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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:16 pm

RANK: 53
YEAR: 2009
TEAM: Philadelphia Phillies
TOP WAR: 488.6
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-2 to New York Yankees
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR488.653
TOP BATTER WAR247.067
TOP PITCHING WAR241.628
TOTAL WAR615.747
TOTAL BATTER WAR260.274
TOTAL PITCHER WAR355.512
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR127.135
GARBAGE BATTER WAR13.277
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR113.93
BATTER AGE31.632
PITCHER AGE30.364
TOP BATTER AGE32.672
TOP PITCHER AGE31.507
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C30Carlos Ruiz22.5
1B29Ryan Howard14.7
2B30Chase Utley64.5
SS30Jimmy Rollins47.6
3B34Pedro Feliz5.6
LF37Raul Ibanez20.9
CF28Shane Victorino31.5
RF30Jayson Werth29.2
BENCH30Greg Dobbs-3.5
BENCH37Paul Bako-1.3
BENCH41Matt Stairs14.2
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP28Joe Blanton11.8
SP25Cole Hamels59
SP26J.A Happ21.1
SP46Jamie Moyer49.8
SP30Cliff Lee43.2
RP32Brad Lidge7.9
RP36Chan Ho Park19.9
RP28Ryan Madson13.5
RP31Chad Durbin-0.8
RP33Clay Condrey1.6
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN37Pedro Martinez83.9
BULLPEN28Brett Myers14.6
BENCH35Miguel Cairo7.7
Comments: Man these guys are OLD. Even accounting for the human inflation factor that is Jamie Moyer, they had exactly 2 meaningful guys below the age of 28 (Cole Hamels and J.A Happ). They were also incredibly thin on offense, with Stairs (who played almost 1900 career games and only qualified for a batting title 3x) and Miguel Cairo being the only bench bats over 2.5 career WAR. That being said, the rotation is pretty damn good, despite nominal “ace” joe Blanton being the worst of the bunch. Cliff Lee was one of the ultimate “great and then fell of a cliff early” guys from this generation, and sitting deep on the bench is one of the best of ANY generation in Pedro Martinez in the last season of his legendary career.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Dington » Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:26 pm

I don’t recall Pedro on Phillies. Crazy.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Jwalk100 » Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:55 pm

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RANK: 55
YEAR: 1982
TEAM: Milwaukee Brewers
TOP WAR: 474.2
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to St Louis Cardinals
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR474.255
TOP BATTER WAR365.425
TOP PITCHING WAR108.877
TOTAL WAR614.248
TOTAL BATTER WAR394.145
TOTAL PITCHER WAR220.150
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR14026
GARBAGE BATTER WAR28.770
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR111.34
BATTER AGE28.7238
PITCHER AGE29.8014
TOP BATTER AGE29.9126
TOP PITCHER AGE30.0023
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C32Ted Simmons50.3
1B32Cecil Cooper36
2B29Jim Gantner22.4
SS26Robin Yount77.3
3B25Paul Molitor75.7
LF33Ben Ogilvie26.4
CF31Gorman Thomas19.8
RF29Charlie Moore10.3
DH28Ray Howell10.9
BENCH35Don Money36.5
BENCH29Marshall Edwards-0.2
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP33Mike Caldwell18.4
SP29Pete Vuckovich16.4
SP26Moose Haas17.3
SP30Bob McClure10.5
SP27Randy Lerch-2.1
RP35Rollie Fingers25.6
RP32Jim Slaton17.3
RP30Dwight Bernard-0.5
RP29Jerry Augustine4.2
RP29Jamie Easterly1.7
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN37Don Sutton66.7
BULLPEN25Doug Jones21.4
BULLPEN33Doc Medich19.6
BENCH23Kevin Bass14.8
BENCH27Ned Yost-3.7
Comments: The first and still only appearance of the Brew Crew in the World Series gives us a fairly middle of the road team. The obvious stars here are Yount and Molitor at the very beginning of their careers, but there were a total of 5 Hall of Famers on this team (Yount, Molitor, Sutton, Simmons and Fingers). There wasn’t a true weak link in the lineup or in the playoff rotation, as this team pushed their future division mates in the Cardinals (yes Milwaukee used to be in the AL kiddies!!) to 7 games before getting #yosted and falling. The pitching staff had the Cy Young Winner that season in Pete Vuckovich, who within 7 years became far better known for being the evil Clu Haywood in the classic movie Major League.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Oct 30, 2023 5:25 pm

