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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by RonCo » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:30 pm

1980s Kansas City: Dan Quisenberry was a god at the time. That people don't really remember him as a top name is a shame.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by RonCo » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:36 pm

Three true outcomes be damned, that 1985 St. Louis offense might have been the most exciting offense I've ever seen. I watched a lot of those games. Coleman, McGee, Herr, peak Ozzie, and Andy Van Slyke (who was so much fun to watch).
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by RonCo » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:39 pm

Tony Gwynn was a beautiful baseball player.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by RonCo » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:56 pm

1970s Reds: Bobby Tolan was a great CF. He had this big, beautiful stance with the bat held way over his head. With modern coaching, you probably will never see another one quite like it--or Joe Morgan's chicken wing pump. :)

His son was a prospect until a Texas police office shot him in front of the Tolan home.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by RonCo » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:08 pm

It's also not fair to say the 1970 Red's staff was putrid. Gary Nolan was a stud (until he got hurt). Don Gullett was a stud (until he got hurt..but he was pretty damned good even after, per wiki pitching on four consecutive World Champions) and only 19. Jim Maloney was a stud (until he got hurt). His 158 pitch, 10 walk no-hitter is a classic and was the first of two:

This link is a beautiful example of how fast baseball used to move ... pitch by pitch:

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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

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RANK: 62
YEAR: 2006
TEAM: Detroit Tigers
TOP WAR: 451.7
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series to St Louis Cardinals 4-1
TOTALS:
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Top Offense:
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Top Pitching:
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Comments: One of the teams on this list who can still slide up a couple of spots thanks to a few guys (in this case Verlander and Andrew Miller) still alive and kicking, this Tigers team was a rise from the ashes sort of story after being one of the worst teams in baseball history just a few years before. A few key veteran acquisitions (Pudge Rodriguez and Magglio Ordonez) and a young stud starting an HOF career in Justin Verlander can do wonders for a franchise as this is also one of the most balanced performances on the list. On a different note, put me in the camp of having NO idea that Placido Polanco piled up that good of a career WAR wise.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:45 am

RANK: 61
YEAR: 1989
TEAM: San Francisco Giants
TOP WAR: 453.9
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-0 to Oakland Athletics
TOTALS:
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Comments: An offense with a mix of solid players built around a young star completely ignored by subsequent generations in Will Clark, this Giants squad fought their way through the NL only to get embarrassed by the Athletics in the World Series. Their pitching staff was headlined from a career point of view by an ancient Rick Reuschel and a college of bullpen arms featuring one of the best to ever do it in Goose Gossage. Their deep bench and pen features a surprising mix of respectable players which pushes their total WAR noticeably higher, but alas that is not what we are counting here. Worth noting that Bob Brenly was involved in both the least exciting World Series (this one) and the most exciting (2001) in recent history.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Dington » Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:07 am

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On a different note, put me in the camp of having NO idea that Placido Polanco piled up that good of a career WAR wise.
Umm my thoughts exactly. Wtf. And Andrew Miller much lower than I expected. Same for Pudge.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Dington » Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:11 am

usnspecialist wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:45 am
RANK: 61
YEAR: 1989
TEAM: San Francisco Giants
TOP WAR: 453.9
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-0 to Oakland Athletics
TOTALS:
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Top Offense:
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Top Pitching:
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Others of note:
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Comments: An offense with a mix of solid players built around a young star completely ignored by subsequent generations in Will Clark, this Giants squad fought their way through the NL only to get embarrassed by the Athletics in the World Series. Their pitching staff was headlined from a career point of view by an ancient Rick Reuschel and a college of bullpen arms featuring one of the best to ever do it in Goose Gossage. Their deep bench and pen features a surprising mix of respectable players which pushes their total WAR noticeably higher, but alas that is not what we are counting here. Worth noting that Bob Brenly was involved in both the least exciting World Series (this one) and the most exciting (2001) in recent history.
Didn’t realize bunting accrued so much WAR. At least that is all I remember about Butler.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Jwalk100 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:39 pm

usnspecialist wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:45 am
RANK: 61
YEAR: 1989
TEAM: San Francisco Giants
TOP WAR: 453.9
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-0 to Oakland Athletics
TOTALS:
OVERALL.PNG

