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Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047
This is a companion to the position players version of this list here and pitchers here, and represents a combined ranking of the 2 lists. I will also be mentioning where each year ranks in the sub-categories in each post Some notes as a refresher below.
-WAR and WAR alone is used for this. While you can argue about how accurate WAR is, it provides a consistent and uniform measure for comparison
-There is no subjectivity in this list, the rankings are purely objective based on the simple formula that I came up with (explained below)
-Each class is broken down into 6x categories, each of which covers a 10 WAR span minus the top one (20 WAR, 30 WAR, 40 WAR, 50 WAR, 60 WAR, 70+ WAR). 20 WAR was used because that is a reasonable cutoff for a solid career, and 70 was the high end because once you get to that point you are a very likely Hall of Famer and going much higher would distort the numbers too much.
-Formula: 20 WAR= 1 Point, 30 WAR= 2 points, 40 WAR=3 points, 50 WAR=4 points, 60 WAR=5 points, 70+ WAR=6 points. Each player only counts for their final total (i.e if you get 45 WAR, you only get 3 points, you don't get the points for passing 20 and 30 WAR).
-Ties were broken by the year with the most total 20+ WAR players, followed by the highest category of WAR total (NOT the individual point total within that category)
-Every player with 20+ WAR or the top 10 (whichever is more) is listed for each class
-I included every class from 1973-2047, even though the newer classes still have people piling up totals so this list will change
-All data is through the end of the 2047 season.
I will list all players over 20 WAR or the top 10 (in the case of those without 10 players over 20).
A notes on the WAR used here. For the hitters I used HTML data due to some discrepancies discovered with stats+ data. For the pitchers unfortunately they do not list WAR for each pitchers and I am not going through 4545 individual player pages to get the WAR for them, so we are going to use stats+ for them.
-WAR and WAR alone is used for this. While you can argue about how accurate WAR is, it provides a consistent and uniform measure for comparison
-There is no subjectivity in this list, the rankings are purely objective based on the simple formula that I came up with (explained below)
-Each class is broken down into 6x categories, each of which covers a 10 WAR span minus the top one (20 WAR, 30 WAR, 40 WAR, 50 WAR, 60 WAR, 70+ WAR). 20 WAR was used because that is a reasonable cutoff for a solid career, and 70 was the high end because once you get to that point you are a very likely Hall of Famer and going much higher would distort the numbers too much.
-Formula: 20 WAR= 1 Point, 30 WAR= 2 points, 40 WAR=3 points, 50 WAR=4 points, 60 WAR=5 points, 70+ WAR=6 points. Each player only counts for their final total (i.e if you get 45 WAR, you only get 3 points, you don't get the points for passing 20 and 30 WAR).
-Ties were broken by the year with the most total 20+ WAR players, followed by the highest category of WAR total (NOT the individual point total within that category)
-Every player with 20+ WAR or the top 10 (whichever is more) is listed for each class
-I included every class from 1973-2047, even though the newer classes still have people piling up totals so this list will change
-All data is through the end of the 2047 season.
I will list all players over 20 WAR or the top 10 (in the case of those without 10 players over 20).
A notes on the WAR used here. For the hitters I used HTML data due to some discrepancies discovered with stats+ data. For the pitchers unfortunately they do not list WAR for each pitchers and I am not going through 4545 individual player pages to get the WAR for them, so we are going to use stats+ for them.
