The Brewster

The Hall of Fame will welcome three new members to its ranks this year.

Ernest Watts, Eric Martin, and Bryan Walden join the immortals in the Hall.

Lots of players were close- next year should be interesting as well.

Name Votes % of Votes Cast % of Possible Votes
Ernest Watts 21 87.50 87.50
Eric Martin 18 75.00 75.00
Bryan Walden 18 75.00 75.00
Jim Wilson 17 70.83 70.83
Milt Linares, Jr. 16 66.67 66.67
Carlos Altavista 16 66.67 66.67
Juan Garcia 16 66.67 66.67
Jimmy McCabe 16 66.67 66.67
Paul Hogan 14 58.33 58.33
Jonathan Sorensen 13 54.17 54.17
Rafael Avila 12 50.00 50.00
Terry Cochran 12 50.00 50.00
Kevin Minuso 9 37.50 37.50
Kanzaburo Yamaguchi 8 33.33 33.33
Lionel Sanguinacco 7 29.17 29.17
Perry Eccles 7 29.17 29.17
Chris Malone 7 29.17 29.17
Jim Schmidt 7 29.17 29.17
Bob Ritchie 5 20.83 20.83
Billy Beauford 4 16.67 16.67
Juan Quintero 4 16.67 16.67
Darius Campbell Jr. 4 16.67 16.67
Pedro Berrios 4 16.67 16.67
Pedro Espin 4 16.67 16.67
Craig Murray 4 16.67 16.67
Cam Adams 3 12.50 12.50
Dave May 3 12.50 12.50
Sam Brewington 3 12.50 12.50
Freddie Rigsby 3 12.50 12.50
Peter McClure 3 12.50 12.50
Cory Warr 2 8.33 8.33
Chuck Bowers 2 8.33 8.33
Bob White 2 8.33 8.33
Mike Williams 2 8.33 8.33
Albert Martinez 2 8.33 8.33
Brian Middleton 2 8.33 8.33
Ed Mansfield 2 8.33 8.33
Tobias Kelly 2 8.33 8.33
Moses Tallchief 2 8.33 8.33
Gabriel Gomez 2 8.33 8.33
Chad Jordan 2 8.33 8.33
Esteban Benitez 1 4.17 4.17
Marc Jutras 1 4.17 4.17
Eric Thorne 1 4.17 4.17
Jorge Diaz 1 4.17 4.17
Ken Stark 1 4.17 4.17
Lucio Vazquez 1 4.17 4.17
Bob Goodwin 1 4.17 4.17
Sean McVeagh 1 4.17 4.17
Domingo Fierro 1 4.17 4.17
Alonso Rodriguez 1 4.17 4.17
Jeremy Finch 1 4.17 4.17
Eric Melton 1 4.17 4.17
Javier Alomar 1 4.17 4.17
Mark Wheeler 1 4.17 4.17
Allen Kennedy 1 4.17 4.17
Silas Thompson 1 4.17 4.17
Mack Milholm 1 4.17 4.17
Ron Lipp 1 4.17 4.17
Armando Rosales 1 4.17 4.17
Gary Wilson 1 4.17 4.17

Watts! And I didn't even have to lobby for him! 8)

Wilson didnt get in??!

Almost got Linares in too...

Player A: 16 Seasons, 1,915 Games Played, 2,012 Hits, 367 Homeruns, 1,280 RBI, .278/.333/.504, 61.9 WAR, 6 Time All-Star
Player B: 19 Seasons, 2,439 Games Played, 2,245 Hits, 469 Homeruns, 1,487 RBI, .252/.327/.457, 66.4 WAR, 4 Time All-Star

Both players played the same position. One is in the Hall of Fame. One is not.

Player A: 13 Seasons, 1,875 Games Played, 2,171 Hits, 416 Doubles, 25 Homeruns, 722 RBI, 1,109 Runs, .299/.386/.387, 57.3 WAR, 5 All-Stars
Player B: 14 Seasons, 1,752 Games Played, 2,073 Hits, 324 Doubles, 240 Homeruns, 957 RBI, 1,221 Runs, .307/.392/.472, 55.9 WAR, 2 All-Star

Both players played Same Position. Both Players spent Entire Careers with 1 Team. 1 Player a Hall of Famer. 1 is NOT.

How many relievers do we have in the Hall? The voting discrimination against them has always seemed pretty high. Maybe we should reduce their entrance criteria to 66.66% or something.

agrudez wrote:How many relievers do we have in the Hall? The voting discrimination against them has always seemed pretty high. Maybe we should reduce their entrance criteria to 66.66% or something.

Agreed. Not sure about lowering the bar but can't understand people's reluctance to vote for them. I think I voted for 3 this year.

indiansfan wrote:Agreed. Not sure about lowering the bar but can't understand people's reluctance to vote for them. I think I voted for 3 this year.

I make it a point to vote for at least one every year because they always get boned. This year actually seemed like a pretty deep class for them, though (probably due to the back log of them never getting voted in) so I think I voted for 3, too.

Bummed that Wilson didn't get in....again and that only half the league voted for Cochran. 9 more homers and he is probable on the bubble of getting elected.

I voted for 5 relievers.

