Here's some guys that are over the age of 35, and might be destined to join the Hall of Fame someday....
Zebediah "Yahoo!" Williams, SS, Washington Bobwhites
Let's start off with a controversial one right out of the gate. Now, Williams may be the worst hitter to go into the Hall since Willie Mays Hayes, but....
1) He's the MBBA's ALL-TIME LEADER in Stolen Bases.
2) He's got a shitload of Honus Wagner Gloves hanging in his trophy room.
At the end of the day the voters will have to decide if they can put a speed/defense player in the Hall without "tasty counting stats". He's deserving of a spot.
Ken Howell, SP, Washington Bobwhites
Here's a stat for you. No pitcher with 200 wins or more is NOT in the MBBA Hall of Fame. Howell needs 10 more to break that magic number. Even without that he's got a good shot at making it.
Gary Barr, OF, Valencia Stars
Barr was the player that inspired me to write this feature. I was looking through Valencia tonight and noticed Barr...I'd forgotten about him. Teams that aren't written about a lot do a real disservice to a player like Barr, who's now 37 years old but still a top talent. Here's a guy with 430 career HR's and 2943 hits going into the year. He's going to be 450/300 by the end of this year, and how many of you have ever heard of him? First ballot Hall of Famer.
David "Big Papi" Smurf, 1B, Hawaii Tropics
Smurf, 35 years old, will have his entire case riding on a counting stat. No matter how much I hate it, in his case it's probably for the best. See, Smurf is a borderline HOF'er in my eyes, but if he can find a way to jack 60 more dingers before hanging it up to make the magic 500 HR club, he's in. Probably not on the first ballot, but eventually.
John Ross Riles, Jr., SP, Hackensack Bulls
Now at 37 years old, his career is coming to a close. He's a no brainer. With some kind of unexpected resurgence, he has a minor shot at an amazing 300 wins. Still, 269 is a pretty big number as pitchers not named Steve Nebraska go. He's the gold standard of MBBA pitchers (non-robot category).
Shamus "Perfecto" Perfetto, SP, Atlantic City Gamblers
Shamus is kind of a borderline case at this point. If he gets to 200 wins, he'll have a pretty good chance. If not, he'll be in the "Hall of Very Great".
Dave Manzanillo, 1B/IF, Marquette Suns
Dave, despite his 420 career homers, has several things going against his case...
1) People now remember him as a first basemen, though in his day he played a wicked third base (and some second base too).
2) He hasn't even made the 2000 hit club and his chances look pretty bleak right now.
Gabriel "Pretty Boy: Steel, 3B/SS, Marquette Suns
He's an under the radar candidate. How many of you realized that Steel is coming up on 2600 career hits? Probably not many. He's been a plus defender his whole career, plus giving about 20 homers every year to go with his usual .290-ish average. A very good player. If he could get a starting job for a few more years here (which he should be doing), and get to 3000 hits he's a shoo-in. Even so, I'd vote for him as is. Right now. But then again I had the pleasure of having him play for my team, so I can appreciate this particular player more than those who haven't experienced it. In recent years, I can't remember being more shaken up about losing a player than losing Steel to fricking Austin, of all places.
Hayden "Sidd" Finch, SP, Birmingham Bandits
Strange player. On one side, 1.03 career WHIP, 181 wins, good bet for 4000 career strikeouts.
On the other side....532 HOME RUNS ALLOWED. Let that sink in for a second....
WOW.
Donnie Rotten, SS, Seattle Storm
In his day he was one of the best in the business. However, he faded right away upon the restart and thus the meat of his career is in very few voters minds. Stack him up against Steel for a minute. Rotten pales in comparison. His chances don't look great to me.
Best Active Players over 35- Hall of Fame chances?
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I'll start with the guy I'm most familiar with:
J. Ross Riles, Jr.: First ballot. 269 wins right now, 3.02 career ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 111 ERA+
Z. Williams: Yes, eventually. I'm a sucker for recognizing "unglamorous" stats (I the guy who looks for linemen who could make a case for MVPs or Heismans). Besides, he wouldn't be remotely the worst hitter to go in the Hall. That (dis)honor belongs to Hayfu Sobah and Joe Gillstrom. Did those guys die in a plane crash and get sympathy votes?
K. Howell: Not sure if he is first-ballot material, but he may get that treatment. With 200 wins, that sub-3.00 ERA and 1.06 WHIP makes him a lock.