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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T73) 0 Points: 2047
Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Ken Sparks | 2047 | 2047 | 5.29 | NO |
SP | Loan Duval | 2047 | 2047 | 4.79 | NO |
SP | Ken Arroyo | 2047 | 2047 | 4.49 | NO |
RP | Todd Stone | 2047 | 2047 | 4 | NO |
SP | Chris Thompson | 2047 | 2047 | 3.12 | NO |
2B | Pete Brace | 2047 | 2047 | 2.90 | NO |
RF | Martin Hemming | 2047 | 2047 | 2.80 | NO |
CF | Luis Manuel Alonzo | 2047 | 2047 | 2.80 | NO |
RP | Damian Taylor | 2047 | 2047 | 2.44 | NO |
SP | Adrian Custello | 2047 | 2047 | 2.43 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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T73) 0 Points: 2046
Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Dave Corfield | 2046 | 2047 | 10.16 | NO |
C | Ichizo Sugiyama | 2046 | 2047 | 9.60 | NO |
SP | Kyle Smallwood | 2046 | 2047 | 8.05 | NO |
SP | Phil Cole | 2046 | 2047 | 7.55 | NO |
SP | Steve Warren | 2046 | 2047 | 6.29 | NO |
SP | Peter Dean | 2046 | 2047 | 5.9 | NO |
RP | Jay Hodge | 2046 | 2047 | 4.19 | NO |
SP | Thomas Turner | 2046 | 2047 | 4.01 | NO |
SP | Seth Harris | 2046 | 2047 | 3.82 | NO |
RP | Juan Martinez | 2046 | 2047 | 3.69 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047
T73) 0 Points: 2045
Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Bernie Stuart | 2045 | 2047 | 12.2 | NO |
RP | Derrick Chaney | 2045 | 2047 | 11.04 | NO |
SP | Barney Lindsay | 2045 | 2047 | 9.02 | NO |
SP | Nathaniel Davis | 2045 | 2047 | 6.7 | NO |
SP | Juan MarroquIn | 2045 | 2047 | 6.68 | NO |
SP | Matt McCartney | 2045 | 2047 | 6.3 | NO |
SP | Warren Moore | 2045 | 2047 | 6.12 | NO |
SP | Scott Davis | 2045 | 2047 | 5.9 | NO |
3B | Roberto Rivera | 2045 | 2047 | 5.60 | NO |
SP | Edward Crutcher | 2045 | 2047 | 5.56 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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72) 2 Points: 2044
Batting: 70
Pitching: 70
2x Total: 2x 20 WAR
Batting: 70
Pitching: 70
2x Total: 2x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Bill Constable | 2044 | 2047 | 23.1 | NO |
3B | Luis Mendoza | 2044 | 2047 | 20.50 | NO |
SP | Don Jaramillo | 2044 | 2047 | 16.21 | NO |
3B | Mal Fountain | 2044 | 2047 | 12.90 | NO |
RP | Carlton Casson | 2044 | 2047 | 12.78 | NO |
SP | Gusby Pinkerton | 2044 | 2047 | 12.5 | NO |
1B | Tim Battle | 2044 | 2047 | 11.80 | NO |
SP | Amos Swallows | 2044 | 2047 | 11.02 | NO |
CF | Frederick Brisset | 2044 | 2047 | 9.80 | NO |
RF | Jose Romero | 2044 | 2047 | 9.30 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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71) 4 Points: 2043
Batting: 71
Pitching: 67
3x Total: 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
Batting: 71
Pitching: 67
3x Total: 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Ruben Vazquez | 2043 | 2047 | 30.42 | NO |
SP | Francisco Franco | 2043 | 2047 | 21.66 | NO |
RP | Carlos Flores | 2043 | 2047 | 20.64 | NO |
SP | Dave Lee | 2043 | 2047 | 19.11 | NO |
1B | Wilson Estrada | 2043 | 2047 | 17.50 | NO |
1B | Chris Mann | 2043 | 2047 | 15.70 | NO |
3B | Alfonso Trinidad | 2043 | 2047 | 14.30 | NO |
SP | Felipe Guevara | 2043 | 2047 | 12.42 | NO |
RP | Luis Manuel Rodriguez | 2043 | 2047 | 11.64 | NO |
CF | Arvin Duggan | 2043 | 2047 | 10.60 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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70) 9 Points: 2042
Batting: 61
Pitching: 72
7x Total: 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
Batting: 61
Pitching: 72
7x Total: 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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1B | Larry Stinson | 2042 | 2047 | 36.30 | NO |