Top Offense:
OFFENSE.PNG

Top Pitching:
PITCHING.PNG

Others of note:
OTHERS.PNG

Comments: An offense with a mix of solid players built around a young star completely ignored by subsequent generations in Will Clark, this Giants squad fought their way through the NL only to get embarrassed by the Athletics in the World Series. Their pitching staff was headlined from a career point of view by an ancient Rick Reuschel and a college of bullpen arms featuring one of the best to ever do it in Goose Gossage. Their deep bench and pen features a surprising mix of respectable players which pushes their total WAR noticeably higher, but alas that is not what we are counting here. Worth noting that Bob Brenly was involved in both the least exciting World Series (this one) and the most exciting (2001) in recent history.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:51 am

Ya I need to dig out my lists and finish this. Will retroactively add the teams from 2010-2013 as well (I give a 10 year gap to allow players to add WAR.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:28 pm

RANK: 60
YEAR: 1987
TEAM: Minnesota Twins
TOP WAR:
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over St. Louis Cardinals
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR461.360
TOP BATTER WAR23568
TOP PITCHING WAR226.332
TOTAL WAR607.549
TOTAL BATTER WAR26.773
TOTAL PITCHER WAR346.815
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR146.224
GARBAGE BATTER WAR25.771
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR120.52
BATTER AGE27.9559
PITCHER AGE30.247
TOP BATTER AGE27.9165
TOP PITCHER AGE31.903
TOP HITTING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C29Tim Laudner3.2
1B27Kent Hrbek38.6
2B27Steve Lombardozzi4.4
SS25Greg Gagne26.3
3B28Gary Gaetti42.1
LF29Dan Gladden15.5
CF27Kirby Puckett51.1
RF26Tom Brunansky22
DH34Roy Smalley27.9
BENCH28Randy Bush1.4
BENCH27Al Newman2.5
TOP PITCHING
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP36Bert Blyleven94.5
SP27Frank Viola47
SP27Les Straker3
SP32Mike Smithson6.1
SP42Joe Niekro29.7
RP31Jeff Reardon18.6
RP32Juan Berenguer9.9
RP32George Frazier2.9
RP28Keith Atherton4.4
RP32Dan Schatzeder10.2
OTHERS OF NOTE
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN42Steve Carlton90.2
BENCH38Don Baylor28.5
BENCH25Billy Beane-1.6
Comments: A team with mediocre hitting that read a grizzled shallow pitching staff to a surprise title (the first of two times this franchise can say that), the Twins rode the early HOF career of Kirby Puckett and a respectable but hardly outstanding supporting case and the ancient arm of Bert Blyleven and the wildly underrated Frank Viola. The outrageous pitching garbage WAR is virtually solely due to the Steve Carlton starting 7 games following a midseason acquisition at 42 years old. The bench is so bad that the collective group outside of Don Baylor LOST value, including the now legendary Billy Beane.
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JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by Dington » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:31 pm

usnspecialist wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:28 pm
RANK: 60
YEAR: 1987
TEAM: Minnesota Twins
TOP WAR:
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over St. Louis Cardinals
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR461.360
TOP BATTER WAR23568
TOP PITCHING WAR226.332
TOTAL WAR607.549
TOTAL BATTER WAR26.773
TOTAL PITCHER WAR346.815
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR146.224
GARBAGE BATTER WAR25.771
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR120.52
BATTER AGE27.9559
PITCHER AGE30.247
TOP BATTER AGE27.9165
TOP PITCHER AGE31.903
TOP HITTING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C29Tim Laudner3.2
1B27Kent Hrbek38.6
2B27Steve Lombardozzi4.4
SS25Greg Gagne26.3
3B28Gary Gaetti42.1
LF29Dan Gladden15.5
CF27Kirby Puckett51.1
RF26Tom Brunansky22
DH34Roy Smalley27.9
BENCH28Randy Bush1.4
BENCH27Al Newman2.5
TOP PITCHING
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP36Bert Blyleven94.5
SP27Frank Viola47
SP27Les Straker3
SP32Mike Smithson6.1
SP42Joe Niekro29.7
RP31Jeff Reardon18.6
RP32Juan Berenguer9.9
RP32George Frazier2.9
RP28Keith Atherton4.4
RP32Dan Schatzeder10.2
OTHERS OF NOTE
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN42Steve Carlton90.2
BENCH38Don Baylor28.5
BENCH25Billy Beane-1.6
Comments: A team with mediocre hitting that read a grizzled shallow pitching staff to a surprise title (the first of two times this franchise can say that), the Twins rode the early HOF career of Kirby Puckett and a respectable but hardly outstanding supporting case and the ancient arm of Bert Blyleven and the wildly underrated Frank Viola. The outrageous pitching garbage WAR is virtually solely due to the Steve Carlton starting 7 games following a midseason acquisition at 42 years old. The bench is so bad that the collective group outside of Don Baylor LOST value, including the now legendary Billy Beane.
WOW. I didn’t know Carlton played for the Twins. And crazy that Puckett is HOF with that low of a WAR. Don’t think we will see that low of a WAR get inducted again.
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:33 pm

