Owner cash withdrawals

[kestu]

Looks like a bunch of teams lost money as owner's withdrew cash. Does this get reversed? Or are we down $40M?

[recte44]

It is what it is. It means we have too much money in the system right now.

[Al-Hoot]

1. A 'lil heads up on this would have been nice.

2. This mind-boggling reversal results in the following for rebuilding teams:

Valencia
cash: $15m

Phoenix
cash $25m
(not exactly rebuilding, but certainly now at a disadvantage as compared to other teams)

Louisville
cash $26m !!!!!!!!!!!! (really, I thought the previous cash measure was so that lower-placing teams would not be so cash-strapped)

Omaha
cash $31m

[recte44]

Ill manually reverse these.

[felipe]

Don't be so quick too. Maybe we need some discussion on this...

Isn't it part of the game?

[recte44]

No, somehow the Cash Max number was changed. So, this shouldn't have happened.

[felipe]

Oh...so I'll have more cash....I'd be more excited if there were any decent free agents....or guys inhouse worth signing to lucrative long term deals....or the ability to buy moon-pies...

[agrudez]

So... everyone across the board lost a large chunk of cash on hand? Why is that a problem? Sounds like a good first (baby) step to fixing this league's financial health, personally.

[kestu]

I agree Kyle - but there should be a conversation about it first....and usually you have a year to prepare before changes are made. For example, if there is a cash max of $50M being instituted I would release Noble before it took effect.

I'm open to any conversations about reducing the salary cap and cash max - see what we did in the tmbu a few years ago, but it should be debated first.

[recte44]

For now, I'm just going to put it back.

I have neither the patience nor desire to have another long financial debate. I know what the answer is (I've seen it work in other leagues) and I tried to bring it up a couple times and was shot down.

I will bring it up again, but let's have some harmony for once in an offseason. K?

[kestu]

Ha - sorry I missed those...

For reference, in tmbu we have a salary cap of $85M and a cash max of $20M. We also utilize the new FA compensation model.

Just throwing it out there...

[recte44]

That's not what makes things out of whack. It's a bigger story of a broken OOTP financial system.
Two things need to happen:
1) Individual salary demands of "category players" need to be RAISED in game
2) We need to manually disallow contract extensions except in their free agent year.
This is the most important thing. OOTP allows far too many below market contracts to be signed by arby guys. This limits the FA pool and puts a lot of dead money out there because there's no one to spend it on. This one rule will improve the overall health of this league.

I'd also recommend lowering our cash max again if we do this.

I've said my piece.

[agrudez]

That's not what makes things out of whack. It's a bigger story of a broken OOTP financial system.
Two things need to happen:
1) Individual salary demands of "category players" need to be RAISED in game
2) We need to manually disallow contract extensions except in their free agent year.
This is the most important thing. OOTP allows far too many below market contracts to be signed by arby guys. This limits the FA pool and puts a lot of dead money out there because there's no one to spend it on. This one rule will improve the overall health of this league.

I'd also recommend lowering our cash max again if we do this.

I've said my piece.

Bold=genius. Really disappointed in myself that I didn't think of it, honestly.

[agrudez]

Ha - sorry I missed those...

For reference, in tmbu we have a salary cap of $85M and a cash max of $20M. We also utilize the new FA compensation model.

Just throwing it out there...

Ah, that league is probably on the exact opposite end of the spectrum, though. In the MBBA, cash, cap, etc. means next to nothing. In the TMBU, cash, cap, etc. means more than talent. I love the challenge of it (especially since I took over a crappy team knee deep in debt), but I don't know if I'd ever advocate another league mimicing it, haha.

Of course, those numbers still would be fine here (in fact, they may still be a bit high with the current contract demand settings) since there are no scouting expenditures and such.

[kestu]

That's not what makes things out of whack. It's a bigger story of a broken OOTP financial system.
Two things need to happen:
1) Individual salary demands of "category players" need to be RAISED in game
2) We need to manually disallow contract extensions except in their free agent year.
This is the most important thing. OOTP allows far too many below market contracts to be signed by arby guys. This limits the FA pool and puts a lot of dead money out there because there's no one to spend it on. This one rule will improve the overall health of this league.

I'd also recommend lowering our cash max again if we do this.

I've said my piece.

Isn't #2 related to #1? If you increase the asking price on a per-player basis then the requested extensions shouldn't be as far out of 'whack'....

[felipe]

is now the time and place to ask if anyone wants to go to stats only?

[recte44]

Isn't #2 related to #1? If you increase the asking price on a per-player basis then the requested extensions shouldn't be as far out of 'whack'....

If OOTP worked as intended, sure. However, it continues to make the demands of arbitration year players WAY lower than market value.

[kestu]

Gotcha - what are the salary levels set to in this league? Is it posted somewhere?