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2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by recte44 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:26 pm

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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by CTBrewCrew » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:04 pm

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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by RonCo » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:14 am

Happy to see the Italian and Pineda made the ROY ballots. Odd that Aaron Stone did not make the catcher Puckett list.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by jleddy » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:41 pm

RonCo wrote:
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Happy to see the Italian and Pineda made the ROY ballots. Odd that Aaron Stone did not make the catcher Puckett list.
Ouch...that's an oversight as I would have voted for him for sure. Ideally, catchers would have a lower PA threshold to make the ballot.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by 7teen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:18 pm

jleddy wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:41 pm
RonCo wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:14 am
Happy to see the Italian and Pineda made the ROY ballots. Odd that Aaron Stone did not make the catcher Puckett list.
Ouch...that's an oversight as I would have voted for him for sure. Ideally, catchers would have a lower PA threshold to make the ballot.
Same for Hedde Veenman. Not that he was better than Stone but was probably ballot worthy.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by udlb58 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:15 pm

Soooo, Zuniga tops French in nearly every single offensive category, yet French has TWICE the first place votes Zuniga does?! Uh, whaat? Both had a .410 OBP, Zuniga winds up with 104 extra base hits, and smashes French in SLG, OPS, wOBA, and wRC+. Counting stats more your thing? Well, Zuniga had 200+ hits, 45+ 2B, 55+ HR, 125+ RBI and 115+ R!! Basically, French hit for a higher average, stole 30+ bases (very inefficiently I might add), and played a slightly above average center field.

Zuniga put up the 5th highest slugging % in the 70+ year history of the BBA, the highest slugging % in 36 years! His OPS is 10th best in league history, just 0.005 behind Fernando Moreno's amazing 2031 season and the 2nd best OPS in 34 years. He was 0.001 away from a top 20 wOBA season in BBA history. And it isn't like he hit for all that power while hitting .270 or anything. Zuniga finished 4th in the entire BBA with a .352 average and over 200 hits.

Arguably one of the 5 best seasons a hitter has had in the past THIRTY YEARS (behind Gillstrom '30 & '31, Moreno '31, Escobar '29) and he's going to lose the Silk in a landslide?

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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by jleddy » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:27 pm

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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by shoeless.db » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:01 am

After voting, I like to look at the results to see how well I did. I was a solid B student this year.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by RonCo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:25 am

The Zuniga/French voting is interesting because it can be seen as answering the question of whether the award is about offensive prowess or overall value. On a raw plate appearance basis, Zuniga wins (his wRC+ of 185 is, as Tyler says, amazing), but French's 165 is also blisteringly good and his defense is just enough above average that he wins the WAR game by a score of 8.3 to 7.4.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by RonCo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:39 am

Norm McConnell/Curt Phillips for FL Egan is another interesting one. Phillips is arguably head and shoulders stronger by FIP/ERA/BABIP/(K/BB), but McConnell has the saves (41-36)...so one can argue that VODAK's presence on the roster cost Phillips so strongly that not only did he lose to McConnell, both NSH's Ata and TWC's Woodside out-scored him in the voting.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by jleddy » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:38 am

RonCo wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:25 am
The Zuniga/French voting is interesting because it can be seen as answering the question of whether the award is about offensive prowess or overall value. On a raw plate appearance basis, Zuniga wins (his wRC+ of 185 is, as Tyler says, amazing), but French's 165 is also blisteringly good and his defense is just enough above average that he wins the WAR game by a score of 8.3 to 7.4.
Also brings into question whether Zuniga was more valuable on a playoff team than French on a sub-70 win team.

I usually vote by WAR on these types of awards and my French homerism really made it easy. If it was any other player on a non-playoff team, I'd probably flip the votes and give the nod to Zuniga with the WAR leader receiving 2nd place.

I actually brought up this scenario near the end (or maybe after the recording) of a Frontier Roundup with Brett and Fred, asking "Do you guys factor in intangibles into your votes, like feel-good-stories, impact towards making playoffs, etc.?"
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by jleddy » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:38 am

shoeless.db wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:01 am
After voting, I like to look at the results to see how well I did. I was a solid B student this year.
I give your B 1.5 stars.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by shoeless.db » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:10 am

jleddy wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:38 am
shoeless.db wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:01 am
After voting, I like to look at the results to see how well I did. I was a solid B student this year.
I give your B 1.5 stars.
Funny. That's more than I give your season...
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by jleddy » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:48 pm

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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by RonCo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:06 pm

I was interested to see how voting was going to break on my two pitchers - Ramos and Valle. I honestly wasn't sure how to vote between them...not to mention the Gracia/Sanchez/Tchekanov/Lima gang in there.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by drummerJ99 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:05 pm

Forgive me if this is called out somewhere, couldn't find it. Are UMEBA Gm's suppose to vote for BBA?

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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by usnspecialist » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:09 am

drummerJ99 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:05 pm
Forgive me if this is called out somewhere, couldn't find it. Are UMEBA Gm's suppose to vote for BBA?
both leagues can vote for the other yes.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by RonCo » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:48 am

jleddy wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:38 am
I actually brought up this scenario near the end (or maybe after the recording) of a Frontier Roundup with Brett and Fred, asking "Do you guys factor in intangibles into your votes, like feel-good-stories, impact towards making playoffs, etc.?"
It was a good conversation. I like to think I start with the numbers, then adjust for the stories. I figure these things are for who had the best season, which is sometimes the same and sometimes different than who had the best numbers.

I think if this in light of things like Andre Dawson's MVP season. Whiie his numbers were very good, I'm not sure they were really the best. But lay the story of his season over the top of it, and you've got something that makes the game special.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by StormZ_23 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:21 pm

Well I appreciate the votes for GM of the year. Definitely don’t deserve the first place votes though.
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Re: 2040, Award Voting Chatter

Post by jleddy » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:23 pm

StormZ_23 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:21 pm
Well I appreciate the votes for GM of the year. Definitely don’t deserve the first place votes though.
Fine, I'll change my vote. :)
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