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2012 Hall of Fame Final Tally

Post by jcrmoon42 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:45 pm

Congratulations to the great Rafael "Mash" Rodriguez on his election to the Hall of Fame in his first year on the ballot. The Puerto Rican shortstop fell just 9 hits short of the all-time record but still had some detractors on this ballot as 11 of the 23 voters kept him out of the top spot, including a single voter who placed him 14th on the ballot, probably due to an anti-first year bias.

Dwayne Johnson and Ross White fought it out for second on the ballot with both receiving strong support. Larry Lasalle finished a solid fourth and received three first place ballots. Unfortunately, we must say goodbye to the powerful Dave Manzanillo, who boasted more than 1300 runs and RBI to go with 428 homers, making him the fourth player with that many homers who was eliminated from Hall contention.

23 of the 24 ballots were received. 529 points required for election.

1. Rafael Rodriguez - (1)-12, (2)-4, (3)-1, (4)-2, (5)-1, (7)-1, (8)-1, (14)-1, Total - 737
2. Dwayne Johnson - (1)-4, (2)-2, (3)-2, (4)-4, (5)-2, (6)-2, (7)-1, (8)-2, (9)-1, (10)-2, (11)-1, Total - 477
3. Ross White - (1)-2, (2)-6, (3)-2, (4)-1, (5)-5, (6)-1, (7)-2, (10)-1, (13)-1, (15)-2, Total - 470
4. Larry Lasalle - (1)-3, (2)-2, (3)-1, (4)-6, (6)-1, (7)-2, (8)-1, (9)-2, (10)-1, (11)-1, (12)-1, (15)-2, Total - 419
5. Johnnie Iraq - (1)-1, (2)-1, (3)-3, (4)-2, (5)-1, (6)-2, (7)-3, (8)-1, (9)-4, (10)-2, (11)-2, (12)-1, Total - 358
6. Chip Foodie - (2)-2, (3)-3, (5)-4, (6)-4, (7)-1, (9)-2, (11)-1, (12)-1, (14)-1, (15)-4, Total - 323
7. Dave Manzanillo - (1)-1, (2)-2, (5)-1, (6)-2, (7)-2, (8)-3, (10)-4, (11)-1, (12)-3, (13)-2, (15)-2, total - 305
8. Amen Mitrani - (2)-1, (3)-1, (4)-4, (5)-2, (6)-2, (7)-3, (8)-1, (9)-4, (11)-1, (13)-2, (14)-1, (15)-1, Total - 304
9. Jeff Kiplinger - (2)-2, (3)-2, (4)-1, (5)-1, (7)-1, (8)-1, (9)-2, (10)-2, (11)-4, (12)-3, (14)-3, (15)-1, Total - 287
10. Flavio Luna - (3)-3, (6)-3, (7)-1, (8)-3, (9)-2, (10)-2, (11)-4, (12)-4, (13)-1, Total - 277
11. Ted Dever - (2)-1, (4)-1, (5)-3, (6)-2, (7)-1, (8)-2, (9)-1, (10)-1, (11)-2, (12)-1, (13)-3, (14)-5, Total - 254
12. Niguel Halime - (3)-2, (5)-1, (6)-1, (7)-1, (8)-4, (9)-1, (10)-3, (11)-1, (12)-3, (13)-3, (14)-2, (15)-1, Total - 248
13. Justin Marco - (3)-3, (7)-2, (8)-3, (9)-1, (10)-1, (11)-1, (12)-1, (13)-6, (14)-2, (15)- 3, Total - 238
14. McKinley Washington - (4)-2, (5)-1, (6)-3, (7)-1, (9)-1, (10)-2, (11)-1, (12)-1, (13)-2, (14)-4, (15)-5, Total - 213
15. Christopher Terry - (5)-1, (7)-1, (8)-1, (9)-2, (10)-2, (11)-3, (12)-4, (13)-3, (14)-4, (15)-2, Total - 196

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Re: 2012 Hall of Fame Final Tally

Post by jcrmoon42 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:57 pm

Man, close call between Hackensack and Des Moines for which hat Rodriguez would wear. In the end, I chose Hackensack. The numbers between the two cities were so close, but in the end, his numbers, both totals and averages, were just better in Jersey than in Iowa.

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Re: 2012 Hall of Fame Final Tally

Post by Cliche » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:10 pm

The anti-first year bias thing is just dumb.

But hey at least our voting is better than the horror show that is MLB HoF voting.
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Post by JimBob2232 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:11 pm

I get the anti-first year bias. I am (sortof) one of those guys....but to not rank him the best of the first year guys is just bizarre!

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Post by agrudez » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:33 pm

Chip Foodie must have compromising photos of half the league... its the only explanation.
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Re: 2012 Hall of Fame Final Tally

Post by wualumni » Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:09 pm

Not here; I had Foodie last.
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Post by jcrmoon42 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:28 pm

agrudez wrote:Chip Foodie must have compromising photos of half the league... its the only explanation.
3120 Ks. A 6:1 K:BB ratio. 1.15 career WHIP. Not too shabby 120 career ERA+. Ninth most wins in league history.

I'm not saying he's a shoo-in, but he isn't exactly an embarrassment to the ballot either.