Dington wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:26 pm
I don’t recall Pedro on Phillies. Crazy.
they signed him that July, he went 5-1 in 9 starts and actually started game 2 of the WS that year. Was his last season in the majors.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:21 pm

RANK: 52
YEAR: 1974
TEAM: Oakland Athletics
TOP WAR: 497.4
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-1 over Los Angeles Dodgers
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR497.452
TOP BATTER WAR321.842
TOP PITCHING WAR175.654
TOTAL WAR592.953
TOTAL BATTER WAR416.141
TOTAL PITCHER WAR176.864
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR95.555
GARBAGE BATTER WAR94.328
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR1.277
BATTER AGE28.5841
PITCHER AGE27.2765
TOP BATTER AGE29.1842
TOP PITCHER AGE27.5063
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C27Ray Fosse12.9
1B27Gene Tenace46.8
2B33Dick Green16.0
SS32Bert Campaneris53.1
3B30Sal Bando61.5
LF27Joe Rudi25.5
CF26Bill North26.8
RF28Reggie Jackson74.0
DH32Jesus Alou0.8
BENCH27Angel Mangual2.1
BENCH32Ted Kubiak2.3
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP28Catfish Hunter40.9
SP24Vida Blue445.1
SP28Ken Holtzman27.3
SP26Dave Hamilton3.8
SP23Glenn Abbott5.3
RP27Rollie Fingers25.6
RP32Paul Lindblad10.1
RP29Blue Moon Odom5.4
RP32Darold Knowles12.0
RP26Leon Hooten0.1
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH25Phil Garner29.7
BENCH19Claudell Washington19.6
BENCH34Vic Davalillo15.8
BENCH23Manny Trillo11.3
BULLPEN25Bill Parsons1.2
BENCH22Herb Washington-0.5
Comments: A pretty bland and middle of the road team historically, this was the last of 3 straight titles for the Athletics (a feat that has only been duplicated by the 98-00 Yankees since). Perhaps the most notable thing about this team was their absolutely insane pitching usage. They only ran out 11 pitchers all year, with 2 of them (Hooten and Parsons) combining for a total of 10 IP all season. Catfish Hunter started 41 games, completed 23 of them, and put up a 2.45 ERA/3.17 FIP/0.986 WHIP line in a mind boggling 318 1/3 IP. Vida Blue started 40 and threw “only 282 1/3 IP, meaning between the two of them they started exactly half of the games that season. Rollie Fingers pitched in 76 games, finished 60 of them, throwing 119 IP with “only” 18 saves (as a team they only had 28 saves all year). Also noteworthy is the absolutely exquisite collection of names on this team. Catfish, Vida, Blue Moon, Rollie and Jesus.
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FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 pm

