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2041 BBA FARM SYSTEM RANKINGS

Post by RonCo » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:17 pm

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OK, the first batch was screwed up pretty much everywhere. It's been updated...should be right. :)
It’s that time of year, again—mid-June, just after pretty much all our draft picks are signed, time to take a look at farm systems around the league and see what we can see. In the original look, I said things were interesting because the number of prospects has dropped. This is still true, but not to the extent noted before. Our raw numbers of prospects are down, and mostly in the upper ranges (overall prospects drop from 1429 last year to 1371 this year). So we've dropped 50 prospects.

To give you an idea of how different things are, here are the number of prospects at each of the top rating scales:

80 – Was 44, Now 21
75 – Was 18, Now 11
70 – Was 32, now 19
65 – Was 47, Now 25
60 – Was 57, Now 46

So, we've lost 74 "top prospects." Given that our overall number is down 50...well, you can do the math.

I still suggest three things are combined to make this true, but obviously at a smaller level than before:

1) Players graduating: Note that this is a minor league scan. If players are in the bigs, they don’t show up. With the glut of young kids coming up, and with weaker drafts in the interim, we’ll see a reduction of prospects in our systems.
2) The development engine is taking its revenge. We’ve often discussed the fact that the increased talent in the past five years or so would result in more players getting struck down by the development engine. I don’t have definitive data to show how much of an impact this is today, but it seems logical that we’re seeing some impact.
3) The “rescout” in the last update. I admit I have no idea what the numbers were right before the update…but I also didn’t hear major bitching, so I’d guess this impact is minimal.


BNN RANKINGS:

Hawaii continues to be strong in the BNN system rankings, with Boise and Phoenix looking strong.

My carry-over blur on this: “The BNN rankings are suspect for several reasons, not the least of which is because they focus exclusively on what that system considers the top 100 prospects, and because that system’s methodology for determining those top 100 are hidden and often things to be boggled at.”


BBA RANKINGS:

Now we come to the work of this post—that being the deeper-dive that “models” a FanGraphs prospect lists, accounts for system depth by providing a linear weight to players of each overall rating on the 80/20 scale. As with last year, I’ve included prospect down into the “40” rating scale. I think the changes I noted above make this even stronger.

Anyway, as we discussed before, there are still problems with this approach—not the least is that an “80” reliever is probably not really and “80” impact. And it doesn’t weight players by age or level (hence it doesn’t account for development risk)—but then again, as far as we can tell, neither does OOTP’s BNN stuff. Bottom line, though, is that this approach clearly gives a deeper cut on overall value, and on the whole, at least to my eyes, tends to pass the eye test much better.

Moving along now, here’s the raw data:

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READING THE CHART:

As with before, the data is sorted by division and weighted Total System Score (wTot). Each team’s total number of prospects are displayed per rating, then the wTot and the system’s overall ranking. The next two columns (wTop, wTopRk) are the same calculations, but count only prospects rated 60 and higher.

The blue headers are the team’s OOTP/BNN rank and points.

After that are each team’s overall rankings across time—so you can track how a team has moved over the past.


OVERALL ASSESSMENT:

The BBA/Fangraphs system rates the top five systems as:

1. Yellow Springs
2. New Orleans
3. Calgary
4. Phoenix
5. Twin Cities

Ok, us folks in Yellow Springs and New Orleans like these numbers better than the last. Calgary slides in at #3. Phoenix is at #4. Twin Cities, who was a strong number 1 last year, drops to 5th. Still, at the end of the day this is pretty stable from last year--Louisville dropped out of the top 5 (to #9). Phoenix steps in.

I note (and it's obvious looking at the chart at the bottom) that I'd argue New Orleans is stronger than YS9. We win on points because of the middle-zone. New Orleans has an outstanding top end.

