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Post by RonCo » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:11 pm

Chris Wilson recently posted a good poll asking people why they post TN. It’s a good question. The poll gave several reasons one might partake, and then left an open “other” category, which I and several other used. A discussion ensued.

I am, of course, the guy who currently administers our participation system. I’m also a league member who leverages that system quite heavily—though no longer always at the very top of the list, which is cool…but I digress. Reading the feedback caused lots of thoughts to swirl.

Things like:
  • People are not posting things they think are fun because they aren’t sure it fits the concept of “Team News.”
  • People are worried their creativity isn’t up to snuff.
  • The “requirements” drive some folks more than others.
  • The ways we communicate have expanded since the early days of the league
None of these are particularly new ideas, but we do have a lot of “new” GMs in the environment who may not have been in previous conversations. So I started thinking more, and the more I thought the more I wanted to put down some general guidelines for how I personally intend to go about counting things up (at least until Matt yells at me, anyway).


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First: A General Guideline. The most important word in the PPT system is Participation. It is my opinion that what we’re looking for is truly that—a community of people who create and give back to the environment with whatever skillsets you have.

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And now, my semi-random thoughts …


On Skills and Joy: While doing podcasts, it is not unusual for someone to bring up the fact that they feel unhappy with their own writing skills. I totally get it. There are many, many people for whom the act of putting their thoughts on the page is not particularly fun—or at least not nearly as fun as they sound inside their head. Add the fact that (leaving me out of the conversation here) there are several really GOOD writers creating content in our league, and you’ve got a situation where the act of writing also doesn’t feel good because we’re comparing ourselves to others.

I think the most important thing about being in an online league, however, should be about the raw enjoyment the league and your team brings to you. So in some ways, then, the writing requirement creates a dilemma. “I love the league and I love my team, but writing makes me uncomfortable, especially since I know I can get kicked out if I don’t do enough.”

If that resonates with you, then please know it’s not a new concern … nor is it a totally unusual one.


On TN Content/Length: I have seen differing opinions in this area over the nearly 20 seasons I’ve been in the league. Some focus on “at least two paragraphs.” Others on whether the time commitment was “worth” the two points. I am, however, the guy who counts these things, and so until I’m not the guy I suppose it’s my view that ends up driving this the most.

And here is my view…

What I care about the most is that you had fun, and that the content is relevant to your team or the league. For example, Randy—another board member—says he’s mostly interested in league-wide things. Cool. Post league-wide content in a TN, perhaps highlighting how it relates to the Bears. I’ll count it either way, though. Randy’s style is all about information. I love it.

Others have noted modern news and conversation is often done in tweet-sized packets. Cool. Go head and blast me off some “tweets” in the TN sections. (there are some fun fake sites out there that will do actual fake tweets and instas and whatnot that some of us are using…knock yourselves out). It might be useful to note that at one point the league gave PPT for actual tweets, but the service fell out of favor. Challenge me. If you get a fun, bite-sized bit of content, feel free to drop it as a TN. Or drop it as a TN and then add a small conversation around it…I don’t know.

My point there is, just have fun with it and I’ll figure out how to count it. Maybe I’ll look at it and say “hey, these four ‘tweet’ TNs add up to a full TN.” Or maybe, as I think Jeffry noted, you could do a “tweet” post and refresh it often…if it got busy, maybe a “tweet” post for every game month—which when added up becomes six TNs…or 12 TNs when spread over the year. No idea what we can come out with, but if you push me hard enough and consistently enough, we can look at wording the constitution differently to support it. So work in good faith and be creative. We’ll figure it out.

Another example: Mike Simon can write, but his obvious passion right now is graphic design. He’s posted a couple draft TNs that are very few words, but nice bits of graphic work. Yeah, I’ll count them. Why? Well … you know, they do say a picture is worth a thousand words, right?

We’ve added bits to allow podcasts about your team as TNs. Have fun. Grab a free anchor account and record some truly rough podcasts bitching about or exalting in the moment. Drop it in you section and make me figure out how to count it.

Shoeless is doing poetry, for cryin’ out loud. So, yeah…

Bottom line: in my opinion, your TN section is your own little slice of BBA heaven to have fun posting content about your team. If you aren’t sure something you have in mind fits, just do it. The worse that can happen is that I’ll discount the “two points.”


On Requirements: Yes, we say you need to hit six TN and twenty points. The twenty points are a rock-solid, easy item to grasp. Given the above conversation, the six TN are squishy. And, really, they always have been. I mean…it’s true that “even a boring TN is worth two points,” right? And it’s true that some TN go a short paragraph and others run for pages.

The litigious lawyers among us (I’m looking at you Shaw and Nathan) will say “six means six” and “TN means TN” and all that. But I am not a litigious lawyer. I am a system engineer who looks at the situation from a viewpoint that says the “requirements” are about staying in “Good standing” with the league, and that “good standing” comes from participation in ways that include—but go further than—exporting.

