2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

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2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by RonCo » Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:30 am

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We all understand the point of the platoon advantage, right? Get hold of that, and ride it to total success!

Well, maybe not.

But there is clear value in getting your righthanded batters facing lefties, and vice versa—to the degree that you have decent hitters, anyway. Scrubs don’t suddenly start to club doubles right and left simply because they face the opposite hand more often. Same goes for pitchers, too, of course—but with the opposite polarity.

In the old days I used to do various studies simply to see if the game had splits “properly” coded. That time is mostly passed. OOTP has been pretty good about this on the whole for a very long time. But now I like to do it to give me an idea of exactly how strong the advantage has actually been in play. How much value am I getting by hunting that handedness advantage?

After size weeks, we have a little grub to work with, so why not?

Let’s see how important the platoon advantage has been through mid-May.

As of May 8th, there have been over 40,000 plate appearances in BBA games. Here are the results of those plate appearances based on whether the pitcher or batter held that platoon advantage (note that, naturally, switch hitters always hold the platoon advantage):

StatAdv BAdv PTotal
PA219101835740267
AB200261690136927
1B330728776184
2B10588491907
3B11882200
HR6565401196
CI527
E201199400
BO283058
FC161632
FO5548470210250
GO511044949604
K397931107089
HBP9394187
BB164212842926
IBB9334127

Here’s how that breaks out into classical stats:

AdvantageBABIPBAOBPSLGOPS
B.291.257.318.420.737
P.287.257.314.413.727
ALL.289.257.316.417.733

So, there we have it. Of most intellectual interest is that, despite there being a .004 BABIP advantage to holding the platoon advantage, that isn’t translating into batting average. At least not yet. Even at 40K plate appearances, one can argue that in context of the league’s surroundings, the sample size has not stabilized. I’m not smart enough to figure that out, so take it for what it is. There is also the weather effect to take into account. Offense will tend to heat up was the weather does.

But the rest of the data shows that platoon advantage is filtering through OBP, and into SLG, and therefore, into OPS, at about a .010 advantage.

My gut reaction is that this is a little less than I was expecting.

Again, though, we’re only six weeks into the season.


Batter Data

Here’s some more interesting information, too. Let’s look at how batters of various flavors (RHB, LHB, Switchies) are doing against pitcher handedness:

Batter Vs.BABIPBAOBPSLGOPS
LHB.296.262.323.432.756
L.285.248.309.393.702
R.300.266.328.444.772
RHB.288.257.316.415.731
L.288.254.318.413.731
R.288.259.315.416.731
SHB.282.245.302.390.693
L.258.237.295.396.691
R.292.248.305.388.693
Total.289.257.316.417.733

Interstinger and interestinger.

Note that, at present, our RHB are faring just about as well against RHP as they are Lefties (or are doing equally poorly against LHP as they are against Righties. LHB are, as one would expect, are getting kicked in the teeth by LHP, but are your best bet against Right handed tossers.

Then we come to the very interesting case of switchies.

Switch hitters are, on the whole, just not capable of much umpf. Their sub .700 OPS is the weakest of the bunch. But look at those splits. That’s interesting. Switch hitters hitting right handed are several points higher in the OBP category, while losing out in the Slugging category.

Not sure what to make of it all, but’s fun to think about.


Team Data

And, finally, here is one more chart full of information about our teams. Specifically, how often are we enjoying the platoon advantage.

Bat TeamPABP%Adv
Calgary Pioneers127793234573.0%
Rocky Mountain Oysters124080143964.6%
Chicago Black Sox122376845562.8%
Boise Spuds126178447762.2%
Phoenix Talons133182350861.8%
Bikini Krill121174047161.1%
Jacksonville Zombies121272348959.7%
Charm City Jimmies126174451759.0%
Madison Wolves122771950858.6%
Las Vegas Hustlers132376555857.8%
Long Beach Surfers123771352457.6%
Louisville Sluggers125071653457.3%
Montreal Blazers121869652257.1%
Valencia Stars122869952956.9%
Omaha Cyclones128171057155.4%
San Antonio Outlaws127069657454.8%
Yellow Springs Nine122467055454.7%
Twin Cities River Monsters125166958253.5%
New Orleans Crawdads125166858353.4%
Mexico City Aztecs128667661052.6%
Portland Lumberjacks124065059052.4%
Atlantic City Gamblers126464761751.2%
Sacramento Mad Popes131866665250.5%
Austin Shredders130365165250.0%
Des Moines Kernels122360162249.1%
Nashville Bluebirds124060763349.0%
San Fernando Bears131864567348.9%
Vancouver Mounties125060564548.4%
Charlotte Flyers126858168745.8%
Cape Fear Swamp Foxes130559670945.7%
Brooklyn Robins127754773042.8%
Hawaii Tropics126843383534.1%

Calgary leads the league in platoon advantage by a considerable distance. Followed by Rocky Mountain, Chicago, and Boise.