RANK: 59
YEAR: 1982
TEAM: St. Louis Cardinals
TOP WAR: 464.2
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over Milwaukee Brewers
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR464.259
TOP BATTER WAR321.139
TOP PITCHING WAR135.168
TOTAL WAR540.864
TOTAL BATTER WAR392.146
TOTAL PITCHER WAR148.776
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR76.663
GARBAGE BATTER WAR6347
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR13.664
BATTER AGE27.5864
PITCHER AGE28.2142
TOP BATTER AGE27.1875
TOP PITCHER AGE29.0039
TOP HITTING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C30Darrell Porter40.9
1B28Keith Hernandez60.3
2B26Tom Herr23.5
SS27Ozzie Smith76.9
3B26Ken Oberkfell22.4
LF26Lonnie Smith38.5
CF23Willie McGee34.2
RF32George Hendrick29.1
BENCH28Mike Ramsey-1.3
BENCH32Dane Iorg0.3
BENCH21David Green4.3
TOP PITCHING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP29Joaquin Andujar16.1
SP32Bob Forsch24.6
SP27Steve Mura1.0
SP25John Stuper1.4
RP29Bruce Sutter24
RP22Dave LaPoint7.1
RP32Doug Bair6.8
RP43Jim Kaat50.5
RP25Jeff Lahti2.7
RP26John Martin0.9
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH35Gene Tenace46.8
BENCH34Steve Braun17.4
Comments: A pretty solid and balanced offense full of guys in their primes with no real holes beyond the depth (which was virtually non-existent). Cardinals fans might see red at the sight of Dane Iorg, who would more famously get his 2nd ring 3 years later as a member of the Royals after being involved in THAT play. The pitching staff here is nothing to write home about, Forsch and Andujar were solid and Jim Kaat was old but other than it was mediocrity at its finest. Still good enough to get a ring at the end of the day though.
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JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:43 pm

Dington wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:31 pm
usnspecialist wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:28 pm
RANK: 60
YEAR: 1987
TEAM: Minnesota Twins
TOP WAR:
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over St. Louis Cardinals
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR461.360
TOP BATTER WAR23568
TOP PITCHING WAR226.332
TOTAL WAR607.549
TOTAL BATTER WAR26.773
TOTAL PITCHER WAR346.815
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR146.224
GARBAGE BATTER WAR25.771
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR120.52
BATTER AGE27.9559
PITCHER AGE30.247
TOP BATTER AGE27.9165
TOP PITCHER AGE31.903
TOP HITTING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C29Tim Laudner3.2
1B27Kent Hrbek38.6
2B27Steve Lombardozzi4.4
SS25Greg Gagne26.3
3B28Gary Gaetti42.1
LF29Dan Gladden15.5
CF27Kirby Puckett51.1
RF26Tom Brunansky22
DH34Roy Smalley27.9
BENCH28Randy Bush1.4
BENCH27Al Newman2.5
TOP PITCHING
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP36Bert Blyleven94.5
SP27Frank Viola47
SP27Les Straker3
SP32Mike Smithson6.1
SP42Joe Niekro29.7
RP31Jeff Reardon18.6
RP32Juan Berenguer9.9
RP32George Frazier2.9
RP28Keith Atherton4.4
RP32Dan Schatzeder10.2
OTHERS OF NOTE
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN42Steve Carlton90.2
BENCH38Don Baylor28.5
BENCH25Billy Beane-1.6
Comments: A team with mediocre hitting that read a grizzled shallow pitching staff to a surprise title (the first of two times this franchise can say that), the Twins rode the early HOF career of Kirby Puckett and a respectable but hardly outstanding supporting case and the ancient arm of Bert Blyleven and the wildly underrated Frank Viola. The outrageous pitching garbage WAR is virtually solely due to the Steve Carlton starting 7 games following a midseason acquisition at 42 years old. The bench is so bad that the collective group outside of Don Baylor LOST value, including the now legendary Billy Beane.
WOW. I didn’t know Carlton played for the Twins. And crazy that Puckett is HOF with that low of a WAR. Don’t think we will see that low of a WAR get inducted again.
Harold Baines (38.8), Tony Oliva (43.0), Gil Hodges (43.8) were elected by the veterans committee and Jim Rice (47.7) went in on his last normal ballot since puckett was elected, but ya that is it on the offensive side. I think he got a little credit for having to retire early, but still weird to see him as a first ballot guy with over 80% of the vote.
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JL Southern- 34
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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:03 pm

