2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

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Post by bcslouck » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:44 am

Lane wrote:I'll search the MBBA CFs later, but this guy has a .713 OPS against EBA pitching this year. He's absolutely a platoon bat in the MBBA.
What about his defense? Isn't it good enough to ignore the platoon? Sure, he'll be sub 100 OPS+ wise, but if he's bring good or better defense, do you live with it and just move him down the lineup?
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by agrudez » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:47 am

Lane wrote:I'll search the MBBA CFs later, but this guy has a .713 OPS against EBA pitching this year. He's absolutely a platoon bat in the MBBA.
How often do you judge careers on 94 ABs?

I stand by the .650-.700 OPS v. LHBs in the MBBA and the fact that his glove and legs will be impossible to adequately replace with a platoon option.
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by bcslouck » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:50 am

agrudez wrote: How often do you judge careers on 94 ABs?

I stand by the .650-.700 OPS v. LHBs in the MBBA and the fact that his glove and legs will be impossible to adequately replace with a platoon option.
I agree with the glove and legs part. Will be interesting to see if he improves against lefties his final 2 years in the EBA.
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by Lane » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:53 am

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Lane wrote:I'll search the MBBA CFs later, but this guy has a .713 OPS against EBA pitching this year. He's absolutely a platoon bat in the MBBA.
How often do you judge careers on 94 ABs?

I stand by the .650-.700 OPS v. LHBs in the MBBA and the fact that his glove and legs will be impossible to adequately replace with a platoon option.
Ok, his EBA career OPS vs lefties is .718 in 278 PA.

I would be concerned that the CON vs lefties drops to 4 (a la Dubois) and he becomes a .500 OPS guy against lefties. I'm not saying that his glove and legs won't make up for it... Mostly just saying that he's not the second coming of Savage.


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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by Lane » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:59 am

Here's 6:

Alfredo Salazar
Alfredo Martinez
Leon Sandcastle (9/7/8/7/5 Ratings, .270/.353/.476, 15 HR, 57 RBI)
Frank Thomas (6/8/7/4/5 Ratings, .253/.313/.503, 19 HR, 59 RBI)
Santiago Baez (5/5/2/7/5 Ratings, .244/.331/.357, 3 HR, 17 RBI)
Jorge Rodriguez
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Post by Lane » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:00 pm

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Lane wrote:I'll search the MBBA CFs later, but this guy has a .713 OPS against EBA pitching this year. He's absolutely a platoon bat in the MBBA.
What about his defense? Isn't it good enough to ignore the platoon? Sure, he'll be sub 100 OPS+ wise, but if he's bring good or better defense, do you live with it and just move him down the lineup?
Sure it is. I wouldn't really call that kind of player a "star" though.
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by Lane » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:06 pm

Rodriguez actually looks like a pretty good comp for ratings v LHP. He's got a .776 career OPS v LHP.

So I will concede that it's possible that Lacaze can maintain a .700 OPS in the MBBA, but that's assuming no lumps.
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by bcslouck » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:09 pm

Lane wrote:Rodriguez actually looks like a pretty good comp for ratings v LHP. He's got a .776 career OPS v LHP.

So I will concede that it's possible that Lacaze can maintain a .700 OPS in the MBBA, but that's assuming no lumps.
I think that's reasonable. If he goes like you think he may, he's a solid MBBA player. Probably a Top 10 CF but in the 5-10 range. He he improves and gets better, he could be an All-Star. He is still only 22 as well so he probably still has some development to go.
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by bcslouck » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:11 pm

So what competition level is the EBA? KBO like, better than the KBO but below the Japanese league? AAAA?
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by Bumstead » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:20 pm

bcslouck wrote:So what competition level is the EBA? KBO like, better than the KBO but below the Japanese league? AAAA?
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by bcslouck » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:26 pm

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bcslouck wrote:So what competition level is the EBA? KBO like, better than the KBO but below the Japanese league? AAAA?
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by agrudez » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:29 pm

Lane wrote:Here's 6:

Alfredo Salazar
Alfredo Martinez
Leon Sandcastle (9/7/8/7/5 Ratings, .270/.353/.476, 15 HR, 57 RBI)
Frank Thomas (6/8/7/4/5 Ratings, .253/.313/.503, 19 HR, 59 RBI)
Santiago Baez (5/5/2/7/5 Ratings, .244/.331/.357, 3 HR, 17 RBI)
Jorge Rodriguez
Not a CF.
Agree.
Agree.
No way
Your kidding?
Agree.

That's 3. I'll add Soriano, too - which would make him top 5.
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by Lane » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:33 pm

I would argue that Salazar has proven that he can play CF and shouldn't be penalized in this exercise just because he's not primarily a CF right now.

Your disagreement on Thomas and Baez is defensible, but I respectfully disagree.


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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by Bumstead » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:53 pm

bcslouck wrote:
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bcslouck wrote:So what competition level is the EBA? KBO like, better than the KBO but below the Japanese league? AAAA?
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by recte44 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:44 pm

It's roughly AAA/AAAA

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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by bcslouck » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:25 am

recte44 wrote:It's roughly AAA/AAAA
Got ya. Figured that may be the case. Thanks!
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Re: 2028.02 - "France cannot be France without greatness."

Post by Bumstead » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:41 am

recte44 wrote:It's roughly AAA/AAAA
If this is the case, I want Roberto Petagine and Billy Ashley on my team! I would consider Tuffy Rhodes had he not been a cub...plus I can't get that opening day when the Reds played the cubs and Tuffy hit 3 HR's...guy was a monster that day...

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