RANK: 51
YEAR: 1979
TEAM: Pittsburgh Pirates
TOP WAR: 499.5
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over Baltimore Orioles
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR499.551
TOP BATTER WAR221.870
TOP PITCHING WAR277.718
TOTAL WAR660.437
TOTAL BATTER WAR288.765
TOTAL PITCHER WAR371.710
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR160.917
GARBAGE BATTER WAR66.944
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR94.08
BATTER AGE28.4044
PITCHER AGE30.2110
TOP BATTER AGE29.2740
TOP PITCHER AGE30.7012
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C27Ed Ott5.9
1B39Willie Stargell57.5
2B28Rennie Stennett13.9
SS28Tim Foli5.7
3B28Bill Madlock38.2
LF36Bill Robinson7.6
CF26Omar Moreno9.6
RF28Dave Parker40.1
BENCH30Phil Garner29.7
BENCH29John Milner12.5
BENCH23Steve Nicosia1.1
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP28Bert Blyleven94.5
SP25John Candelaria41.9
SP29Bruce Kison15.1
SP22Don Robinson17.4
SP36Jim Rooker19.7
RP32Kent Tekulve25.5
RP34Jim Bibby19.4
RP31Enrique Romo6.6
RP36Grant Jackson14.1
RP34Dave Roberts23.5
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN26Rick Rhoden35.4
BENCH35Manny Sanguillen27.6
BULLPEN32Joe Coleman23.2
BULLPEN24Ed Whitson21.2
BENCH31Lee Lacy20.2
BULLPEN34Dock Ellis14.2
BENCH22Dale Berra5.5
Comments: A pretty middling offense (albeit one with some big names in Stargell, Parker and Madlock), this team was carried by their pitching staff which was very deep (even into the spare parts in the pen) and had very few holes. The staff was led by a “he had THAT good of a career” guy in Bert Blyleven, but had some solid backup., Stashed on the bench was a young Dale Berra, best known at the time as the son of Yogi and later the star of the Pittsburgh Drug Trials in the 80s. This was the last hurrah for the pirates before the fell into a decade of struggles prior to a brief resurgence in the early 90s and well we all know what happened after that….
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FL Pacific- 37, 39
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Jwalk100 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:53 pm

usnspecialist wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:21 pm
RANK: 52
YEAR: 1974
TEAM: Oakland Athletics
TOP WAR: 497.4
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-1 over Los Angeles Dodgers
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR497.452
TOP BATTER WAR321.842
TOP PITCHING WAR175.654
TOTAL WAR592.953
TOTAL BATTER WAR416.141
TOTAL PITCHER WAR176.864
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR95.555
GARBAGE BATTER WAR94.328
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR1.277
BATTER AGE28.5841
PITCHER AGE27.2765
TOP BATTER AGE29.1842
TOP PITCHER AGE27.5063
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C27Ray Fosse12.9
1B27Gene Tenace46.8
2B33Dick Green16.0
SS32Bert Campaneris53.1
3B30Sal Bando61.5
LF27Joe Rudi25.5
CF26Bill North26.8
RF28Reggie Jackson74.0
DH32Jesus Alou0.8
BENCH27Angel Mangual2.1
BENCH32Ted Kubiak2.3
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP28Catfish Hunter40.9
SP24Vida Blue445.1
SP28Ken Holtzman27.3
SP26Dave Hamilton3.8
SP23Glenn Abbott5.3
RP27Rollie Fingers25.6
RP32Paul Lindblad10.1
RP29Blue Moon Odom5.4
RP32Darold Knowles12.0
RP26Leon Hooten0.1
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH25Phil Garner29.7
BENCH19Claudell Washington19.6
BENCH34Vic Davalillo15.8
BENCH23Manny Trillo11.3
BULLPEN25Bill Parsons1.2
BENCH22Herb Washington-0.5
Comments: A pretty bland and middle of the road team historically, this was the last of 3 straight titles for the Athletics (a feat that has only been duplicated by the 98-00 Yankees since). Perhaps the most notable thing about this team was their absolutely insane pitching usage. They only ran out 11 pitchers all year, with 2 of them (Hooten and Parsons) combining for a total of 10 IP all season. Catfish Hunter started 41 games, completed 23 of them, and put up a 2.45 ERA/3.17 FIP/0.986 WHIP line in a mind boggling 318 1/3 IP. Vida Blue started 40 and threw “only 282 1/3 IP, meaning between the two of them they started exactly half of the games that season. Rollie Fingers pitched in 76 games, finished 60 of them, throwing 119 IP with “only” 18 saves (as a team they only had 28 saves all year). Also noteworthy is the absolutely exquisite collection of names on this team. Catfish, Vida, Blue Moon, Rollie and Jesus.
Young Claudell Washington was a speedster. He was brought in as a pinch runner in his debut. He was immediately picked off. Forgot who the pitcher was. It made my dad laugh so hard though.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Jwalk100 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:58 pm

