2023, Doubleday Series Chatter

[mrbornac]

Since I can't see the boxscore, I am going to make a few assumptions, but give this some thought.

2 outs, bottom of the 9th, Vegas pitching, Atlantic City batting.

Catcher Lewis Stephens gets on base with a ground ball deep in the hole behind 1st base. He does this with a run speed of 2, and is sitting on 1st.

After fouling off the first 2 pitches back, the batter, Manuel Garcia, takes 3 balls, and then doubles to defensive semi-wizard Gilberto Pacheco, who can't even get the ball in for a throw before a slow-ass catcher scores from first? Sure, his range is ONLY 7, but the guy is a 10 RFer (again, whatever that is worth) and he has a rocket for an arm. He also is not slow, so to think, he can't even get to the wall to pick up the ball and make a throw home before a snail scores from first.

[JimBob2232]

Damn, what a game 7! Indy scores 2 in the bottom of the 9th to tie and 1 in the 10th to win.

Awesome series, Jim!

Depends on perspective I guess

I wouldnt expect anything but a good series between two FL rivals...but I wish the outcome was different.

Best of luck in the Landis!

[c-mitch]

cliche's ootp magic is unbelieveable

[agrudez]

Best of luck in the Landis!

Does that count as bulletin board material for ac?

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[recte44]

This was a brutal series for vegas. We gave it away.

[bschr682]

This was a brutal series for vegas. We gave it away.

Honestly these past few years make me really question OOTP sometimes. The talent you have had on that team and to keep getting jilted out of the playoffs is just absurd.

[agrudez]

This was a brutal series for vegas. We gave it away.

Honestly these past few years make me really question OOTP sometimes. The talent you have had on that team and to keep getting jilted out of the playoffs is just absurd.

It's not really an OOTP thing, but rather a baseball thing. Why someone thought a 7 game sample size was more meaningful than 162 is beyond me. Additionally, baseball is the only 1 of the 4 sports that is played dramatically different in the playoffs than the regular season - shortened rotations, more liberal bullpen usage (both made possible by extra days off between playoff games that they don't get during the regular season), etc.

[Ted]

It's not really an OOTP thing, but rather a baseball thing. Why someone thought a 7 game sample size was more meaningful than 162 is beyond me .

I love to hear this from someone else. This is why I'm fairly anti any extended playoff format, wild cards, etc. I'd love to go back to 4 teams, or even two in the playoffs, but of course you'd have to balance the schedule.

It also is the reason why I laughed whenever someone made the argument that a playoff system is a better decider of who the best team in college football is. That demonstrates an appalling lack of understanding fundamental statistics. I get that playoffs are exciting, but single game elimination means very little. Again, a reason I don't give two shits about March Madness (aka March randomness or March gambleness)

[Ted]

It's not really an OOTP thing, but rather a baseball thing. Why someone thought a 7 game sample size was more meaningful than 162 is beyond me .

I love to hear this from someone else. This is why I'm fairly anti any extended playoff format, wild cards, etc. I'd love to go back to 4 teams, or even two in the playoffs, but of course you'd have to balance the schedule.

It also is the reason why I laughed whenever someone made the argument that a playoff system is a better decider of who the best team in college football is. That demonstrates an appalling lack of understanding fundamental statistics. I get that playoffs are exciting, but single game elimination means very little. Again, a reason I don't give two shits about March Madness (aka March randomness or March gambleness)

Could also go with "March exploitationess"

[agrudez]

I love to hear this from someone else. This is why I'm fairly anti any extended playoff format, wild cards, etc. I'd love to go back to 4 teams, or even two in the playoffs, but of course you'd have to balance the schedule.

I have a weird position on this subject because I recognize that playoffs are in at least 2 of the 4 sports (football and baseball) rather poor barometers for crowning the "best team"; however, as a fan I still much prefer them to the regular season. I also really like the extension of baseball's playoff format because everyone's team stays relevant longer - making for more exciting trade deadlines, August/Septembers, etc. If we simply crowned the 162 regular season best record as champ - how many teams REALLY would've still been in the mix back in August, July or even June? You almost *need* the random element to keep casual fans interested.

That all said; however, this is one of the many instances that equating OOTP to real life may not make sense. Just because TV execs and owners of billion dollar franchises require artificial mechanisms to keep people interested in handing them money throughout larger portions of the season than they otherwise may have been does not necessarily mean that we should blindly follow a flawed model in a medium that has no interest in such things.

[cheekimonk]

If you're going to have playoffs, which is beyond debate in America at least, I don't see a better way than the 7-game series. It's enough to stretch beyond each team's top 2 pitchers and test their vRHP & vLHP lineups. I think the toss-up that is the 3-game set is good motivation for teams to win their division and avoid the WC. I also like the home-and-home aggregate series used by MLS up until the Cup (which, for ratings and drama purposes, pretty much has to be a 1-game affair with the opportunity for PK shootouts). As for the one major sport that uses all elimination games, I don't see how NFL players could survive more than one game per week which doesn't leave much room for anything else.

As for March Madness, just like bowl games it's 100% structured for $$. Given that goal, and that the NCAA has handed everything over to TV networks, it's wildly successful.

[Ted]

Statistically speaking, seven games isn't nearly a large enough sample size to determine the difference between two good teams. That being said, it really is the best option, and it IS fun.

I think Kyle raised some really good points though about how all the days off make pitching management during the playoffs completely different than during the regular season. Don't know if it's better or worse. Interesting though.

[agrudez]

As a team with of the best 3 or so #5s in the league it is a pretty big advantage to my opponents that we don't need to have a 5v5 match. Heck, a brave soul may be able to do a 3 man in the playoffs... it makes for completely different roster construction methods for regular and post season success

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[cheekimonk]

As a team with of the best 3 or so #5s in the league it is a pretty big advantage to my opponents that we don't need to have a 5v5 match. Heck, a brave soul may be able to do a 3 man in the playoffs... it makes for completely different roster construction methods for regular and post season success

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9-game series? 11?


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[agrudez]

The more the better from a sample size perspective, but simply eliminating off days every 2 games would fix my last post

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[Chey]

I like playoffs because they're exciting. They don't always name the genuinely "best" team, but there's a reason nobody buys a cable package to watch Tallest Man Championships.