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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
Huh. Still thought the infield defense would be better than it has been. The outfield D has held up nicely despite Rocky missing time twice and last year's LF Zimmer winner going down for a couple weeks.
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
Updated through this sim:
BBA DEFENSE BY PLAYS MADE ABOVE AVERAGE: 8/3/2039
BBA DEFENSE BY PLAYS MADE ABOVE AVERAGE: 8/3/2039
TEAM | GB | FB | LD(IF) | LD(OF) | TOTAL |
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Hawaii Tropics | 42.0 | 1.9 | 1.0 | 1.2 | 46.1 |
Nashville Goats | 11.9 | 20.4 | -1.4 | 13.3 | 44.2 |
Rockville Pikemen | 37.7 | 1.0 | 0.1 | 2.4 | 41.2 |
Mexico City Aztecs | 16.8 | 18.3 | 0.0 | 3.1 | 38.2 |
Charm City Jimmies | 27.4 | 13.7 | 0.7 | -4.7 | 37.1 |
Las Vegas Hustlers | 17.1 | 10.3 | -2.9 | 3.6 | 28.1 |
Jacksonville Hurricanes | -4.3 | 30.1 | 0.0 | 1.4 | 27.2 |
California Crusaders | -0.5 | 25.9 | -1.2 | 1.5 | 25.7 |
Boise Spuds | 15.6 | 11.2 | -1.3 | -0.3 | 25.2 |
Yellow Springs Nine | 32.8 | -16.4 | 0.7 | 4.2 | 21.3 |
Phoenix Talons | -0.4 | 13.6 | -1.9 | 6.0 | 17.3 |
Wichita Aviators | -12.7 | 29.2 | -1.1 | 0.6 | 16.0 |
Brooklyn Robins | 12.0 | -0.3 | 0.9 | 2.6 | 15.2 |
Seattle Storm | 18.6 | -10.4 | -0.1 | 1.1 | 9.1 |
Huntsville Phantoms | -6.9 | -1.4 | -0.7 | 12.9 | 3.9 |
Altantic City Gamblers | -3.4 | 2.4 | 1.2 | -0.8 | -0.6 |
San Fernando Bears | 3.7 | -4.8 | 0.0 | -3.2 | -4.4 |
Des Moines Kernels | 6.5 | -17.5 | 0.9 | 3.3 | -6.7 |
Louisville Sluggers | -8.8 | -6.4 | 1.9 | 3.1 | -10.1 |
Long Beach Surfers | -15.9 | 0.3 | 4.0 | -2.3 | -13.9 |
New Orleans Crawdads | -1.2 | -8.8 | -0.2 | -5.2 | -15.4 |
San Antonio Outlaws | 32.6 | -28.4 | -1.2 | -20.3 | -17.4 |
Montreal Blazers | -17.9 | -11.6 | 0.7 | 1.8 | -27.1 |
Twin Cities River Monsters | -30.0 | -1.3 | 1.1 | -2.2 | -32.4 |
Calgary Pioneers | 3.8 | -28.4 | 0.1 | -10.7 | -35.2 |
Edmonton Jackrabbits | -2.1 | -25.9 | -1.2 | -6.4 | -35.6 |
Vancouver Mounties | -42.7 | 3.1 | -0.6 | 1.3 | -38.9 |
Omaha Hawks | -30.2 | -12.5 | 0.2 | 2.9 | -39.7 |
Valencia Stars | -36.1 | -0.5 | 0.2 | -6.7 | -43.1 |
Madison Wolves | -65.4 | -6.7 | 0.1 | -3.6 | -75.6 |
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
Our fielding data is wonky as all heck right now. The league as a whole has a -248.8 zone rating and outfield assists are off the charts.
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
I thought that with outfield assists. I've had so many. I don't know why my flyball defense so shitty.
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I've said it before...I don't trust that OOTP zone rating is what we think Zone Rating is. I fully admit I don't actually know what OOTP Zone Rating is, and I'm sure it's a "good" metric to use. But I don't trust that language because certain things don't make sense to me when I look under the hood.
One of the things that I like about what I'm doing here is that by definition it's clearly centered on what league average really is.
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Not sure what time period "right now" represents...I know you've got about 15 seasons under your belt and could be providing commentary over the last ten-plus years but both metrics are on par with the last four seasons since the last expansion.
BBA OFA are extremely high compared to MLB but my guess would be the use of game strategy sliders would be one possible reason...potentially teams and/or individual players are forced into being too aggressive on the base paths. I think the bigger "issue" (?) is that there are FIFTY outfielders in the BBA right now with OF arms ranked 10 or higher...and that doesn't count the 20 infielders with 10+ OF arms. That's ridiculous.
As for the zone rating, it obviously extremely skewed because of the pitching ZR...not sure what's going on there but if you disregard that, it seems normal.
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
Right or wrong though... wouldn't you think that in a game that crunches numbers to come up with outcomes... it would use it's own numbers?RonCo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:01 pmI've said it before...I don't trust that OOTP zone rating is what we think Zone Rating is. I fully admit I don't actually know what OOTP Zone Rating is, and I'm sure it's a "good" metric to use. But I don't trust that language because certain things don't make sense to me when I look under the hood.
