 pm

indiansfan wrote:Damn you Omaha. I've been sitting in Gallegos all day!
Ha, it seems like you and I are always vying for the same players in the draft and FA and whatnot. Great minds think alike and all that.

I don't love Gallegos, but he can at least do a poor impression of a bad LF which is more than I can say for the rest of the comparable bats.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by bcslouck » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:19 pm

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indiansfan wrote:Yep, many don't even have a position rating. Could be just too young and they will bump. Almost no college kids this year.
I wonder if there was some sort of bug with that, along the lines of the feeder leagues not playing this year.


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Makes sense. No game reps at the positions for some of these guys.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by felipe » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:47 am

Three boring nineteen year olds for Louisville in first two rounds...no stars, but should be three regulars...

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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by indiansfan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:12 pm

Rubaboo wrote:
indiansfan wrote:Damn you Omaha. I've been sitting in Gallegos all day!
Ha, it seems like you and I are always vying for the same players in the draft and FA and whatnot. Great minds think alike and all that.

I don't love Gallegos, but he can at least do a poor impression of a bad LF which is more than I can say for the rest of the comparable bats.
And again in the 3rd! You took Heath. That guy has RP conversion written all over him.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by allenr » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:42 pm

I think at this point I'm kinda down to just auto-drafting. All these guys are fodder and should never see big-league time.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by bschr682 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:45 pm

allenr wrote:I think at this point I'm kinda down to just auto-drafting. All these guys are fodder and should never see big-league time.
a few of them will be big leaguers. Its just impossible to know which ones are going to get crazy development bumps. Although you can make some educated guesses which is why we do let the draft drag on longer.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by allenr » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:48 pm

Well, I mean fair enough, there are always some surprises, but none of these guys really inspire me at all. And I don't think I'm familiar enough with the way OOTP works to make those educated guesses. I mean, enjoy the game obviously, but I'm nowhere near the expert some of you guys are on how all the systems function and interact. Took too long of a break.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by indiansfan » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:53 pm

When it gets to this point I look for good intangibles and certain skills or pitches that a guy throws, but yep it's a crapshoot. The other thing to look at is positions you need in your minor league system, like are you short catchers, etc.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by udlb58 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:33 pm

Well, just took my obligatory soft-tossing SP who probably won't ever have the stuff to make it (Sproule). He'll join the ranks of guys like Fowler, Archer, and Speechley (hopefully he doesn't immediately tank like Speechley.
indiansfan wrote:When it gets to this point I look for good intangibles and certain skills or pitches that a guy throws, but yep it's a crapshoot. The other thing to look at is positions you need in your minor league system, like are you short catchers, etc.
I disagree that it's a crapshoot on if you can find ML quality guys here. Sure, it's a crapshoot on who in these rounds turns into an annual all-star caliber player; but you can certainly find guys to fit roles down here.

Players I've drafted in the 4th Round or later that have legitimate chances of making a BBA roster (without significant bumps):
Jefferson Darcy (4th)
Jorge Luna (4th)
Adam Johnson (4th)
Carlos Fuentes (5th)
Dennie Gestel (5th)
Marc-Andre Poirier (5th)
Eddie Jordan III (6th)
Eduard Menosky (7th)
Donald Harris (8th)
Lester Hall (8th)
Joey Flannery (9th)
Esteban Hernandez (11th)
Cal Crowder (12th)
Artie Archer (12th)
Randolph Webber(12th)
Mark McCray (13th)
Gabriel Everest (15th)
Stéphane Auclair (16th)


There probably isn't an all-star in the bunch, but I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of these 18 end up with more than a year of BBA service time when all is said and done.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by bschr682 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:52 pm

udlb58 wrote:Well, just took my obligatory soft-tossing SP who probably won't ever have the stuff to make it (Sproule). He'll join the ranks of guys like Fowler, Archer, and Speechley (hopefully he doesn't immediately tank like Speechley.
indiansfan wrote:When it gets to this point I look for good intangibles and certain skills or pitches that a guy throws, but yep it's a crapshoot. The other thing to look at is positions you need in your minor league system, like are you short catchers, etc.
I disagree that it's a crapshoot on if you can find ML quality guys here. Sure, it's a crapshoot on who in these rounds turns into an annual all-star caliber player; but you can certainly find guys to fit roles down here.

Players I've drafted in the 4th Round or later that have legitimate chances of making a BBA roster (without significant bumps):
Jefferson Darcy (4th)
Jorge Luna (4th)
Adam Johnson (4th)
Carlos Fuentes (5th)
Dennie Gestel (5th)
Marc-Andre Poirier (5th)
Eddie Jordan III (6th)
Eduard Menosky (7th)
Donald Harris (8th)
Lester Hall (8th)
Joey Flannery (9th)
Esteban Hernandez (11th)
Cal Crowder (12th)
Artie Archer (12th)
Randolph Webber(12th)
Mark McCray (13th)
Gabriel Everest (15th)
Stéphane Auclair (16th)


There probably isn't an all-star in the bunch, but I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of these 18 end up with more than a year of BBA service time when all is said and done.
Seems to me you disproved your own point by posting that list. Nearly all of the players that look interesting at all did bump and I highly disagree that a handful of years of BBA service time on the backend of some losing teams roster equates to not a crap shoot.

The draft as a whole is a crapshoot. All drafts are. Way too many variables including health. You just do everything you can to improve your odds and then you make some animal sacrifices or something and see what happens.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by udlb58 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:13 pm

bschr682 wrote: Seems to me you disproved your own point by posting that list. Nearly all of the players that look interesting at all did bump and I highly disagree that a handful of years of BBA service time on the backend of some losing teams roster equates to not a crap shoot.

The draft as a whole is a crapshoot. All drafts are. Way too many variables including health. You just do everything you can to improve your odds and then you make some animal sacrifices or something and see what happens.
The only guys on that list that have had any significant talent bumps (a point or more of Stuff/Mov/Cont-Con/Pow/Eye) are Harris (velo +5, Mov +1, Con +1), Luna (velo +3), and Archer (velo +7). Darcy and Jordan have had their current abilities slightly surpass their potential, causing the potential to cosmetically go up (3 power to 4 for Darcy, 5 contact to 6 for Jordan).

I agree that finding a top half of the rotation/closer/all-star hitter is a crapshoot after the top 50 picks. Sure, there's risk/uncertainty involved in the draft; hell, there's risk/uncertainty involved with ANY roster move. However, I do think you can have a plan for drafting after round 3 that is substantially better than auto picking. It is very possible to find good depth players (platoon hitters, UTL/defensive subs with capable bats, #5 starters/middle relievers, etc). Plus, guys like the ones listed above are great sweeteners in trades. They can stand out above other 1* players.
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Re: 2030, Ammy Draft Chatter

Post by aaronweiner » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:40 pm

Well, if you're looking to autopick - or not - the clock is now 30 minutes.

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