usnspecialist wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 pm
RANK: 51
YEAR: 1979
TEAM: Pittsburgh Pirates
TOP WAR: 499.5
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over Baltimore Orioles
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR499.551
TOP BATTER WAR221.870
TOP PITCHING WAR277.718
TOTAL WAR660.437
TOTAL BATTER WAR288.765
TOTAL PITCHER WAR371.710
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR160.917
GARBAGE BATTER WAR66.944
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR94.08
BATTER AGE28.4044
PITCHER AGE30.2110
TOP BATTER AGE29.2740
TOP PITCHER AGE30.7012
TOP HITTERS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR499.551
TOP BATTER WAR221.870
TOP PITCHING WAR277.718
TOTAL WAR660.437
TOTAL BATTER WAR288.765
TOTAL PITCHER WAR371.710
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR160.917
GARBAGE BATTER WAR66.944
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR94.08
BATTER AGE28.4044
PITCHER AGE30.2110
TOP BATTER AGE29.2740
TOP PITCHER AGE30.7012
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP28Bert Blyleven94.5
SP25John Candelaria41.9
SP29Bruce Kison15.1
SP22Don Robinson17.4
SP36Jim Rooker19.7
RP32Kent Tekulve25.5
RP34Jim Bibby19.4
RP31Enrique Romo6.6
RP36Grant Jackson14.1
RP34Dave Roberts23.5
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN26Rick Rhoden35.4
BENCH35Manny Sanguillen27.6
BULLPEN32Joe Coleman23.2
BULLPEN24Ed Whitson21.2
BENCH31Lee Lacy20.2
BULLPEN34Dock Ellis14.2
BENCH22Dale Berra5.5
Comments: A pretty middling offense (albeit one with some big names in Stargell, Parker and Madlock), this team was carried by their pitching staff which was very deep (even into the spare parts in the pen) and had very few holes. The staff was led by a “he had THAT good of a career” guy in Bert Blyleven, but had some solid backup., Stashed on the bench was a young Dale Berra, best known at the time as the son of Yogi and later the star of the Pittsburgh Drug Trials in the 80s. This was the last hurrah for the pirates before the fell into a decade of struggles prior to a brief resurgence in the early 90s and well we all know what happened after that….
Rick Rhoden was a great hitting pitcher. Dale Berra (Yogi's son) was caught up in the Pirates cocaine controversy in the 80's.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:20 pm

RANK: 50
YEAR: 1973
TEAM: Oakland Athletics
TOP WAR: 507.6
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series over New York Mets 4-3
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR507.650
TOP BATTER WAR327.340
TOP PITCHING WAR180.353
TOTAL WAR647.239
TOTAL BATTER WAR464.724
TOTAL PITCHER WAR182.562
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR139.627
GARBAGE BATTER WAR137.410
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR2.276
BATTER AGE28.6139
PITCHER AGE27.0868
TOP BATTER AGE28.4555
TOP PITCHER AGE26.8072
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C26Roy Fosse12.9
1B26Gene Tenace46.8
2B32Dick Green16.0
SS31Bert Campaneris53.1
3B29Sal Bando61.5
LF26Joe Rudi25.5
CF25Bill North26.8
RF27Reggie Jackson74.0
DH34Deron Johnson6.3
BENCH26Angel Mangual2.1
BENCH31Ted Kubiak2.3
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C26Roy Fosse12.9
1B26Gene Tenace46.8
2B32Dick Green16.0
SS31Bert Campaneris53.1
3B29Sal Bando61.5
LF26Joe Rudi25.5
CF25Bill North26.8
RF27Reggie Jackson74.0
DH34Deron Johnson6.3
BENCH26Angel Mangual2.1
BENCH31Ted Kubiak2.3
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH33Rico Carty32.6
BENCH24Phil Garner29.7
BENCH27Jay Johnstone16.5
BENCH33Vic Davalillo15.8
BENCH22Manny Trillo11.3
BENCH29Mike Andrews10.9
BULLPEN29Chuck Dobson3.7
Comments: Pretty much everything mentioned about the 1974 team applies to the 1973 version, complete with insane pitching usage. The workhorse this year was Ken Holtzman, with 40 starts and 297 IP. The obvious highlight of the offense is Reggie Jackson, but he was surrounded by a pretty solid supporting cast as well, including a historically underrated Sal Bando who was in his prime at the time.
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JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:21 pm