CF | Juan Donestevez | 2042 | 2047 | 34.30 | NO |
1B | Manny Collazo | 2042 | 2047 | 25.70 | NO |
1B | Carlomaria Donadoni | 2042 | 2047 | 24.20 | NO |
RF | Pedro Bustamante | 2042 | 2047 | 23.90 | NO |
LF | Jim Ashford | 2042 | 2047 | 20.60 | NO |
RF | Donald Miller | 2042 | 2047 | 20.20 | NO |
3B | Alfredo Rosas | 2042 | 2047 | 19.80 | NO |
CF | Omer Dijkstra | 2042 | 2047 | 18.40 | NO |
SS | Pepe Espinosa | 2042 | 2047 | 18.00 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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69) 9 Points: 2004
Batting: 69
Pitching: 60
7x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
Batting: 69
Pitching: 60
7x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Jim Schmidt | 2004 | 2016 | 64.37 | NO |
RF | Richard Wilcox | 2004 | 2013 | 27.80 | NO |
3B | Duncan Harvey | 2004 | 2016 | 26.90 | NO |
SP | Will Craig | 2004 | 2018 | 23.76 | NO |
SP | Johnny Carter | 2004 | 2013 | 22.97 | NO |
3B | Shawn McClure | 2004 | 2017 | 22.50 | NO |
1B | Stephen Lubin | 2004 | 2012 | 21.10 | NO |
SP | Jared Dorsey | 2004 | 2019 | 19.69 | NO |
RF | Ignacio Ramos | 2004 | 2018 | 17.50 | NO |
SS | Paco Torres | 2004 | 2016 | 17.00 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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68) 12 Points: 2009
Batting: 67
Pitching: 66
6x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
Batting: 67
Pitching: 66
6x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Antonio Rodriguez | 2009 | 2026 | 51.89 | NO |
1B | Bob Ritchie | 2009 | 2023 | 39.00 | NO |
2B | Eric Thorne | 2009 | 2021 | 37.70 | NO |
RF | Bob White | 2009 | 2023 | 35.60 | NO |
CF | Jose Cruz | 2009 | 2020 | 24.90 | NO |
SP | Sheng Yen | 2009 | 2024 | 23.02 | NO |
SP | Joe Miller | 2009 | 2020 | 18.96 | NO |
RF | Todd Clay | 2009 | 2023 | 16.70 | NO |
LF | Harvey Newton | 2009 | 2021 | 15.20 | NO |
SP | Don Miller | 2009 | 2020 | 12.92 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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67) 13 Points: 1980
Batting: 63
Pitching: 65
8x Total: 1x 40 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
Batting: 63
Pitching: 65
8x Total: 1x 40 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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2B | Anthony Walker | 1980 | 1993 | 43.70 | NO |
CF | Joey Beggiani | 1980 | 1991 | 37.30 | NO |
RP | Denny Wegman | 1980 | 1995 | 35.96 | NO |
SP | Lewis Bauder | 1980 | 1993 | 32.47 | NO |
RP | Jerry Neal | 1980 | 1993 | 27.31 | NO |
LF | Glenn Miller | 1980 | 1993 | 25.50 | NO |
C | Sang Lim | 1980 | 1991 | 20.70 | NO |
3B | Joe Kyle | 1980 | 1991 | 20.40 | NO |
C | Ray Lewis | 1980 | 1991 | 13.80 | NO |
RF | Liam Carr | 1980 | 1989 | 13.80 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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66) 14 Points: 2006 (1x HOF)
Batting: 58
Pitching: 69
6x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 2x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
Batting: 58
Pitching: 69
6x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 2x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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2B | Eric Martin | 2006 | 2018 | 54.70 | YES |
C | Chuck Bowers | 2006 | 2020 | 46.00 | NO |
SP | Morgan Ackerman | 2006 | 2022 | 44.40 | NO |
SS | Orlando Alejo | 2006 | 2019 | 30.40 | NO |
CF | Bart Lavigne | 2006 | 2019 | 26.70 | NO |
RF | Pat Curry | 2006 | 2018 | 22.50 | NO |
3B | Arturo Martinez | 2006 | 2016 | 17.80 | NO |
1B | Orlando Chavez | 2006 | 2014 | 17.30 | NO |
RP | Jonathan Sorensen | 2006 | 2024 | 16.72 | NO |
RF | Austin Gibson | 2006 | 2020 | 16.60 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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65) 15 Points: 2038