RANK: 58
YEAR: 2005
TEAM: Houston Astros
TOP WAR: 467.7
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-0 to Chicago White Sox
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR467.758
TOP BATTER WAR179.777
TOP PITCHING WAR28817
TOTAL WAR586.654
TOTAL BATTER WAR274.571
TOTAL PITCHER WAR312.125
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR118.939
GARBAGE BATTER WAR94.827
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR24.154
BATTER AGE30.0012
PITCHER AGE30.247
TOP BATTER AGE30.8212
TOP PITCHER AGE29.7027
TOP HITTING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C36Brad Ausmus16.5
1B29Lance Berkman52
2B39Craig Biggio65.5
SS28Adam Everett12.6
3B29Morgan Ensberg13.8
LF25Chris Burke-1.2
CF23Willy Taveras5.1
RF28Jason Lane1.8
BENCH29Mike Lamb4
BENCH36Orlando Palmeiro2.6
BENCH37Jose Vizcaino7
TOP PITCHING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP27Roy Oswalt50
SP33Andy Petitte60.2
SP42Roger Clemens139.2
SP27Brandon Backe2.5
SP26Wandy Rodriguez13.2
RP25Ezquiel Astacio-1.3
RP28Brad Lidge7.9
RP26Chad Qualls5.8
RP27Dan Wheeler7.8
RP36Russ Springer2.7
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH37Jeff Bagwell79.9
BULLPEN44John Franco23.4
BENCH27Luke Scott11.8
Comments: Had Jeff Bagwell taken 82 more at-bats this team would have been 20 spots higher and in the top 40, but alas he was basically a shell of himself by the end (although still better than Vizcaino), so he only played in 39 games that year. This team was full of OLD guys who just knew how to play baseball. Unfortunately they were on the wrong end of arguably the most competitive sweep in baseball history as their star studded roster consisting of 2 HOFers (bagwell and biggio), 3 Hall of Very Good guys (Berkman, Oswalt, Petitte) and Roger Clemens fell to a bunch of random guys from Chicago.
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Des Moines Kernels: 52-