Hawaii’s hitters have faced the disadvantage more often than any other team, followed by Brooklyn, Cape Fear, and Charlotte.

Again, what does it mean? I don’t know. I suppose it says something about roster construction, and possibly game strategy employed by our managers. But you tell me.

Here’s the same data by pitching team:

Pitch TeamPABP%Adv
New Orleans Crawdads126656470255.5%
Portland Lumberjacks125456169355.3%
Jacksonville Zombies127458469054.2%
Brooklyn Robins130760770053.6%
Vancouver Mounties126659866852.8%
Valencia Stars128460767752.7%
Bikini Krill121557963652.3%
Phoenix Talons128463764750.4%
Charlotte Flyers125262862449.8%
San Fernando Bears126263462849.8%
Hawaii Tropics127864563349.5%
Chicago Black Sox121862359548.9%
Montreal Blazers121663058648.2%
Twin Cities River Monsters125365659747.6%
Madison Wolves125265959347.4%
Des Moines Kernels123264958347.3%
Austin Shredders133873360545.2%
Louisville Sluggers125069056044.8%
Rocky Mountain Oysters123469653843.6%
Atlantic City Gamblers123069753343.3%
Calgary Pioneers122970252742.9%
Omaha Cyclones127273054242.6%
Cape Fear Swamp Foxes125673552141.5%
Nashville Bluebirds117869648240.9%
Long Beach Surfers127375651740.6%
Yellow Springs Nine126475750740.1%
Boise Spuds129778051739.9%
Charm City Jimmies125575749839.7%
Sacramento Mad Popes123877146737.7%
Mexico City Aztecs133784649136.7%
Las Vegas Hustlers129382746636.0%
San Antonio Outlaws127990737229.1%
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by Krathan » Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:51 am

This is interesting. I’m curious about the switch hitter thing. I wonder who the switch hitters are. Is it possible that a lot of them are weaker hitters playing premium defensive positions?
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by Krathan » Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:58 am

Another interesting thing related to switch hitters: My best hitter so far this season has been my only switch hitter, Jose Bedreddin. He’s hit out of his mind vs RHP (1.115 OPS) while being merely good against LHP (.797 OPS).
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by BaseClogger » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:39 am

I’d be curious to see how effective those teams are with the platoon advantage too. It’s not good enough just to get yourself in that position if your players aren’t splitty (as your first set of data demonstrates). I thought I’d fair a little better with the hitters but having two RHH catchers is a huge disadvantage here. Based on how light hitting catchers are around the league I don’t sweat that.
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by RonCo » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:58 am

Krathan wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:58 am
Another interesting thing related to switch hitters: My best hitter so far this Hayward has been my only switch hitter, Jose Bedreddin. He’s hit out of his mind vs RHP (1.115 OPS) while being merely good against LHP (.797 OPS).
Here are the top ten switch hitters in my data set by OPS. Note that only two of them -- Bedridden and NSH's Carter Cramer -- are getting serious reps:

IDBatterBatTeamPABABIPBAOBPSLGOPS
60521Kazunari ChikafujiCCJ38.360.361.395.7781.173
66761Enrique GalvánAUS33.333.357.455.6431.097
57722Carter CramerNSH137.305.320.365.7271.092
56730Isoruko TakimotoJAX48.471.409.458.6141.072
73173José BedreddinCHA136.408.325.375.6511.026
61718J.R. AndersonSA38.391.333.421.576.997
38419Asil ÇölasanYS929.300.308.379.615.995
65659Juan RangelRMO37.200.258.378.581.959
55851Ryan GeauxinueBOI57.370.364.386.545.931
68206Gerardo RuízMAD20.273.250.400.500.900
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by RonCo » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:02 pm

There are 32 switch hitters with 100 or more PA so far this season, here they are: (note how many are sub-.700 OPS)