Jwalk100 wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:53 pm
usnspecialist wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:21 pm
RANK: 52
YEAR: 1974
TEAM: Oakland Athletics
TOP WAR: 497.4
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-1 over Los Angeles Dodgers
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR497.452
TOP BATTER WAR321.842
TOP PITCHING WAR175.654
TOTAL WAR592.953
TOTAL BATTER WAR416.141
TOTAL PITCHER WAR176.864
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR95.555
GARBAGE BATTER WAR94.328
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR1.277
BATTER AGE28.5841
PITCHER AGE27.2765
TOP BATTER AGE29.1842
TOP PITCHER AGE27.5063
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C27Ray Fosse12.9
1B27Gene Tenace46.8
2B33Dick Green16.0
SS32Bert Campaneris53.1
3B30Sal Bando61.5
LF27Joe Rudi25.5
CF26Bill North26.8
RF28Reggie Jackson74.0
DH32Jesus Alou0.8
BENCH27Angel Mangual2.1
BENCH32Ted Kubiak2.3
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP28Catfish Hunter40.9
SP24Vida Blue445.1
SP28Ken Holtzman27.3
SP26Dave Hamilton3.8
SP23Glenn Abbott5.3
RP27Rollie Fingers25.6
RP32Paul Lindblad10.1
RP29Blue Moon Odom5.4
RP32Darold Knowles12.0
RP26Leon Hooten0.1
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH25Phil Garner29.7
BENCH19Claudell Washington19.6
BENCH34Vic Davalillo15.8
BENCH23Manny Trillo11.3
BULLPEN25Bill Parsons1.2
BENCH22Herb Washington-0.5
Comments: A pretty bland and middle of the road team historically, this was the last of 3 straight titles for the Athletics (a feat that has only been duplicated by the 98-00 Yankees since). Perhaps the most notable thing about this team was their absolutely insane pitching usage. They only ran out 11 pitchers all year, with 2 of them (Hooten and Parsons) combining for a total of 10 IP all season. Catfish Hunter started 41 games, completed 23 of them, and put up a 2.45 ERA/3.17 FIP/0.986 WHIP line in a mind boggling 318 1/3 IP. Vida Blue started 40 and threw “only 282 1/3 IP, meaning between the two of them they started exactly half of the games that season. Rollie Fingers pitched in 76 games, finished 60 of them, throwing 119 IP with “only” 18 saves (as a team they only had 28 saves all year). Also noteworthy is the absolutely exquisite collection of names on this team. Catfish, Vida, Blue Moon, Rollie and Jesus.
Young Claudell Washington was a speedster. He was brought in as a pinch runner in his debut. He was immediately picked off. Forgot who the pitcher was. It made my dad laugh so hard though.
At least Claudell had legitimate baseball skills. Herb Washington was a track guy brought in by Charlie Finley as a gimmick pinch runner extraordinaire.
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JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