Batting: 62
Pitching: 61
10x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 7x 20 WAR
Batting: 62
Pitching: 61
10x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 7x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Danya Tchekanov | 2038 | 2047 | 52.08 | NO |
RF | Mike Campbell | 2038 | 2047 | 39.90 | NO |
SP | Zak Johnson | 2038 | 2047 | 31.73 | NO |
RF | Millard Younger | 2038 | 2047 | 29.50 | NO |
SP | Jim Armstrong | 2038 | 2047 | 29.18 | NO |
CF | Kidane Ata | 2038 | 2047 | 28.70 | NO |
CF | Po-sin Shi | 2038 | 2047 | 25.10 | NO |
LF | Anastasio Lopez | 2038 | 2047 | 22.70 | NO |
2B | Edgardo Encarnacion | 2038 | 2047 | 21.70 | NO |
CF | Dan Flores | 2038 | 2047 | 21.20 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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64) 17 Points: 2036
Batting: 59
Pitching: 64
8x Total: 2x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 3x 20 WAR
Batting: 59
Pitching: 64
8x Total: 2x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 3x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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2B | Angel Zalapa | 2036 | 2047 | 57.90 | NO |
3B | Steven Collins III | 2036 | 2047 | 52.50 | NO |
RF | Ramon Pagan | 2036 | 2047 | 36.90 | NO |
SP | Stephen Taub | 2036 | 2047 | 34.11 | NO |
SP | Jose Martinez | 2036 | 2047 | 31.07 | NO |
3B | Ross Quicker | 2036 | 2047 | 29.00 | NO |
SP | Luther Summers | 2036 | 2045 | 28.37 | NO |
SP | Luis Rojas | 2036 | 2047 | 22.92 | NO |
1B | Yunosuke Terada | 2036 | 2045 | 19.90 | NO |
2B | Miguel Rodriguez | 2036 | 2046 | 19.90 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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63) 17 Points: 2035
Batting: 65
Pitching: 51
9x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
Batting: 65
Pitching: 51
9x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Carlos Valle | 2035 | 2047 | 64.15 | NO |
3B | Quant Kouros | 2035 | 2047 | 42.70 | NO |
3B | Juan Mendoza | 2035 | 2047 | 32.30 | NO |
SP | Knud Zeitler | 2035 | 2047 | 30.95 | NO |
RP | Manuel Andres | 2035 | 2046 | 29.50 | NO |
SP | Hao Kun | 2035 | 2047 | 26.75 | NO |
SP | Alejandro Ramirez | 2035 | 2046 | 23.12 | NO |
LF | Luis Costello | 2035 | 2047 | 22.50 | NO |
LF | Virgil Shafer | 2035 | 2042 | 21.10 | NO |
2B | Keith Dean | 2035 | 2046 | 19.50 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047
62) 21 Points: 1988
Batting: 60
Pitching: 49
8x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
Batting: 60
Pitching: 49
8x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Williamson Prushnok | 1988 | 2004 | 62.97 | NO |
1B | Flavio Luna | 1988 | 2002 | 61.80 | NO |
SP | Felix Pan | 1988 | 1999 | 43.20 | NO |
1B | David Smurf | 1988 | 1999 | 39.30 | NO |
SP | Santos Vazquez | 1988 | 1997 | 31.76 | NO |
1B | Akiru Matsumoto | 1988 | 2000 | 30.10 | NO |
2B | Tommy Corcoran | 1988 | 1998 | 25.60 | NO |
SP | Daniel Kinard | 1988 | 2000 | 25.39 | NO |
LF | Hernando Padillo | 1988 | 1999 | 17.50 | NO |
LF | Carmelo Murillo | 1988 | 1995 | 16.50 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047
61) 23 Points: 2007
Batting: 54
Pitching: 55
10x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 3x 40x WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
Batting: 54
Pitching: 55
10x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 3x 40x WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SP | Esteban Benitez | 2007 | 2025 | 56.65 | NO |
LF | Billy Beauford | 2007 | 2023 | 48.70 | NO |
SP | Jason Brooks | 2007 | 2024 | 45.21 | NO |
LF | Ed Mansfield | 2007 | 2020 | 41.10 | NO |
C | Ron Lipp | 2007 | 2024 | 38.30 | NO |
SS | Alonso Rodriguez | 2007 | 2020 | 38.00 | NO |