If a GM does nothing, and misses the requirements, then yes I am going to recommend to the GB and the Commissioner that the GM in question be put on a Bail Out plan, or, if they are already on a bailout plan, that GM might be on the way out. That’s fine. If you don’t have the time to participate, come back when you do.

But if a GM drops 40 “tweet” TNs and I (for whatever totally subjective reason) have assessed their TN value at “4 TN” then I’ll almost certainly suggest that GM is in good standing. Matt and the rest of the board are, as always, free to tell me I’m wrong and go about enacting sanctions, but past history has shown level heads have usually prevailed.

Bottom line: My view is that we need the requirements to be there so that we have a baseline to compare results against. But GMs should really focus on just having fun adding to the world around us, and let that fall where it may.


On Time Sinks: Participation right now is sky-high. Part of that is purely the heat of the moment (I’m writing this in the middle of the Covid-19 Pandemic), and part of it is that we’ve added several newer GMs who are either massively creative, retired and massively creative, and also familiar with newer forms of communication. Just scan the history of the PPT tracker (or my end of year status reports) and you’ll see that, while the Brewster has always been about participation, it has not always seen this level of rabid engagement.

The point here is that sometimes people have time, and other times they do not. My own history varies from as low as 7 TNs in a year, to has high as … well … really high.

Don’t sweat it.

Everyone is different. Sometimes, in fact, when life is hard it’s actually helpful to throw more time into your team. Sometimes it’s not. Don’t worry. Be happy. If life gets hard, do your best.

In these days where we have a lot of high-volume participation going on, I think it’s important to remember there is nothing wrong with simply hitting the “bare minimums.”

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So, there you are. The thoughts of the guy who counts the points. Maybe it will get me fired, eh? But if not, now you know!
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Re: General PPT Ramblings

Post by crobillard » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:37 pm

Nicely said. I agree with all of your points. I've always liked the way you've counted our PPs and I appreciate you doing it.

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Re: General PPT Ramblings

Post by johnd2442 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:41 pm

crobillard wrote:
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Nicely said. I agree with all of your points. I've always liked the way you've counted our PPs and I appreciate you doing it.
I second this emotion. Including with the sentiments that you wrote about, Ron. I know you weren't looking for back slaps, but counting all of those are not easy and it is time consuming. It is a valuable service in what you do and it helps make this universe unique.
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Post by DugoutDesperado » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:50 pm

That was quite an in-depth explanation and background on the topic. Almost feels like I could have earned 2 points for reading it. :)
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Re: General PPT Ramblings

Post by RonCo » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:54 pm

Perhaps stretching too far there, Gregg.
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Post by RonCo » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:55 pm

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Post by shoeless.db » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:59 pm

Shoeless is doing poetry, for cryin’ out loud. So, yeah…
Correction: David Simpson is doing poetry. I just post it.

But, yes to all you said. My participation with team news boils down to how I’m feeling that day. Sometimes it’s just a quick transaction news. Sometimes it’s Popes Playing Pepper. Sometimes I write something thinking It’ll be an every sim feature (they never do). Other times it’s poetry, because, well, I fucking enjoy writing poetry (side note: I fucking hate reading poetry. Seriously, it’s awful.). Still other times it’s just random thoughts.

My only advice is to write team news for yourself and only yourself. Who cares if it’s shit or the next greatest thing after the Twilight series? Enjoy it. You’re the damn GM of a fake internet baseball organization, for crying out loud, ... you’re already at the apex of masculinity and allure.
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Post by DugoutDesperado » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:09 pm

A lot of times the team news I do is some type of information that I want to be able to find easily for off-season activities or for historical tracking purposes albeit there is only 1 season's worth of tracking to date.
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Post by Dington » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:04 pm

I just try to be myself and enjoy my time here. I figure PPT will follow naturally, so I don't stress about meeting any requirements. I really wish I could do a TN every sim, but time/life doesn't always allow, so I'm trying to make sure I get in at least one per real week.
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Post by jleddy » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:05 pm

Good post for new and old alike. But I do want to take the time to thank you for the continuous tracking and updating you do in addition to the incredible podcasts, analysis and the well-oiled machine that is the Yellow Springs team news. Appreciate the "sweat equity" (pulled that one right out of the ol' Ron Dictionary) you put into the participation point system.
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Post by johnd2442 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:11 pm

DugoutDesperado wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:09 pm
A lot of times the team news I do is some type of information that I want to be able to find easily for off-season activities or for historical tracking purposes albeit there is only 1 season's worth of tracking to date.
Just out of curiosity, I've read this from others about the historical tracking aspect. What kinds of things do you like to track for historical purposes?
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Post by DugoutDesperado » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:17 pm

johnd2442 wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:11 pm
DugoutDesperado wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:09 pm
A lot of times the team news I do is some type of information that I want to be able to find easily for off-season activities or for historical tracking purposes albeit there is only 1 season's worth of tracking to date.
Just out of curiosity, I've read this from others about the historical tracking aspect. What kinds of things do you like to track for historical purposes?
Snapshots of individual ratings (e.g. my Under the Microscope series). I track the ratings and what not in an excel file typically but I do a lousy job of saving different versions of that file to see whose ratings are getting better and whose are getting worse.
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Post by johnd2442 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:19 pm

