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2032, Hall of Fame Voting Chatter

Post by recte44 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:55 pm

Ballot is here:

As always, you MUST rank all 15 players in order.

Lots of new faces on this ballot- it should be interesting!
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Re: 2032, Hall of Fame Voting Chatter

Post by indiansfan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:02 pm

I'll put out my annual plug for Terry Cochran. This is just to compare him to the other hitters that are on the ballot. So among those on the ballot he is:

2nd in hits to Felix
1st in HR, over 100 above 2nd place. Also he has the most HR of any retired player NOT in the HOF.
1st in runs
1st in RBIs
1st in SLG
1st in OPS

There are 7 hitters on the ballot and this is how he ranks among them. There are 5-6 owners that put him 14th or 15th on the ballot every year because of their WAR fixation and not taking into account how WAR punishes DH. There is no way he is 14th or 15th. If you don't think he should be in than don't put him near the top of your list. But don't black ball him by putting him at the bottom.

I also think the other two guys that are running out of time should get a serious second look too. Linares doesn't have the traditional offensive numbers for a HOFer, but he did have a significant number of extra base hits and stolen bases. He also has 7 Zimmer Awards for CF. You know how hard it is to get a good CF and this guy won 7. Like Cochran he is a borderline HOFer, but if either is going to get in then it needs to happen this year or next.

McCabe is in his last year and again doesn't really have the career numbers. However he won the Nebraska 3 times and only pitched 11 years. There was a stretch of about 5 years where he was unbeatable. Reminds me of Jessie Wright in that they both had short but brilliant careers.

I'm not saying these are the top 3 guys, just saying they are short on eligibility and deserve a serious look.
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Re: 2032, Hall of Fame Voting Chatter

Post by recte44 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:07 pm

Totally agree with Kevin- to some degree on Cochran, and especially on McCabe. How many players have won 3 or more Nebraska Awards?
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Post by aaronweiner » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:15 pm

I'm not sure about Cochran, but he's definitely a Calgary Hall of Famer. In the same way there is zero doubt about Cano, Cochran might have had to have been better playing his whole career in Calgary.

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Post by RonCo » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:17 pm

Linares and Cochrane have been high on my lists for some time.
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Post by aaronweiner » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:18 pm

Not, admittedly, the strongest ballot ever.

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Post by indiansfan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:24 pm

aaronweiner wrote:I'm not sure about Cochran, but he's definitely a Calgary Hall of Famer. In the same way there is zero doubt about Cano, Cochran might have had to have been better playing his whole career in Calgary.
If you are talking about the stadium, Cochran played all of his career in the old stadium that was not HR friendly to lefty hitters. If he had played all of it in our new one he would have at least 550. The stadium opened the year after he retired. Again, he is a borderline HOFer, just don't want him black balled like last year. It is overall a pretty weak ballot.
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Post by recte44 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:25 pm

aaronweiner wrote:Not, admittedly, the strongest ballot ever.
There are quite a few worthy players here.
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Post by 7teen » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:01 pm

I can find quite a few players not in the HOF who are no longer eligible who are better than many of these guys. I'll be a little biased:

P John Rasmussen 188 wins 69.5 WAR (higher than anyone's on the ballot)
C Hurley Reyes 469 homeruns and 1487 RBI as a catcher 62.2 WAR (behind only Hoffman and Bautista on this ballot)

And then to not be biased:
Kevin Haubert 401 homeruns and 72.3 WAR
Robert Jowers Career .827 OPS at 3B and .309 average. 71.4 WAR

It may be time to re-institute the veterans committee and add 1 or 2 of these expired guys to the ballot. I think it would spark a little more debate and discussion. I'd like to see the result of the Weiss (who is likely going to be close to getting in) and Reyes as to who gets ranked higher when both are very similar players.
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Post by RonCo » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:05 pm

I admit I'm a little outside this process. I'm not even really sure how guys get on the ballot.
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Re: 2032, Hall of Fame Voting Chatter

Post by Lane » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:41 pm

recte44 wrote:Totally agree with Kevin- to some degree on Cochran, and especially on McCabe. How many players have won 3 or more Nebraska Awards?
Nebraska (14), Bobovnic (5), Rockefeller (3), Riles Jr. (5), Izatt (3), Lasalle (3), Lee (5), Stoller (3), Strathallan (3), Swanson (3), Chapel Jr. (3), Diaz (4)

So 12 have done 3 or more.
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Post by indiansfan » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:53 pm

I agree on Rasmussen. Had him high on my ballot certainly the last few years of eligibility. If he had 200 wins he'd of gotten in.
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Post by Ted » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:28 pm

When is this due again?
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Post by aaronweiner » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:35 pm

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Post by jiminyhopkins » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:38 pm

Cool, Carlos Altavista was one of my Ammy creations. Guess he's #1 on my ballot! :bowtie:
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Post by recte44 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:51 pm

Still Need Votes From:
Brooklyn
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Post by recte44 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:32 am

Still Need Votes From:
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DEADLINE IS SATURDAY 7/29 8:00am Central

Come on, guys.
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Re: 2032, Hall of Fame Voting Chatter

Post by RonCo » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:34 pm

You mean Sunday, 29th?
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Post by usnspecialist » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:38 pm

RonCo wrote:You mean Sunday, 29th?
the 29th is Saturday....
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Post by RonCo » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:53 pm

Can you tell I work from home?
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