How to safely transfer folks OFF of ones 40-man roster?

Al-Hoot · Post by **Al-Hoot** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:45 am

Given the length of this sim and the next couple, I assume we can safely transfer players from our forty man roster to OFF our forty man roster (without risking an adverse waiver claim), but keeping them in the minors, to avoid using an option year on these players. I'm talking mainly about players who do not have a major league contract.

What is the proper procedure to do this?

Is it waive and designate for assignment

or just

waive

EDIT: and does this work also for players who have major league contracts (who are playing in the minors)?
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I mean they are already on a minor league team, obviously and I do not want to demote or promote them within the minors.

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:12 am

Once they are on the 40 man roster, you MUST waive them to remove them from it.

Al-Hoot · Post by **Al-Hoot** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:21 am

recte44 wrote:Once they are on the 40 man roster, you MUST waive them to remove them from it.

Okay but is there any difference between Waive Player and Waive Player & Designate for assignment?

And if i waive these guys now, they can't be claimed, I assume, because of the length of the sim.

But I want them to just end up on the minor league club that they are already on, if you need that info for the sim.

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:13 pm

They can be claimed. If they aren't claimed, I just move them to a minor league team.

cheekimonk · Post by **cheekimonk** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:28 pm

Al-Hoot wrote:
recte44 wrote:Once they are on the 40 man roster, you MUST waive them to remove them from it.
Okay but is there any difference between Waive Player and Waive Player & Designate for assignment?

And if i waive these guys now, they can't be claimed, I assume, because of the length of the sim.

But I want them to just end up on the minor league club that they are already on, if you need that info for the sim.

They won't wind up there automatically. They drop off of any roster they are on and go to your "Waivers & DFA" screen. Once they clear waivers (that screen tells you how many days they have left) then you need to do these steps in this exact order:

(The player's name will appear in the Waivers window and the Designated for Assignment window...)
1. Right-click on his name in the Designated for Assignment window and choose Transaction -> and then the team you want to place him on.
2. The left click on his name in the Waivers window and drag him off the bottom of the screen

**I say do it in that order because there is a bug that persisted to v12 (for some reason) where if you remove a player from the Waivers screen first, the game engine assumes that he hasn't cleared waivers and you can't put him on a roster...so you have no choice but to send him back through.

Al-Hoot · Post by **Al-Hoot** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:30 pm

recte44 wrote:They can be claimed. If they aren't claimed, I just move them to a minor league team.

I was thinking that they could not be claimed by a human-controlled team, because the waiver period will be over before the end of the sim.

Edited: But I guess an AI-controlled team could be the only one who could claim them. If this is correct, are there any AI-controlled teams that can claim them, either MBBA or EBA? (I forget whether EBA can claim MBBA players off of waivers.)

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Anyway, if that is correct, than I'll forget about this idea. But I don't see how we can safely move players off the secondary roster. Which could be problematic: for instance, if we sign two more draft picks that demand ML contracts, then they will take up 40-man roster spots =and= also burn option years without a chance that they will actually play on the ML team, because they are not talent-ready.

And PS--Ben thanks for that info!

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:51 pm

There is no safely removing them from the 40 man roster, ever. There is always risk involved in removing a player from the 40 man roster.

IF this wasn't the case, you could protect whoever you wanted all the time and hoard players. It's the basics of the "why" behind a 40 man roster.

blake · Post by **blake** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:18 pm

I think the waiver period is 14 days so if the sim is over 14 days like it will be for Wednesday's sim then we can all sneak players through waivers. It is a loophole in the system if you want to waive players. You just wait until the waiver period is shorter than the sim length.

Al-Hoot · Post by **Al-Hoot** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:24 pm

*sigh*

not really: WHO can claim a waived player when the sim length is longer than the waiver period length? You haven't answered that question.

Because if the sim is longer than the waiver period length, then no human manager can claim a waived player -- unless the simmer is gonna stop the sim to claim him, which would be unfair advantage.

it's only AI-controlled teams that can, when the sim length is longer than the waiver period length.

cheekimonk · Post by **cheekimonk** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:27 pm

Do we even have AI controlled teams? Waivers are there for a reason...in real life and the game. The period after Rule 5 is always the most dangerous because you might have put some borderline guys up there to protect them but now you face waivers. Exciting, no?!?

scottsdale_joe · Post by **scottsdale_joe** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:48 pm

The correct way to avoid playing sneaking through is for the simmer to change the waiver (& DFA) period during the "long sim" offseason so that they are longer than the sim length. That's what most leagues do. I forget whether Matt does this or not.

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:50 pm

Just about to say that. I change the DFA time at the beginning of each sim to prevent "loopholes" of being able to sneak players through waivers if sims are longer than 10 days.

Al-Hoot · Post by **Al-Hoot** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:37 pm

Thanks for the answer.

And yes Ben at least some EBA teams are still AI controlled, I believe. Although I am not sure if they can claim MBBA players on the waiver wire. Or vice versa, whether MBBA teams can claim EBA players on waivers. In this I am pretty sure the leagues are independent. But obviously either league can sign free agents of the other.

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:53 pm

They cannot claim off our waiver wire.

cheekimonk · Post by **cheekimonk** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:30 pm

Al-Hoot wrote:Thanks for the answer.

And yes Ben at least some EBA teams are still AI controlled, I believe. Although I am not sure if they can claim MBBA players on the waiver wire. Or vice versa, whether MBBA teams can claim EBA players on waivers. In this I am pretty sure the leagues are independent. But obviously either league can sign free agents of the other.

They have to "file" to join our league and vice-versa. Think Japanese Pro Ball and MLB.

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