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RANK: 49
YEAR: 2004
TEAM: St Louis Cardinals
TOP WAR: 508.2
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series to Boston Red Sox 4-0
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR508.249
TOP BATTER WAR350.931
TOP PITCHING WAR157.364
TOTAL WAR680.433
TOTAL BATTER WAR468.722
TOTAL PITCHER WAR211.753
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR172.215
GARBAGE BATTER WAR117.815
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR54.427
BATTER AGE30.396
PITCHER AGE29.3220
TOP BATTER AGE31.455
TOP PITCHER AGE30.8011
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C33Mike Matheny-0.5
1B24Albert Pujols101.5
2B34Tony Womack2.4
SS27Edgar Rentaria32.4
3B29Scott Rolen70.1
LF37Ray Lankford38.2
CF34Jim Edmonds60.4
RF36Reggie Sanders39.8
BENCH33John Mabry-2.3
BENCH30Marlon Anderson7.2
BENCH29Roger Cedeno1.7
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP29Matt Morris20.4
SP25Jason Marquis6.8
SP37Woody Williams30.2
SP29Jeff Suppan17.1
SP29Chris Carpenter34.2
RP31Jason Isringhausen13.0
RP36Cal Eldred15.8
RP31Julian Tavarez4.6
RP30Ray King5.3
RP31Steve Kline9.9
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH37Larry Walker72.7
BENCH21Yadier Molina42.1
BULLPEN23Dan Haren35.1
BULLPEN25Rick Ankiel9.1
Comments: The first of a few World Series appearances for the Cardinals this decade, they rode an aging offense surrounding a young megastar in Albert Pujols along with a bunch of “that guy” pitchers to a title before they became a speedbump on the way to arguably the most famous title of this millennium. This offense did have some potent bats though, with Pujols, Rolen and Edmonds starting, and an aging Larry Walker and baby Yadier Molina on the bench. Nobody on the pitching staff really stands out as great, although a young Dan Haren is deep in the pen before becoming one of those guys who was sneaky good for a few years. This was also in the pitching phase of Rick Ankiel’s rather remarkable 2-way career.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Dington » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:47 pm

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Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:13 pm
RANK: 49
YEAR: 2004
TEAM: St Louis Cardinals
TOP WAR: 508.2
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series to Boston Red Sox 4-0
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR508.249
TOP BATTER WAR350.931
TOP PITCHING WAR157.364
TOTAL WAR680.433
TOTAL BATTER WAR468.722
TOTAL PITCHER WAR211.753
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR172.215
GARBAGE BATTER WAR117.815
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR54.427
BATTER AGE30.396
PITCHER AGE29.3220
TOP BATTER AGE31.455
TOP PITCHER AGE30.8011
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C33Mike Matheny-0.5
1B24Albert Pujols101.5
2B34Tony Womack2.4
SS27Edgar Rentaria32.4
3B29Scott Rolen70.1
LF37Ray Lankford38.2
CF34Jim Edmonds60.4
RF36Reggie Sanders39.8
BENCH33John Mabry-2.3
BENCH30Marlon Anderson7.2
BENCH29Roger Cedeno1.7
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP29Matt Morris20.4
SP25Jason Marquis6.8
SP37Woody Williams30.2
SP29Jeff Suppan17.1
SP29Chris Carpenter34.2
RP31Jason Isringhausen13.0
RP36Cal Eldred15.8
RP31Julian Tavarez4.6
RP30Ray King5.3
RP31Steve Kline9.9
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH37Larry Walker72.7
BENCH21Yadier Molina42.1
BULLPEN23Dan Haren35.1
BULLPEN25Rick Ankiel9.1
Comments: The first of a few World Series appearances for the Cardinals this decade, they rode an aging offense surrounding a young megastar in Albert Pujols along with a bunch of “that guy” pitchers to a title before they became a speedbump on the way to arguably the most famous title of this millennium. This offense did have some potent bats though, with Pujols, Rolen and Edmonds starting, and an aging Larry Walker and baby Yadier Molina on the bench. Nobody on the pitching staff really stands out as great, although a young Dan Haren is deep in the pen before becoming one of those guys who was sneaky good for a few years. This was also in the pitching phase of Rick Ankiel’s rather remarkable 2-way career.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by trmmilwwi » Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:56 am