BIG MOVERS:

Teams that have improved their systems the most since the past review are:

Charlotte: Was 26, now 13
Phoenix: Was 13, now 4
Boise: Was 22, now 11
Mexico City: Was 27, Now 16
Atlantic City: Was 15, now 6
Seattle: Was 18, now 9
Long Beach: Was 28, now 21
Portland: Was 25, now 19
Nashville: Was 32, now 37

Charlotte's bump from #26 to #13 is the biggest run. Phoenix is next. Atlantic City and Seattle both are on a three-season runs of solid increased rankings.


FALLERS:

As noted last year, this system is a zero-sum game, meaning that for every riser there has to be a faller. Looking at these shows us:

Brooklyn (was 9, now 28)
Madison (was 14, now 30)
Vancouver (was 12, now 23)
Montreal (was 6, now 15)
Valencia (was 15, now 20)
California (was 17, now 22)
Edmonton (was 19, now 24)

Brooklyn, Vancouver, and Montreal dumped a bunch of players into the bigs, so that's probably a piece of this one.


A GRAPHICAL LOOK AT THE RANKINGS

Since it was fun last year, I again charted each teams scores (wTot, wTop) to get a visual feel for where each system really stands. This gives you a cool visual of the separations, and which teams are more top heavy or bottom heavy in the source of their power ranks.

Note in particular how many teams have now moved to a “0” score in wRnkTop—meaning these teams have no players in their system ranked 60 or above.
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Re: 2041 BBA FARM SYSTEM RANKINGS

Post by aaronweiner » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:57 am

One of my favorite features every year.

My fall (and a bit confused as to how Jason Hone doesn't make it on this list) has a lot to do with the fact that at the time, I've called up Danny Leach, Wilson Alomar, and last sim Daniel Pepper, who are three outstanding prospects. And I'm still first in number of players, which has been my primary goal for years.

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Post by 7teen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:49 am

Nice to see Portland making some headway. Even without signing our top pick last season.

Very difficult to get a real gauge on where Portland is in terms of prospect due to the lower end drafts the last two seasons. I just keep telling myself that the pitchers I've drafted, though not studs by previously standard, will be solid if they develop based on what we've seen in recent drafts.
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Post by Fat Nige » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:03 am

Thanks for that Ron, I do enjoy reading the analysis produced by the GM's of this league, however judging by my league history it doesn't seem to have rubbed off on me lol. I thought I was picking up in Cairo but everything's in a tailspin again now.
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Post by Lane » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:28 am

Good stuff Ron. Happy to see LBC moving up. Though I'm not sure why Boise going 27->7 is a bigger mover than LBC going 28->6

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Post by bcslouck » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:15 am

No Shiplack (80) or Akbulut (65)?
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Post by recte44 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:32 am

Alright, we made some nice progress. Was truly nowhere to go but up.

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Post by jleddy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:38 am

Lane wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:28 am
Good stuff Ron. Happy to see LBC moving up. Though I'm not sure why Boise going 27->7 is a bigger mover than LBC going 28->6

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Post by allenciox » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:44 pm

Cool! How hard would this be to apply to UMEBA? I might try it if I know how you calculate things.

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Post by jiminyhopkins » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:16 pm

I must be missing something here. I have two 80s, two 75s, and a 70. No, my system isn't third because BNN is a joke, but it's not 25th either.
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Post by GoldenOne » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:30 pm

Same here - I've got a 75, two 70s, three 65s, and five 50s.
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Post by RonCo » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:37 pm

I'll go back and look at it again.

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Post by RonCo » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:02 pm

Ok...yeah, it was screwed up. So I've gone back and fixed it.

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Post by GoldenOne » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:58 am

That's better. Things are a little bit brighter in Charlotte now vice the last chart. Of course, we'll see a drop next season when those top ranked guys get promoted - unless we have another deep draft or two.
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Post by CTBrewCrew » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:55 am

I’d expect my fall due in larger part to me pulling up all my top prospects to the BBA. starting my rebuild / restocking this year.
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Post by aaronweiner » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:08 am

Well, that's better.

I thought my farm had improved.

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:22 am

mine is bad, but I also called up my 3 top prospects to the BBA this season, which hurts the ranking.
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