I refuse to vote for a reliever unless they're a true stud. #JustinMarcoBias

indiansfan wrote:Bummed that Wilson didn't get in....again and that only half the league voted for Cochran. 9 more homers and he is probable on the bubble of getting elected.

Wilson was my top choice the last 2 years.

Only one of the 3 that got in received my vote.

7teen wrote:Player A: 16 Seasons, 1,915 Games Played, 2,012 Hits, 367 Homeruns, 1,280 RBI, .278/.333/.504, 61.9 WAR, 6 Time All-Star
Player B: 19 Seasons, 2,439 Games Played, 2,245 Hits, 469 Homeruns, 1,487 RBI, .252/.327/.457, 66.4 WAR, 4 Time All-Star

Both players played the same position. One is in the Hall of Fame. One is not.

Hitters with career OPS < .800 often have a hard time getting into OOTP HoF lists--though they stir a lot of debate and populate team HoFs all the time.

7teen wrote:Player A: 13 Seasons, 1,875 Games Played, 2,171 Hits, 416 Doubles, 25 Homeruns, 722 RBI, 1,109 Runs, .299/.386/.387, 57.3 WAR, 5 All-Stars
Player B: 14 Seasons, 1,752 Games Played, 2,073 Hits, 324 Doubles, 240 Homeruns, 957 RBI, 1,221 Runs, .307/.392/.472, 55.9 WAR, 2 All-Star

Both players played Same Position. Both Players spent Entire Careers with 1 Team. 1 Player a Hall of Famer. 1 is NOT.

For a newbie owner who didn't live through Martin's years, he's an interesting vote. I included him on my ballot because he has all the earmarks of a guy who dominates games without a ton of thunder in his bat, but through a combination of OBP, speed, and stifling defense. One assumes ATC just dropped him in the leadoff slot and let him play for a decade and a half without any worry.

As far as the comparison, 5 AS games in 13 seasons vs. 2 in 14 seasons may give a newbie GM some indication of the relative idea of the league's evaluation of the two overall. Player B's couple fewer WAR in an extra season says B was a little less valuable on the whole...and since player B's homers are so much higher one suggests Player B's defense and legs were more in the league average category. Without doing the research, my pure guess is that I probably voted for Player B, too...but I can read the tea leaves a little and see a message that would rank the two on different tiers, but probably as much because Martin is fairly unique, whereas you can find a lot of guys who are basically "good hitters."

I just cannot get behind the "he played in x all star games" argument. I try my best to not even look at that.

RonCo wrote:

7teen wrote:Player A: 13 Seasons, 1,875 Games Played, 2,171 Hits, 416 Doubles, 25 Homeruns, 722 RBI, 1,109 Runs, .299/.386/.387, 57.3 WAR, 5 All-Stars
Player B: 14 Seasons, 1,752 Games Played, 2,073 Hits, 324 Doubles, 240 Homeruns, 957 RBI, 1,221 Runs, .307/.392/.472, 55.9 WAR, 2 All-Star

Both players played Same Position. Both Players spent Entire Careers with 1 Team. 1 Player a Hall of Famer. 1 is NOT.

For a newbie owner who didn't live through Martin's years, he's an interesting vote. I included him on my ballot because he has all the earmarks of a guy who dominates games without a ton of thunder in his bat, but through a combination of OBP, speed, and stifling defense. One assumes ATC just dropped him in the leadoff slot and let him play for a decade and a half without any worry.

As far as the comparison, 5 AS games in 13 seasons vs. 2 in 14 seasons may give a newbie GM some indication of the relative idea of the league's evaluation of the two overall. Player B's couple fewer WAR in an extra season says B was a little less valuable on the whole...and since player B's homers are so much higher one suggests Player B's defense and legs were more in the league average category. Without doing the research, my pure guess is that I probably voted for Player B, too...but I can read the tea leaves a little and see a message that would rank the two on different tiers, but probably as much because Martin is fairly unique, whereas you can find a lot of guys who are basically "good hitters."

You know I couldn't leave it there ... I chased down your comp. Bruner was clearly a good candidate, but he was like Martin without the speed and glove (but add in a HR bat). This does make him kinda like a number of players in the big picture. Not sure what happened in 2008, but that cliff event was apparently huge. If he had another three seasons to accumulate stats, he probably would have been an easy inclusion. Bruner also did not have the 1 mega-year that Martin had (Martin's 9+ WAR season ranks as one of the best 100 of all time. Definitely an interesting comparison.

These are things that make being a newbie a shade difficult, though.

bschr682 wrote:I just cannot get behind the "he played in x all star games" argument. I try my best to not even look at that.

If a player has an overwhelming number of them (>=50% of their total seasons) or a glaring lack of them (0 or 1), I think that is a valuable data point. The Hall should, in theory, be populated with the best players at their positions of their era, after all - though, on the flip side, I'm sure some guys got screwed playing in the JL when Crickett was rampaging, etc. so you still need the context. Using relatively small variances (3 in 13 vs. 4 in 12 or something) as a decision point seems a tad over the top, though. Particularly with the (reason I'm assuming you don't like using it) oddities of the ASG voting in general.

Spot on

I think All-Star appearances matter; they indicate the length of a player's peak.