Jwalk100 wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:55 pm
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Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:24 pm
RANK: 55
YEAR: 1982
TEAM: Milwaukee Brewers
TOP WAR: 474.2
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to St Louis Cardinals
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR474.255
TOP BATTER WAR365.425
TOP PITCHING WAR108.877
TOTAL WAR614.248
TOTAL BATTER WAR394.145
TOTAL PITCHER WAR220.150
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR14026
GARBAGE BATTER WAR28.770
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR111.34
BATTER AGE28.7238
PITCHER AGE29.8014
TOP BATTER AGE29.9126
TOP PITCHER AGE30.0023
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C32Ted Simmons50.3
1B32Cecil Cooper36
2B29Jim Gantner22.4
SS26Robin Yount77.3
3B25Paul Molitor75.7
LF33Ben Ogilvie26.4
CF31Gorman Thomas19.8
RF29Charlie Moore10.3
DH28Ray Howell10.9
BENCH35Don Money36.5
BENCH29Marshall Edwards-0.2
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP33Mike Caldwell18.4
SP29Pete Vuckovich16.4
SP26Moose Haas17.3
SP30Bob McClure10.5
SP27Randy Lerch-2.1
RP35Rollie Fingers25.6
RP32Jim Slaton17.3
RP30Dwight Bernard-0.5
RP29Jerry Augustine4.2
RP29Jamie Easterly1.7
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN37Don Sutton66.7
BULLPEN25Doug Jones21.4
BULLPEN33Doc Medich19.6
BENCH23Kevin Bass14.8
BENCH27Ned Yost-3.7
Comments: The first and still only appearance of the Brew Crew in the World Series gives us a fairly middle of the road team. The obvious stars here are Yount and Molitor at the very beginning of their careers, but there were a total of 5 Hall of Famers on this team (Yount, Molitor, Sutton, Simmons and Fingers). There wasn’t a true weak link in the lineup or in the playoff rotation, as this team pushed their future division mates in the Cardinals (yes Milwaukee used to be in the AL kiddies!!) to 7 games before getting #yosted and falling. The pitching staff had the Cy Young Winner that season in Pete Vuckovich, who within 7 years became far better known for being the evil Clu Haywood in the classic movie Major League.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:38 pm

Dington wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:47 pm
usnspecialist wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:13 pm
RANK: 49
YEAR: 2004
TEAM: St Louis Cardinals
TOP WAR: 508.2
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series to Boston Red Sox 4-0
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR508.249
TOP BATTER WAR350.931
TOP PITCHING WAR157.364
TOTAL WAR680.433
TOTAL BATTER WAR468.722
TOTAL PITCHER WAR211.753
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR172.215
GARBAGE BATTER WAR117.815
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR54.427
BATTER AGE30.396
PITCHER AGE29.3220
TOP BATTER AGE31.455
TOP PITCHER AGE30.8011
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C33Mike Matheny-0.5
1B24Albert Pujols101.5
2B34Tony Womack2.4
SS27Edgar Rentaria32.4
3B29Scott Rolen70.1
LF37Ray Lankford38.2
CF34Jim Edmonds60.4
RF36Reggie Sanders39.8
BENCH33John Mabry-2.3
BENCH30Marlon Anderson7.2
BENCH29Roger Cedeno1.7
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP29Matt Morris20.4
SP25Jason Marquis6.8
SP37Woody Williams30.2
SP29Jeff Suppan17.1
SP29Chris Carpenter34.2
RP31Jason Isringhausen13.0
RP36Cal Eldred15.8
RP31Julian Tavarez4.6
RP30Ray King5.3
RP31Steve Kline9.9
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH37Larry Walker72.7
BENCH21Yadier Molina42.1
BULLPEN23Dan Haren35.1
BULLPEN25Rick Ankiel9.1
Comments: The first of a few World Series appearances for the Cardinals this decade, they rode an aging offense surrounding a young megastar in Albert Pujols along with a bunch of “that guy” pitchers to a title before they became a speedbump on the way to arguably the most famous title of this millennium. This offense did have some potent bats though, with Pujols, Rolen and Edmonds starting, and an aging Larry Walker and baby Yadier Molina on the bench. Nobody on the pitching staff really stands out as great, although a young Dan Haren is deep in the pen before becoming one of those guys who was sneaky good for a few years. This was also in the pitching phase of Rick Ankiel’s rather remarkable 2-way career.
Surprised at the WAR of Matheny and Woody Williams.
matheny was apparently just as shitty of a catcher as he is as a manager.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by indiansfan » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:00 pm