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JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
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RANK: 57
YEAR: 1971
TEAM: Pittsburgh Pirates
TOP WAR: 468.4
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over Baltimore Orioles
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR468.457
TOP BATTER WAR332.238
TOP PITCHING WAR136.267
TOTAL WAR596.652
TOTAL BATTER WAR435.733
TOTAL PITCHER WAR160.970
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR128.231
GARBAGE BATTER WAR103.522
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR24.752
BATTER AGE26.4079
PITCHER AGE27.8051
TOP BATTER AGE27.5572
TOP PITCHER AGE28.2050
TOP HITTING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C27Manny Sanguillen27.6
1B24Bob Robertson9.4
2B23Dave Cash25.6
SS30Gene Alley24.2
3B23Richie Hebner33
LF31Willie Stargell57.5
CF24Al Oliver43.7
RF36Roberto Clemente94.8
BENCH31Vic Davalillo15.8
BENCH24Gene Clines4.5
BENCH30Jackie Hernandez-3.9
TOP PITCHING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP29Steve Blass7.4
SP26Dock Ellis14.2
SP28Bob Johnson6.4
SP27Luke Walker2.8
SP23Bob Moose7.6
SP21Bruce Kison15.1
RP31Dive Giusti18.8
RP27Nelson Briles20.9
RP35Mudcat Grant21.1
RP35Bob Veale21.9
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH34Bill Mazeroski36.5
BENCH22Richie Zisk25.1
BULLPEN32Bob Miller16.7
BENCH20Milt May16.5
BENCH20Rennie Stennett13.9
Comments: The last hurrah for Roberto Clemente before his unfortunate plane crash just over a year later, he was part of a very very good outfield with HOFers on the corner, and young Al Oliver in center who was no slouch himself. In fact the entire lineup was loaded with guys who knew how to hit a baseball and do their jobs very well, which is more than could be said for the starting rotation. How a rotation like THAT was good enough to win a world series requires dipping into some of Dock Ellis cocaine and LSD collection. I cant think of another situation where all 4 bullpen guys (6 guys on this team started more games than they entered in relief) had better careers than any of the starters. The “others” on this roster have a HOFer (albeit dubiously) in Bill Maseroski and some respectable baby bats.
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:47 pm

RANK: 56
YEAR: 1991
TEAM: Atlanta Braves
TOP WAR: 469.0
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to Minnesota Twins
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR46956
TOP BATTER WAR204.574
TOP PITCHING WAR264.521
TOTAL WAR600.951
TOTAL BATTER WAR246.576
TOTAL PITCHER WAR354.413
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR131.929
GARBAGE BATTER WAR4258
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR89.99
BATTER AGE27.5267
PITCHER AGE28.6532
TOP BATTER AGE28.6450
TOP PITCHER AGE27.5063
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C30Greg Olson2.2
1B30Sid Bream11.1
2B28Jeff Treadway6.1
SS29Rafael Belliard-0.2
3B30Terry Pendleton28.5
LF35Lonnie Smith38.5
CF26Ron Gant34.1
RF25David Justice40.6
BENCH32Otis Nixon16.6
BENCH25Jeff Blauser20.9
BENCH25Mark Lemke6.1
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP25Tom Glavine80.7
SP34Charlie Leibrandt33.3
SP24John Smoltz69.0
SP21Steve Avery13.8
SP36Juan Berenguer9.9
RP24Mike Stanton14.3
RP23Kent Mercker12.0
RP28Marvin Freeman6.0
RP35Jim Clancy20.5
RP25Pete Smith5.0
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN37Rick Mahler20.2
BENCH23Vinny Castilla19.4
BULLPEN32Dan Petry17.1
BULLPEN32Alejandro Pena15.4
BENCH36Mike Heath13.4
BENCH23Deion Sanders5.5
BULLPEN21Mark Wohlers3.9
Comments: The first edition of the Atlanta Braves dynasty on this list, this is the edition of the Braves who were the “first” of the worst to first edition relied on a great top half of the rotation, a solid outfield and some good ole fashioned smoke and mirrors for the rest. Special mention goes out to Lonnie Smith for winning his 4th pennant with his 4 organization (he would win another with the Braves in 1992), although this was his first World Series loss. Some interesting names stashed deep on the roster, including a pre Coors Field Vinny Castilla, a pre CU Buffalo Deion Sanders and a young fire baller in Mark Wohlers who would play bigger roles for the Braves later in the decade. The high garbage pitcher WAR is (unlike most at the top of that category) not due to a legend who barely got any time for whatever reason, but due instead to a bunch of relatively anonymous guys who had decent careers.
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Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:24 pm