G. Barr: Agreed...first ballot.
D. Smurf: It's one thing for Gillstrom and Sobah to be in with HRs in the 200s, but 400+? You have to recognize that. Maybe make him sweat a year or two for that pedestrian average.
S. Perfetto: A .582 win % and a 3.50 ERA? These are the kind of guys where I start looking at sustained excellence for a period of time (a la Dale Murphy who will probably drop off the MLB HOF ballot next year because he was only outstanding for a 6-year period. Perfetto won the Steve Nebraska award just once and that was 8 seasons ago. No way he makes it.
D. Manzanillo: 400+ homers with an average around .270 has to get him in at some point. He may go down to the wire, but there are only 2 players in the HOF with 400+ homers.
G. Steel: Number of hits gets him in. I don't think he deserves first ballot status, but since I would vote for him right now he might get it.
H. Finch: Number of HRs allowed is a consideration when making a lineup, but not for the HOF when he is most likely going to wrap up with the 2nd most Ks of any pitcher in the Hall. Win % and ERA give me pause.
D. Rotten: Yeah, I don't think he will make the cut (see my Dale Murphy mention above). 400/300 is impressive, but the guy has put in 17 years at the ML level. HOF is for the greatest evers...not a lifetime achievement award.
J. Ross Riles, Jr.: First ballot. 269 wins right now, 3.02 career ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 111 ERA+
Z. Williams: Yes, eventually. I'm a sucker for recognizing "unglamorous" stats (I the guy who looks for linemen who could make a case for MVPs or Heismans). Besides, he wouldn't be remotely the worst hitter to go in the Hall. That (dis)honor belongs to Hayfu Sobah and Joe Gillstrom. Did those guys die in a plane crash and get sympathy votes?
K. Howell: Not sure if he is first-ballot material, but he may get that treatment. With 200 wins, that sub-3.00 ERA and 1.06 WHIP makes him a lock.
G. Barr: Agreed...first ballot.
D. Smurf: It's one thing for Gillstrom and Sobah to be in with HRs in the 200s, but 400+? You have to recognize that. Maybe make him sweat a year or two for that pedestrian average.
S. Perfetto: A .582 win % and a 3.50 ERA? These are the kind of guys where I start looking at sustained excellence for a period of time (a la Dale Murphy who will probably drop off the MLB HOF ballot next year because he was only outstanding for a 6-year period. Perfetto won the Steve Nebraska award just once and that was 8 seasons ago. No way he makes it.
D. Manzanillo: 400+ homers with an average around .270 has to get him in at some point. He may go down to the wire, but there are only 2 players in the HOF with 400+ homers.
G. Steel: Number of hits gets him in. I don't think he deserves first ballot status, but since I would vote for him right now he might get it.
H. Finch: Number of HRs allowed is a consideration when making a lineup, but not for the HOF when he is most likely going to wrap up with the 2nd most Ks of any pitcher in the Hall. Win % and ERA give me pause.
D. Rotten: Yeah, I don't think he will make the cut (see my Dale Murphy mention above). 400/300 is impressive, but the guy has put in 17 years at the ML level. HOF is for the greatest evers...not a lifetime achievement award.
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Re: Best Active Players over 35- Hall of Fame chances?
Also interesting, at least to me, is that he struck out only about 300 times in over 10,000 PAs!!!!recte44 wrote:
Gary Barr, OF, Valencia Stars
Barr was the player that inspired me to write this feature. I was looking through Valencia tonight and noticed Barr...I'd forgotten about him. Teams that aren't written about a lot do a real disservice to a player like Barr, who's now 37 years old but still a top talent. Here's a guy with 430 career HR's and 2943 hits going into the year. He's going to be 450/300 by the end of this year, and how many of you have ever heard of him? First ballot Hall of Famer.
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Re: Best Active Players over 35- Hall of Fame chances?
I have no basis for this theory, but I believe these guys were barnstormers. So their couple of good seasons at the start of the MBBA is what carried them in.bateague wrote:That (dis)honor belongs to Hayfu Sobah and Joe Gillstrom. Did those guys die in a plane crash and get sympathy votes?
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Indeed. They were great players who, when the league started, were already 29-30 years old. So it may appear they were "bad", they weren't. Extrapolate their career numbers over a full career.cramsey51 wrote:I have no basis for this theory, but I believe these guys were barnstormers. So their couple of good seasons at the start of the MBBA is what carried them in.bateague wrote:That (dis)honor belongs to Hayfu Sobah and Joe Gillstrom. Did those guys die in a plane crash and get sympathy votes?
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