SP | Russell Martin | 2007 | 2019 | 37.97 | NO |
3B | Armando Rosales | 2007 | 2019 | 37.40 | NO |
RF | Lee O'Herlihy | 2007 | 2020 | 28.50 | NO |
3B | Ruben Venegas | 2007 | 2018 | 22.00 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047
60) 23 Points: 2023 (1x HOF)
Batting: 55
Pitching: 52
10x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
Batting: 55
Pitching: 52
10x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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1B | Cisco Guerrero | 2023 | 2040 | 69.80 | YES |
3B | Mark Dempsey | 2023 | 2039 | 63.40 | NO |
SP | Jesus Tonche | 2023 | 2037 | 47.99 | NO |
SP | Miguel Datiz | 2023 | 2034 | 39.19 | NO |
SP | Rick Ward | 2023 | 2035 | 33.91 | NO |
SP | Mario Mendez | 2023 | 2036 | 30.26 | NO |
3B | Atilio Seabra | 2023 | 2035 | 27.10 | NO |
CF | Jorge Martinez | 2023 | 2035 | 26.00 | NO |
SP | Chester Kipling | 2023 | 2033 | 21.59 | NO |
LF | Juan Cruz | 2023 | 2034 | 20.00 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047
59) 23 Points: 2024 (2x HOF)
Batting: 48
Pitching: 61
10x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 60 WAR, 1x 50x WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
Batting: 48
Pitching: 61
10x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 60 WAR, 1x 50x WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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CF | Alfredo Martinez | 2024 | 2041 | 74.70 | YES |
1B | Gervasio Ridder | 2024 | 2040 | 65.70 | YES |
SP | Jose Chavez | 2024 | 2038 | 54.53 | NO |
SP | Tavio Ciccolella | 2024 | 2039 | 38.44 | NO |
3B | Holden Blackwell | 2024 | 2037 | 27.20 | NO |
CF | Francisco Flores | 2024 | 2036 | 26.60 | NO |
C | Sam Adams | 2024 | 2035 | 26.40 | NO |
SS | Paul Backstrom | 2024 | 2036 | 26.20 | NO |
3B | Luke Jordan | 2024 | 2035 | 23.00 | NO |
SP | Gerardo Castillo | 2024 | 2035 | 20.38 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047
58) 23 Points: 2026 (3x HOF)
Batting: 57
Pitching: 46
12x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 7x 20 WAR
Batting: 57
Pitching: 46
12x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 7x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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SS | Jared Gillstrom | 2026 | 2043 | 113.40 | YES |
SP | Lawrence Columbus LaLoosh | 2026 | 2039 | 53.53 | YES |
SP | Jody Nunez | 2026 | 2037 | 34.54 | NO |
SP | Antonio Correa | 2026 | 2036 | 33.89 | NO |
1B | Dusty Rhodes | 2026 | 2042 | 31.90 | YES |
SP | Jorge Ortiz | 2026 | 2037 | 28.92 | NO |
RF | Steve Dempsey | 2026 | 2042 | 25.70 | NO |
1B | Rupert Grant | 2026 | 2042 | 25.60 | NO |
SP | Alfredo Granados | 2026 | 2036 | 24.87 | NO |
2B | Dave Wilfer | 2026 | 2037 | 24.70 | NO |
SP | Juan Hernandez | 2026 | 2036 | 24.69 | NO |
RP | Esteban Velasquez | 2026 | 2041 | 21.50 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047
57) 23 Points: 2025 (2x HOF)
Batting: 51
Pitching: 56
10x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
Batting: 51
Pitching: 56
10x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITION | Name | FROM | TO | WAR | HOF |
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LF | Alfredo Salazar | 2025 | 2041 | 74.10 | YES |
C | Cisco Arreola | 2025 | 2041 | 71.90 | YES |
SP | Anastasio Quintana | 2025 | 2035 | 34.43 | NO |
LF | Jorge Rodriguez | 2025 | 2041 | 33.60 | NO |
SP | Gerardo Fajardo | 2025 | 2039 | 33.23 | NO |
SP | Mike Bailey | 2025 | 2038 | 30.12 | NO |
CF | Jorge Vargas | 2025 | 2039 | 28.10 | NO |
SP | Marcos Villegas | 2025 | 2040 | 23.74 | NO |
CF | Domenic Wyatt | 2025 | 2039 | 22.90 | NO |
SP | Gabriel Alfonso | 2025 | 2035 | 20.21 | NO |
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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