Still some of my favorites yet to be ranked, 68 Orioles, 72 A's and the Indians teams in the 90's. Really enjoying this series.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by RonCo » Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:43 pm

Woody Williams was an underrated pitcher. I admit I never really got the Mike Matheny thing even in the day.

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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by DaveB » Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:45 pm

Dington wrote:
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I don’t recall Pedro on Phillies. Crazy.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by DaveB » Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:47 pm

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Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:41 pm
RANK: 51
YEAR: 1979
TEAM: Pittsburgh Pirates
TOP WAR: 499.5
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over Baltimore Orioles
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR499.551
TOP BATTER WAR221.870
TOP PITCHING WAR277.718
TOTAL WAR660.437
TOTAL BATTER WAR288.765
TOTAL PITCHER WAR371.710
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR160.917
GARBAGE BATTER WAR66.944
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR94.08
BATTER AGE28.4044
PITCHER AGE30.2110
TOP BATTER AGE29.2740
TOP PITCHER AGE30.7012
TOP HITTERS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR499.551
TOP BATTER WAR221.870
TOP PITCHING WAR277.718
TOTAL WAR660.437
TOTAL BATTER WAR288.765
TOTAL PITCHER WAR371.710
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR160.917
GARBAGE BATTER WAR66.944
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR94.08
BATTER AGE28.4044
PITCHER AGE30.2110
TOP BATTER AGE29.2740
TOP PITCHER AGE30.7012
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP28Bert Blyleven94.5
SP25John Candelaria41.9
SP29Bruce Kison15.1
SP22Don Robinson17.4
SP36Jim Rooker19.7
RP32Kent Tekulve25.5
RP34Jim Bibby19.4
RP31Enrique Romo6.6
RP36Grant Jackson14.1
RP34Dave Roberts23.5
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN26Rick Rhoden35.4
BENCH35Manny Sanguillen27.6
BULLPEN32Joe Coleman23.2
BULLPEN24Ed Whitson21.2
BENCH31Lee Lacy20.2
BULLPEN34Dock Ellis14.2
BENCH22Dale Berra5.5
Comments: A pretty middling offense (albeit one with some big names in Stargell, Parker and Madlock), this team was carried by their pitching staff which was very deep (even into the spare parts in the pen) and had very few holes. The staff was led by a “he had THAT good of a career” guy in Bert Blyleven, but had some solid backup., Stashed on the bench was a young Dale Berra, best known at the time as the son of Yogi and later the star of the Pittsburgh Drug Trials in the 80s. This was the last hurrah for the pirates before the fell into a decade of struggles prior to a brief resurgence in the early 90s and well we all know what happened after that….
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by RonCo » Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:33 am

Oops. Top hitters is a duplicate.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:00 pm

RonCo wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:33 am
Oops. Top hitters is a duplicate.
oops, edited.
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