One of the things that I like about what I'm doing here is that by definition it's clearly centered on what league average really is.
I like all data and looking at things from 100 different angles. It helps in making educated guesses on things not easily visable. So in no way am I knocking or discrediting any of your work. I just wouldn't totally discredit OOTP's numbers in favor of statsplus or your results. Even if it makes absolutely no sense, OOTP's numbers are the only ones with any possibility of impacting the game itself.
Actually I feel PAA and ZR are two completely different things anyway. Which is why I like this. PAA is distinctly about securing outs VS hits. But zone rating could be argued to have more of an impact on cutting balls off in the gap and turning doubles into singles or keeping line drives in the infield rather then going down the line. But like I said. I kinda take everything in for what it's worth and try to come up with a cumulative value.
Just going by game data I could argue that Brooklyn is one of the best defensive teams in the Brewster(#1 in fewest errors, #2 in ZR(Game and Statsplus) and sb%). But seeing PAA shows that there are a lot of plays we could be making and aren't. So I need to figure out what that means. Are we just not clutch defenders? Does the heavy winds at McDermott Park play havoc on flyballs? Or maybe we are just unlucky in that fast runners beat out bang bang plays at first base.
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I don't mean to discredit the game's stat. It's just not quite what I think of when I think of zone rating. Of course, Zone rating is different depending on who is calculating it, I suppose, so ...
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Update this month...
BBA DEFENSE BY PLAYS MADE ABOVE AVERAGE: 8/31/2039
San Antonio...talk about a team of two extremes.
BBA DEFENSE BY PLAYS MADE ABOVE AVERAGE: 8/31/2039
TEAM | GB | FB | LD(IF) | LD(OF) | TOTAL |
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Rockville Pikemen | 44.0 | 10.5 | 0.9 | 4.0 | 59.3 |
Nashville Goats | 9.4 | 36.4 | -1.7 | 14.3 | 58.5 |
Mexico City Aztecs | 20.6 | 25.3 | 1.1 | 4.8 | 51.8 |
Hawaii Tropics | 41.0 | 4.5 | 1.0 | -0.5 | 46.0 |
Jacksonville Hurricanes | 3.7 | 29.4 | -0.2 | 1.0 | 33.9 |
Las Vegas Hustlers | 15.5 | 15.9 | -2.0 | 2.0 | 31.4 |
Phoenix Talons | 4.9 | 25.1 | -3.1 | 4.1 | 30.9 |
Charm City Jimmies | 29.0 | 6.4 | 1.6 | -6.4 | 30.5 |
Boise Spuds | 15.1 | 17.5 | -2.7 | -1.3 | 28.5 |
Brooklyn Robins | 12.7 | 6.7 | 2.4 | 5.5 | 27.3 |
Wichita Aviators | -0.4 | 28.5 | -3.3 | 0.1 | 25.0 |
California Crusaders | 0.1 | 25.4 | -1.3 | 0.6 | 24.8 |
Yellow Springs Nine | 28.0 | -9.5 | 1.8 | 2.6 | 23.0 |
Altantic City Gamblers | -5.0 | 10.4 | 1.8 | 0.0 | 7.3 |
San Fernando Bears | 10.2 | -3.2 | -1.0 | -2.0 | 4.0 |
Huntsville Phantoms | -12.6 | 0.4 | -1.0 | 14.4 | 1.2 |
Seattle Storm | 1.5 | -7.2 | -0.5 | 3.9 | -2.3 |
Des Moines Kernels | 8.8 | -22.0 | 1.8 | 3.0 | -8.4 |
Long Beach Surfers | -11.3 | -1.0 | 4.0 | -2.6 | -10.9 |
Louisville Sluggers | -8.7 | -9.3 | 1.5 | 3.0 | -13.5 |
New Orleans Crawdads | -6.1 | -14.5 | -0.3 | -4.0 | -24.9 |
Montreal Blazers | -22.1 | -9.2 | 0.5 | 0.9 | -30.0 |
San Antonio Outlaws | 32.8 | -46.9 | -0.2 | -20.0 | -34.3 |
Omaha Hawks | -26.7 | -13.4 | 0.9 | 4.5 | -34.6 |
Calgary Pioneers | 9.2 | -32.3 | 0.0 | -12.3 | -35.4 |
Twin Cities River Monsters | -30.4 | -10.9 | 1.2 | -2.4 | -42.5 |
Valencia Stars | -37.9 | -3.5 | 0.3 | -6.2 | -47.3 |
Vancouver Mounties | -50.5 | -3.6 | -0.9 | 0.2 | -54.8 |
Edmonton Jackrabbits | -6.0 | -40.8 | -2.3 | -6.1 | -55.2 |
Madison Wolves | -68.9 | -15.3 | -0.3 | -5.0 | -89.5 |
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
Madison's IF defense is impressively bad.
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I want to see how bad it can get...start Jon Mick at short!