IDBatterBatTeamPABABIPBAOBPSLGOPS
70573Craig WilliamsSAC163.388.309.356.395.751
60634Bane McCoyCCJ153.248.250.314.479.792
50790Rich DaresPHX149.278.240.336.310.646
56656Richard VernonCPF146.333.269.329.351.680
67567Leo HollenbeckMAD145.300.256.359.352.711
62679Resurrection Santos IIICLG141.327.308.362.523.885
66055Roberto HamptonLV138.274.238.319.361.679
57722Carter CramerNSH137.305.320.365.7271.092
73173José BedreddinCHA136.408.325.375.6511.026
60363Mike McClureBIK136.298.233.272.403.675
65144Koray KapkinVAL135.366.286.333.405.738
66184Bülent KazazCLG135.295.256.304.413.717
65509Mitch WarehamHAW135.283.252.296.402.698
70343Justin VaiveCLG134.321.239.321.359.680
71248Lúcio GuevaraRMO131.258.252.321.454.774
56652Amphibian JohnsonSAC/VAN131.292.248.282.344.626
58914Shane HolmesRMO126.176.160.294.349.643
66341Kata IshibashiBIK126.232.227.270.370.640
72314Fadeuka HadonovVAN122.299.275.287.358.645
61851Keith WilliamsBIK119.261.205.235.286.521
55532Steveland MorrisLBC118.247.225.263.369.632
72365Pedro VargasLBC117.352.306.342.477.819
72270Masakado MatsunagaDM116.284.284.328.523.851
59077Artus KihlstedtNO112.275.221.330.326.657
68439Çelik LüfiCLG109.214.182.257.333.590
76722José JacksonLOU108.284.275.315.549.864
42756Calvin JohnsonOMA108.333.279.296.394.691
66593Haydar SyedaAUS108.219.180.287.292.579
62505Jesús RomeroVAL107.218.194.252.296.548
55976Sammy McNeillPOR107.200.188.234.277.511
61219Carlos MarcillasTWC105.224.205.333.432.765
55671Julius LewisSA101.214.163.228.207.434
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by Bob Breum » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:25 pm

Many switch hitters have a serious platoon factor. I always check that whenever I am considering a player who switch hits. More often than not, they favor batting from the left side, which is obviously preferable.
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by RonCo » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:44 pm

Per our discord chat, here is the same base data for last year (2061):
SplitsBABIPBAOBPSLGOPS
LHB.295.260.323.428.751
vs RHP.297.263.330.440.770
vs LHP.286.250.304.394.697
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R.294.261.321.418.739
vs LHP.295.261.326.425.750
vs RHP.294.261.318.415.733
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S.293.253.319.395.714
vs. LHP.288.250.313.393.706
vs. RHP.295.254.321.396.717
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Grand Total.294.260.321.419.740

So, RHB did exhibit strong splits against the platoon advantage--but not in BABIP & Batting average. Again, its all in OBP and slugging, but that advantage is roughly the same as the gap in splits for LHB. Also, as expected, switch hitters were generally better from the left side of the plate. They were still the "worst" hitters overall...but still better than LHB vs. LHP.

General aside: This seems to me to continue to show that the main reason LHP are so valuable is that they literally destroy LHB. If you are on defense, you 100% want a LHB/LHP matchup. If you are on offence, you 100% want a LHB ve. RHP matchup. The RHB mtchups fit between the two LHB, and basically the switch hitter is mostly valuable (unless you have a "True Switchie" who can hit both ways) to avoid the LHB/LHP matchup.
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by RonCo » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:57 pm

Still, the bottom line is (I think) that while splits for LHB are fairly wide (and the effect of splits is still moderately substantial), based on some data I've seen using older historical data (https://retrosheet.org/Research/SmithD/Platooning.pdf), they should still probably be a little bigger all around.
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by breum » Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:00 pm

Okay but can we get a graph rating wise? I'd wager the platoon factors are minimal in ratings and this is somewhere we need to improve player generation. I am curious though if the ratings differential is larger for power/gap rather than contact. That would be strange to me but would seem to explain your results. Also, per your link, there is basically no platoon factor for righties, which is a problem. Also there is no column listed to show the totals that these numbers are extrapolated from. What is the sample size for each of these groups?

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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by RonCo » Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:04 pm

Yes, the data here suggests that splits for (at least) RHB BABIP/Contact are not strong enough. LHB splits look kind of okay, but could also stand some expansion.

Regarding how the splits look as we can the profile, I will still note that the change in rating spans will directly affect this--especially in the 1-5 range. A 10 raw-point split will show up far less often if the rating bar span is 60 points than it will if that same rating bar is 20 raw points.
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Re: 2062 – Platoon Advantage After Six Weeks

Post by Trebro » Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:05 pm

What this tells me is platoons are generally good but if the platoon made can't hit well enough then it's not necessarily worth it. it's also useful to keep enough good LHP around for matchups.
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