2004 Hall of Fame Ballot

jcrmoon42 · Post by **jcrmoon42** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:24 pm

Not a single, worthy soul to add to the ballot this year. However, I missed Dave Manzanillo and Riley Hinson last year and decided to add them on. Zebediah Williams remains as someone out there has to want to vote for the all-time stolen base leader. Emile Santos also makes a return as the all-time doubles leader. He didn't get much attention last time, and this will be his last chance. Braggo Franco, Jack Maverick and Sam Kirkpatrick are also on their last ballots. Kirkpatrick in particular may deserve more notice than he has been getting up to this point.

Ballots due to me by the end of the Championship Series.

Cheatsheet Here

Ballots received from:
Long Beach
New Orleans
Greenville
Madison
Las Vegas
Birmingham
Louisville
Marquette
Carolina
Buffalo
Des Moines
Hawaii
Vancouver
Atlantic City
Calgary
Valencia
California
Baltimore
Seattle
Phoenix

Still awaiting ballots from:
Washington
Omaha
Chicago
Montreal

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:02 am

Riley Hinson should be in for sure. If Dickey Brinkman is in, Hinson should be a slam dunk.

JimBob2232 · Post by **JimBob2232** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:07 pm

recte44 wrote:Riley Hinson should be in for sure. If Dickey Brinkman is in, Hinson should be a slam dunk.

Really?? you think so? I realize they are both Catchers, but their numbers are not eye-popping at all. Hinson is clearly better than Brinkman...but I am going to have a hard time putting someone with those kinds of numbers in the Hall. I am not sure Brinkman should be in either....but no point in arguing that!

I hope this is the year Groves FINALLY gets in. I think he really deserves it.

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:44 am

Hinson has the most All-Star appearances of ANYONE ON THE BALLOT. Consider that.

indiansfan · Post by **indiansfan** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:29 pm

Hey for those of us newer to the league, it's great to see you vets lobby and argue for who should be in the Hall. I hate to base my decisions purely on stats. Stats are only one measure of a guys significance.

cheekimonk · Post by **cheekimonk** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:20 pm

indiansfan wrote:Hey for those of us newer to the league, it's great to see you vets lobby and argue for who should be in the Hall. I hate to base my decisions purely on stats. Stats are only one measure of a guys significance.

Oh, great...another one of those guys. ::roll eyes::

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JimBob2232 · Post by **JimBob2232** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:32 am

recte44 wrote:Hinson has the most All-Star appearances of ANYONE ON THE BALLOT. Consider that.

I guess thats a valid point...Hard to believe that there has not been catchers with better offensive numbers in the past.

indiansfan · Post by **indiansfan** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:53 pm

At first glance it looks like Groves, Gunga O, and Rockefeller are the most deserving but nobody is a slam dunk. I can see 9 or 10 active players that I'd rank higher than those on the ballot this year if they were to retire now.

JimBob2232 · Post by **JimBob2232** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:28 pm

indiansfan wrote:At first glance it looks like Groves, Gunga O, and Rockefeller are the most deserving but nobody is a slam dunk. I can see 9 or 10 active players that I'd rank higher than those on the ballot this year if they were to retire now.

Yeah, thats pretty much how I see it as well...Gunga has been feast or famine. People either put him in the top 3 or in the bottom half for some reason...Rockefeller is hard because he was half starter/half reliever...not that it should disqualify him, but its harder to see his greatness. Groves on the other hand has alot of hits, average, sb, 3b...no power really, but he had all the other tools.

salas · Post by **salas** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:58 am

RESULTS
(Please copy and paste this portion in a PM to Jcrmoon42)
Groves, Glen 1
Daniels, Hank 2
Rockefeller, Heath 3
Hinson, Riley 4
Williams, Zebediah 5
Kilkenny, Evander 6
Kirkpatrick, Sam 7
Franco, Braggo 8
Santos, Emile 9
Maverick, Jack 10
Manzanillo, Dave 11
Ayrault, Archie 12
Menne, Jr., Rashardo 13
Oogolagunga, Gunga 14
Finch, Hayden 15

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:21 pm

(Please copy and paste this portion in a PM to Jcrmoon42)

salas wrote:RESULTS
(Please copy and paste this portion in a PM to Jcrmoon42)
Groves, Glen 1
Daniels, Hank 2
Rockefeller, Heath 3
Hinson, Riley 4
Williams, Zebediah 5
Kilkenny, Evander 6
Kirkpatrick, Sam 7
Franco, Braggo 8
Santos, Emile 9
Maverick, Jack 10
Manzanillo, Dave 11
Ayrault, Archie 12
Menne, Jr., Rashardo 13
Oogolagunga, Gunga 14
Finch, Hayden 15

salas · Post by **salas** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:41 pm

Um, oops.

jcrmoon42 · Post by **jcrmoon42** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:51 pm

Anybody is welcome to post their ballot here if they don't mind it being public.

7teen · Post by **7teen** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:47 am

Here is mine. Submitted a week or so ago.

Hinson, Riley
Groves, Glen
Rockefeller, Heath
Maverick, Jack
Santos, Emile
Oogolagunga, Gunga
Ayrault, Archie
Menne, Jr., Rashardo
Manzanillo, Dave
Daniels, Hank
Kirkpatrick, Sam
Franco, Braggo
Finch, Hayden
Williams, Zebediah
Kilkenny, Evander

cheekimonk · Post by **cheekimonk** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:23 pm

jcrmoon42 wrote:Anybody is welcome to post their ballot here if they don't mind it being public.

You sure? Partial results or individual ballots can bias remaining voters. Not that it's that critical, but still...

jcrmoon42 · Post by **jcrmoon42** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:28 pm

bateague wrote:
jcrmoon42 wrote:Anybody is welcome to post their ballot here if they don't mind it being public.
You sure? Partial results or individual ballots can bias remaining voters. Not that it's that critical, but still...

Sure, it can bias things if people allow themselves to be biased. I doubt anybody will be tracking the balloting to determine who they vote for though.

As far as I'm concerned, anything that can increase ballot discussion is okay with me.

By the way, I will try to update the list of who has turned in ballots either tomorrow or Monday.

cheekimonk · Post by **cheekimonk** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:23 am

Cool. I'll post mine closer to the close of voting.

scottsdale_joe · Post by **scottsdale_joe** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:58 am

Voted.
Call me crazy, but I put Gunga #1.
461 saves is majorly impressive.

jcrmoon42 · Post by **jcrmoon42** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:15 pm

With just over half the ballots received, the balloting is just as interesting as expected. Six players have first place ballots, and three of those six also have last place ballots. One player currently has enough points to get in, but not by a large margin. Two or three more are definitely within striking distance. As usual, every ballot counts!

YouTube · Post by **recte44** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:05 pm

VOTE RILEY HINSON OR SUFFER THE CEI'S.

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