DugoutDesperado wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:17 pm
johnd2442 wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:11 pm
DugoutDesperado wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:09 pm
A lot of times the team news I do is some type of information that I want to be able to find easily for off-season activities or for historical tracking purposes albeit there is only 1 season's worth of tracking to date.
Just out of curiosity, I've read this from others about the historical tracking aspect. What kinds of things do you like to track for historical purposes?
Snapshots of individual ratings (e.g. my Under the Microscope series). I track the ratings and what not in an excel file typically but I do a lousy job of saving different versions of that file to see whose ratings are getting better and whose are getting worse.
Ah, some more of the BBA I have yet to discover with your Under the Microscope. I try to keep up with most of the BBA team news writeups, but sometimes they are tough to keep up with! That's really smart that you track the ratings in an excel file. I imagine when I get up to speed with OOTP and get more used to things, that is something I'd like to play around with.
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Post by DugoutDesperado » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:22 pm

johnd2442 wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:19 pm
DugoutDesperado wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:17 pm
johnd2442 wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:11 pm


Just out of curiosity, I've read this from others about the historical tracking aspect. What kinds of things do you like to track for historical purposes?
Snapshots of individual ratings (e.g. my Under the Microscope series). I track the ratings and what not in an excel file typically but I do a lousy job of saving different versions of that file to see whose ratings are getting better and whose are getting worse.
Ah, some more of the BBA I have yet to discover with your Under the Microscope. I try to keep up with most of the BBA team news writeups, but sometimes they are tough to keep up with! That's really smart that you track the ratings in an excel file. I imagine when I get up to speed with OOTP and get more used to things, that is something I'd like to play around with.
Well, you are talking to the GM of a 30-55 team so take it for what it is worth. ;)
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Post by Fat Nige » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:16 am

I've always liked to track the minors so my TN's quite often feature them. It tracks the players history, the ones that regularly feature in TN's but flame out in AAA and one day just get a one line "today released . . ." or perhaps the one added as an afternote through the years that becomes a BBA cornerstone.

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Post by JimBob2232 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:25 am

RonCo wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:54 pm
Perhaps stretching too far there, Gregg.
What if we upvote it :)

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Post by GoldenOne » Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:25 am

shoeless.db wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:59 pm
Shoeless is doing poetry, for cryin’ out loud. So, yeah…
Correction: David Simpson is doing poetry. I just post it.

But, yes to all you said. My participation with team news boils down to how I’m feeling that day. Sometimes it’s just a quick transaction news. Sometimes it’s Popes Playing Pepper. Sometimes I write something thinking It’ll be an every sim feature (they never do). Other times it’s poetry, because, well, I fucking enjoy writing poetry (side note: I fucking hate reading poetry. Seriously, it’s awful.). Still other times it’s just random thoughts.

My only advice is to write team news for yourself and only yourself. Who cares if it’s shit or the next greatest thing after the Twilight series? Enjoy it. You’re the damn GM of a fake internet baseball organization, for crying out loud, ... you’re already at the apex of masculinity and allure.
This......minus the poetry stuff, writing or reading.
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Re: General PPT Ramblings

Post by 7teen » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:29 am

Well said Ron....

I've considered another poll about TNs as well in regards to how do people feel when they do them and get no feedback.

Do people care? Does that deter sometimes.

I spent most of my day Sunday (during my boredom) catching up on a lot of forum reading and TNs especially. I hadn't read most of the posts over the last week + and tried to make a point of commenting on at Least one TN in everyone's forum that had an update recent. I didn't get to everyone's but did a lot.

There have been times Ive written what i felt was a creative TN and got no responses and felt bummed. I also write the sim reports and get no response and that's fine because I do that more for me, as we've said get a feel for my team, and just earn points with a recap. If I do a minor league report I know in my mind it probably won't get much read or comments in return and that's good as well. But wonder what others feel on that is.
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Post by Spiccoli » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:42 am

I have to admit... writing TN's have been more fun this season.

It got a little old writing about how the team sucked, fans wanted my head and the owner hated me for the last few seasons.
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Post by johnd2442 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:58 am

7teen wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:29 am
Well said Ron....

I've considered another poll about TNs as well in regards to how do people feel when they do them and get no feedback.

Do people care? Does that deter sometimes.

I spent most of my day Sunday (during my boredom) catching up on a lot of forum reading and TNs especially. I hadn't read most of the posts over the last week + and tried to make a point of commenting on at Least one TN in everyone's forum that had an update recent. I didn't get to everyone's but did a lot.

There have been times Ive written what i felt was a creative TN and got no responses and felt bummed. I also write the sim reports and get no response and that's fine because I do that more for me, as we've said get a feel for my team, and just earn points with a recap. If I do a minor league report I know in my mind it probably won't get much read or comments in return and that's good as well. But wonder what others feel on that is.
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