Trade Blocks Shouldn't Be Public Forums Where Anyone Can Respond

[aaronweiner]

I don't know if there's a setting for this, but I think trade blocks should not have an opportunity for people to reply, either on Discord or on the forums. This seems even more reasonable than completed trades forums, because they are trades that have not happened yet. They should be made read-only.

Barring that, there should be limits on decorum in other people's trade blocks; a reply of "PM sent" or "contacted you on Discord" does seem acceptable.

This was made clear to me by my most recent interactions on the Trade Block forum. People aren't posting their trade blocks to have people comment on the players' usefulness (or ffs, their own morality). It's unwanted and unwarranted interference on other people's trades, which makes it a competitive balance question.

This extremely unusual event is so obviously out of bounds and so rare that I think it should be completely disallowed. The rule won't affect most people, but it is damaging when it happens. I propose a $1 million in-game fine for anyone who does this, followed by $5 million the second time, followed by $10 million the third time. Fourth time is a warning and $20 million. The fifth time is expulsion from the league. (I feel like 5 times is a pretty long lead up to that.)

Just to get to absurdum est, you are dually informed that if some version of this rule is not instated, I will write a feature on every trade block henceforward roasting them and slandering every player on every trade block.

After all, it's a public forum, and there shouldn't be limits on that at all, right?

[niles08]

Even though I find the last part extremely funny and almost want to not support this just to see the roast and slander moving forward, I would support this rule, specifically on the forums and in the trade block spot on discord as it clogs down the trade block channel.

I think Discord is for chat...and I suppose Discord in the "general" channel is up in the air as to what can be discussed if it wanted to be discussed.

[aaronweiner]

Even though I find the last part extremely funny and almost want to not support this just to see the roast and slander moving forward, I would support this rule, specifically on the forums and in the trade block spot on discord as it clogs down the trade block channel.

I think Discord is for chat...and I suppose Discord in the "general" channel is up in the air as to what can be discussed if it wanted to be discussed.

I agree with this. But I don't think we should be having discussions on other people's trade blocks at all. Discussions of trades seems totally appropriate, but the blocks are literally lists of players.

What is the point of going into people's trade blocks and telling them their players are crap? I have trouble seeing the social value in this, and it interferes with their ability to make deals.

[recte44]

@Lane

[recte44]

This is why we have Trade Block on StatsPlus. In fact, I think the forum Trade Block is now obsolete.

[aaronweiner]

This is why we have Trade Block on StatsPlus. In fact, I think the forum Trade Block is now obsolete.

Can't argue that. This rule should also apply to Discord. I don't see why anyone should talk about anyone's trade block at all, but if it must happen, it definitely shouldn't happen right below the list of players that makes up a trade block.

[ae37jr]

I kinda agree. You shouldn't shit on people's blocks. I think we all know going in that 99% of the players on the block are on there because they have flaws. Pointing them out can turn political. Like one team posts a block and a portion of the league tries to sabotage them.

Just to get to absurdum est, you are dually informed that if some version of this rule is not instated, I will write a feature on every trade block henceforward roasting them and slandering every player on every trade block.

This part I am all in favor of. A reoccurring league feature where you rip apart each and every player on the trade block... double PP for that. at least you are not singling out one team.

[BaseClogger]

Can you roast me regardless? Single best way to get better.

[Dington]

I support this.

[JRamirez]

I kinda agree. You shouldn't shit on people's blocks. I think we all know going in that 99% of the players on the block are on there because they have flaws. Pointing them out can turn political. Like one team posts a block and a portion of the league tries to sabotage them.

Has that ever happened?
I doubt it would.
Meanwhile, I gave my honest assessment of a player on a trade block. It wasn't a list of players. It was the same guy on a second "block" in two days.
If a publicly-posted trade block can't receive replies, I think that is absurd and ridiculous. But the more ridiculous the reply the more likely other GMs are going to ignore it.
What do we have to do now? Create a league chatter post and discuss players who are for trade? Can we do that, or is that muzzled too? People shouldn't be so thin skinned. And if you don't understand a word, there's always the dictionary.

[aaronweiner]

Meanwhile, I gave my honest assessment of a player on a trade block. It wasn't a list of players. It was the same guy on a second "block" in two days.

The fact that you're willing to use yourself as an example is noble, sir. Most people would have not done that.

You gave a negative assessment of my player directly under the trade block post. Nobody asked you. I actually have NO IDEA why you posted it.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the reason why you felt your comment was necessary, and why further comments in that vein would be a positive thing.

Finally, since I'm a math teacher, I will happily tell you that lists can be one player, or even zero players. Education is good! Google it if you don't believe me, but a zero-person list would be "I am not interested in trading anyone at this time."

[JRamirez]

Meanwhile, I gave my honest assessment of a player on a trade block. It wasn't a list of players. It was the same guy on a second "block" in two days.

The fact that you're willing to use yourself as an example is noble, sir. Most people would have not done that.

You gave a negative assessment of my player directly under the trade block post. Nobody asked you. I actually have NO IDEA why you posted it.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the reason why you felt your comment was necessary, and why further comments in that vein would be a positive thing.

Finally, since I'm a math teacher, I will happily tell you that lists can be one player, or even zero players. Education is good! Google it if you don't believe me, but a zero-person list would be "I am not interested in trading anyone at this time."

Aaron, I gave my honest assessment. You keep characterizing it as negative. But if that's how you evaluate my comment on a 36yo platoon dh, so be it.

I support the free speech of offering and posting individual (as opposed to group) comments on players on trade blocks. I think it's a needed thing. For one, it can offer as a stimulant for further polite conversation –unless one or more posters let loose a string of F words. Second, and this doesn't directly apply here, we all usually over value our own players. Allowing neutral comments / evaluations on players can serve as a counter point to the hooey that some people post. If people are gonna post hooey, I would like the right to respond with a counter point, what could serve as a corrective. Again, that doesn't apply to the bin Husam trade block, but it applies otherwise.

Thanks for teaching me about lists.

[BaseClogger]

I just wanna talk about the BBA.

[aaronweiner]

Aaron, I gave my honest assessment. You keep characterizing it as negative. But if that's how you evaluate my comment on a 36yo platoon dh, so be it.

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If people are gonna post hooey, I would like the right to respond with a counter point, what could serve as a corrective. Again, that doesn't apply to the bin Husam trade block, but it applies otherwise.

So you felt that it was in the best interest of the league to make sure that nobody responded to my trade block - a "corrective?" Do I have that right? Because it clearly did apply to the bin Husam trade block, because you did that exact thing.

I'll let others decide whether this is a reasonable motive. My opinion is that I think this is one of the most powerful things anyone could have written to reinforce my point, so thank you for the help.

[aaronweiner]

I just wanna talk about the BBA.

I didn't want any of this. But here we are.

[Jwalk100]

I make my own evaluations of players in private or with my wife. She just nods her head and rolls her eyes,.

[Trebro]

This is why we have Trade Block on StatsPlus. In fact, I think the forum Trade Block is now obsolete.

Agreed. I love forum interaction but I never check the block here and haven't used it for several seasons now.

[Trebro]

I make my own evaluations of players in private or with my wife. She just nods her head and rolls her eyes,.

The cat tree is set up next to my laptop so my number one consultant is the middle aged reverse tuxedo cat. She bites me when she disagrees.

[jiminyhopkins]

I love when a rule is proposed and then is backed up by threats if its not adopted. Awesome stuff!

[aaronweiner]

I love when a rule is proposed and then is backed up by threats if its not adopted. Awesome stuff!

Not a threat! Just trying to fit in.

Of course, if you see it as a threat, you also made my point.