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Post by trmmilwwi » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:31 pm

wualumni wrote:Not here; I had Foodie last.
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Post by mrbornac » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:50 pm

Who the hell would have Mitrani last? frackers.
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Post by jcrmoon42 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:18 pm

mrbornac wrote:Who the hell would have Mitrani last? frackers.
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Post by mrbornac » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:23 pm

nice pun. I am pissed.
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Post by felipe » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:25 pm

wasn't me...I had him 4th

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Post by mrbornac » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:54 pm

felipe wrote:wasn't me...I had him 4th
That is reasonable. Just don't get why some folks had him at the bottom of their ballots.
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Post by njherdfan » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:28 pm

It was strange voting for the HOF when you don't know any of the players, but I think my ballot was pretty similar to the final results. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.
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Re: 2012 Hall of Fame Final Tally

Post by mrbornac » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:26 pm

1. Rafael Rodriguez - (1)-12, (2)-4, (3)-1, (4)-2, (5)-1, (7)-1, (8)-1, (14)-1, Total - 737
2. Dwayne Johnson - (1)-4, (2)-2, (3)-2, (4)-4, (5)-2, (6)-2, (7)-1, (8)-2, (9)-1, (10)-2, (11)-1, Total - 477
3. Ross White - (1)-2, (2)-6, (3)-2, (4)-1, (5)-5, (6)-1, (7)-2, (10)-1, (13)-1, (15)-2, Total - 470
4. Larry Lasalle - (1)-3, (2)-2, (3)-1, (4)-6, (6)-1, (7)-2, (8)-1, (9)-2, (10)-1, (11)-1, (12)-1, (15)-2, Total - 419
5. Johnnie Iraq - (1)-1, (2)-1, (3)-3, (4)-2, (5)-1, (6)-2, (7)-3, (8)-1, (9)-4, (10)-2, (11)-2, (12)-1, Total - 358
6. Chip Foodie - (2)-2, (3)-3, (5)-4, (6)-4, (7)-1, (9)-2, (11)-1, (12)-1, (14)-1, (15)-4, Total - 323
7. Dave Manzanillo - (1)-1, (2)-2, (5)-1, (6)-2, (7)-2, (8)-3, (10)-4, (11)-1, (12)-3, (13)-2, (15)-2, total - 305
8. Amen Mitrani - (2)-1, (3)-1, (4)-4, (5)-2, (6)-2, (7)-3, (8)-1, (9)-4, (11)-1, (13)-2, (14)-1, (15)-1, Total - 304
9. Jeff Kiplinger - (2)-2, (3)-2, (4)-1, (5)-1, (7)-1, (8)-1, (9)-2, (10)-2, (11)-4, (12)-3, (14)-3, (15)-1, Total - 287
10. Flavio Luna - (3)-3, (6)-3, (7)-1, (8)-3, (9)-2, (10)-2, (11)-4, (12)-4, (13)-1, Total - 277
11. Ted Dever - (2)-1, (4)-1, (5)-3, (6)-2, (7)-1, (8)-2, (9)-1, (10)-1, (11)-2, (12)-1, (13)-3, (14)-5, Total - 254
12. Niguel Halime - (3)-2, (5)-1, (6)-1, (7)-1, (8)-4, (9)-1, (10)-3, (11)-1, (12)-3, (13)-3, (14)-2, (15)-1, Total - 248
13. Justin Marco - (3)-3, (7)-2, (8)-3, (9)-1, (10)-1, (11)-1, (12)-1, (13)-6, (14)-2, (15)- 3, Total - 238
14. McKinley Washington - (4)-2, (5)-1, (6)-3, (7)-1, (9)-1, (10)-2, (11)-1, (12)-1, (13)-2, (14)-4, (15)-5, Total - 213
15. Christopher Terry - (5)-1, (7)-1, (8)-1, (9)-2, (10)-2, (11)-3, (12)-4, (13)-3, (14)-4, (15)-2, Total - 196

Rodriguez, Rafael 1 - 1
Mitrani, Amen 2 - 8
Iraq, Johnnie 3 - 5
Lasalle, Larry 4 - 4
Johnson, Dwayne 5 - 2
Dever, Ted 6 - 11
Washington, McKinley 7 - 14
Manzanillo, Dave 8 - 7
Foodie, Chip 9 - 6
Kiplinger, Jeff 10 - 9
Marco, Justin 11 - 13
Luna, Flavio 12 - 10
White, Ross 13 - 3
Halime, Niguel 14 - 12
Terry, Christopher 15 - 15

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Re: 2012 Hall of Fame Final Tally

Post by agrudez » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:51 pm

Lasalle >> Mitrani=Kiplinger >> Foodie
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Re: 2012 Hall of Fame Final Tally

Post by mrbornac » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:06 pm

Lasalle is good. The top 4 from my list deserve to be in the hall. The rest are a crap shoot in my mind.
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Post by agrudez » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:17 pm

mrbornac wrote:Lasalle is good. The top 4 from my list deserve to be in the hall. The rest are a crap shoot in my mind.
Ross White being 13th is far more blasphemous that anything anyone else did on their ballots (except the two that had him last, haha).
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Re: 2012 Hall of Fame Final Tally

Post by Al-Hoot » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:29 pm

Johnson, Dwayne 1
Manzanillo, Dave 2
Luna, Flavio 3
Washington, McKinley 4
Foodie, Chip 5
Dever, Ted 6
Lasalle, Larry 7
Kiplinger, Jeff 8
MItrani, Amen 9
Halime, Niguel 10
Iraq, Johnnie 11
Terry, Christopher 12
Marco, Justin 13
Rodriguez, Rafael 14
White, Ross 15

The last five employing the they're brand new and got plenty of time to get voted in tactic.
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Post by agrudez » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:31 pm

I assumed you were one of the culprits! ;)
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