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
Through the end of the season...
BBA DEFENSE BY PLAYS MADE ABOVE AVERAGE: 9/29/2039
BBA DEFENSE BY PLAYS MADE ABOVE AVERAGE: 9/29/2039
TEAM | GB | FB | LD(IF) | LD(OF) | TOTAL |
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Nashville Goats | 7.7 | 46.0 | -1.5 | 16.2 | 68.4 |
Mexico City Aztecs | 25.4 | 34.7 | 0.3 | 5.3 | 65.7 |
Hawaii Tropics | 50.9 | 6.2 | 1.1 | -1.9 | 56.3 |
Charm City Jimmies | 40.1 | 12.4 | 1.7 | -3.4 | 50.9 |
Yellow Springs Nine | 46.2 | -2.1 | 1.7 | 1.2 | 47.0 |
Rockville Pikemen | 32.0 | 6.8 | 0.9 | 5.0 | 44.7 |
Boise Spuds | 15.4 | 22.4 | -1.8 | 0.8 | 36.8 |
Las Vegas Hustlers | 19.0 | 16.3 | -1.9 | 0.5 | 33.9 |
Brooklyn Robins | 1.5 | 11.2 | 3.5 | 10.8 | 26.8 |
Jacksonville Hurricanes | -5.1 | 31.1 | -0.2 | -0.8 | 25.0 |
Phoenix Talons | 4.0 | 19.4 | -4.0 | 5.5 | 24.8 |
Wichita Aviators | -1.2 | 24.8 | -2.1 | 2.3 | 23.8 |
Altantic City Gamblers | -4.1 | 18.1 | 1.9 | 2.5 | 18.5 |
California Crusaders | -16.2 | 24.1 | -1.2 | -1.8 | 4.9 |
Huntsville Phantoms | -7.2 | -11.3 | 0.2 | 18.1 | -0.2 |
San Fernando Bears | 14.7 | -12.3 | -0.9 | -5.1 | -3.6 |
Long Beach Surfers | -12.9 | 9.2 | 4.2 | -6.5 | -6.1 |
Des Moines Kernels | 13.3 | -23.4 | 0.9 | 2.3 | -6.8 |
Louisville Sluggers | 2.2 | -11.3 | -0.8 | 1.3 | -8.6 |
Seattle Storm | 1.2 | -15.3 | -0.4 | 5.7 | -8.7 |
Omaha Hawks | -29.9 | -7.4 | 0.9 | 7.8 | -28.6 |
Montreal Blazers | -16.0 | -12.0 | 0.6 | -1.2 | -28.6 |
New Orleans Crawdads | -20.9 | -15.7 | -0.2 | -0.9 | -37.7 |
Calgary Pioneers | 10.4 | -35.7 | 0.0 | -13.5 | -38.9 |
Twin Cities River Monsters | -34.2 | -10.5 | 1.4 | -2.6 | -45.9 |
Valencia Stars | -31.0 | -9.7 | 0.3 | -8.5 | -49.0 |
San Antonio Outlaws | 33.3 | -58.0 | -0.5 | -25.3 | -50.4 |
Edmonton Jackrabbits | -6.3 | -36.2 | -3.1 | -7.8 | -53.4 |
Vancouver Mounties | -55.0 | -0.6 | -0.8 | 1.0 | -55.4 |
Madison Wolves | -77.2 | -21.4 | -0.1 | -7.0 | -105.6 |
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
Might be the only list you see Nashville at #1 for for a while.
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
Oof. Madison is quite the outlier. Big changes coming soon.
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Looking at the sub-file (in the results package I dropped elsewhere) for Edmonton's outfield says your center field was pretty okay, your left field was 'meh' and your right field was horrible unless the ball was hit right to him.
PLAYS ABOVE AVERAGE BY ZONE
Actually, it looks like your CFs had issues in deep blasts, too.
PLAYS ABOVE AVERAGE BY ZONE
PLAYS | 9L | 9.0 | 89.0 | 8R | 8L | 78.0 | 7.0 | 7L |
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SHALLOW | -1.8 | -2.4 | -4.4 | 1.5 | -1.7 | -0.4 | 2.4 | -3.8 |
MID | -2.8 | 0.4 | -4.7 | 0.4 | 0.5 | -0.6 | -0.4 | -3.5 |
DEEP | 2.3 | -2.1 | -2.5 | -0.8 | 1.3 | -2.3 | -0.4 | -1.2 |
EXTRA-DEEP | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.0 | -6.7 | -2.2 | 1.3 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
That's so interesting. So Mitch Dalrymple is typically in RF. He's been a gold glove fielder for awhile until this year. I have to see if he lumped in defense and I missed it. William Wood is usually in CF. I know he's probably better made for the corners though. Juan Garcia spent nearly all of his games in left. I expected him to have more issues tbh. I think this offseason I'll try to make some changes. Thanks for the breakdown.
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Re: 2039 - BBA PAA
I love having solid defense, almost to a fault. I’ve learned to give and take to get a little more offense if needed, but I love when a guy can glove it.
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