RANK: 55
YEAR: 1982
TEAM: Milwaukee Brewers
TOP WAR: 474.2
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to St Louis Cardinals
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR474.255
TOP BATTER WAR365.425
TOP PITCHING WAR108.877
TOTAL WAR614.248
TOTAL BATTER WAR394.145
TOTAL PITCHER WAR220.150
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR14026
GARBAGE BATTER WAR28.770
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR111.34
BATTER AGE28.7238
PITCHER AGE29.8014
TOP BATTER AGE29.9126
TOP PITCHER AGE30.0023
TOP HITTERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
C32Ted Simmons50.3
1B32Cecil Cooper36
2B29Jim Gantner22.4
SS26Robin Yount77.3
3B25Paul Molitor75.7
LF33Ben Ogilvie26.4
CF31Gorman Thomas19.8
RF29Charlie Moore10.3
DH28Ray Howell10.9
BENCH35Don Money36.5
BENCH29Marshall Edwards-0.2
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP33Mike Caldwell18.4
SP29Pete Vuckovich16.4
SP26Moose Haas17.3
SP30Bob McClure10.5
SP27Randy Lerch-2.1
RP35Rollie Fingers25.6
RP32Jim Slaton17.3
RP30Dwight Bernard-0.5
RP29Jerry Augustine4.2
RP29Jamie Easterly1.7
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BULLPEN37Don Sutton66.7
BULLPEN25Doug Jones21.4
BULLPEN33Doc Medich19.6
BENCH23Kevin Bass14.8
BENCH27Ned Yost-3.7
Comments: The first and still only appearance of the Brew Crew in the World Series gives us a fairly middle of the road team. The obvious stars here are Yount and Molitor at the very beginning of their careers, but there were a total of 5 Hall of Famers on this team (Yount, Molitor, Sutton, Simmons and Fingers). There wasn’t a true weak link in the lineup or in the playoff rotation, as this team pushed their future division mates in the Cardinals (yes Milwaukee used to be in the AL kiddies!!) to 7 games before getting #yosted and falling. The pitching staff had the Cy Young Winner that season in Pete Vuckovich, who within 7 years became far better known for being the evil Clu Haywood in the classic movie Major League.
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Ranking the Pennant Winners

Post by usnspecialist » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:50 pm

RANK:54
YEAR: 2006
TEAM: St Louis Cardinals
TOP WAR: 478.5
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-1 over Detroit Tigers
TOTALS:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR478.5564
TOP BATTER WAR318.445
TOP PITCHING WAR160.162
TOTAL WAR536.565
TOTAL BATTER WAR354.954
TOTAL PITCHER WAR181.663
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR5870
GARBAGE BATTER WAR36.562
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR21.555
BATTER AGE29.8618
PITCHER AGE28.2641
TOP BATTER AGE29.6430
TOP PITCHER AGE28.6044
TOP OFFENSE:
CATEGORYTOTALRANK
TOP TOTAL WAR478.5564
TOP BATTER WAR318.445
TOP PITCHING WAR160.162
TOTAL WAR536.565
TOTAL BATTER WAR354.954
TOTAL PITCHER WAR181.663
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR5870
GARBAGE BATTER WAR36.562
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR21.555
BATTER AGE29.8618
PITCHER AGE28.2641
TOP BATTER AGE29.6430
TOP PITCHER AGE28.6044
TOP PITCHING:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
SP31Chris Carpenter34.2
SP27Jason Marquis6.8
SP31Jeff Suppan17.1
SP28Mark Mulder20.0
SP24Anthony Reyes0.0
SP29Jeff Weaver15.2
RP33Jason Isringhausen13.0
RP28Josh Hancock0.7
RP24Adam Wainwright44.9
RP31Braden Looper8.2
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITIONAGENAMEWAR
BENCH31Ronnie Belliard20.8
BULLPEN29Sidney Ponson11.1
BENCH26Skip Schumacher6.4
Comments: The worst team (by regular season won/loss record) to win the world series at 83-78, this Cardinals team had some serious talent on it however. 2 HOF (or will be) HOF guys in Pujols/Rolen, 2 guys that many people can make a case for in Jim Edmonds and (less so) Yadier Molina and 2 pitchers you might be surprised to see that low in Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter. Toss in former stud and future celebrity golf extraordinaire Mark Mulder and the ultimate 21st century grinder in David Eckstein and you have a respectable team that was probably better than their record indicated. That being said, if you were not one of those names, mentioned above, there is a decent chance you were a scrub who was lucky to be on a big league starting lineup….
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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