HOF Pyramid
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HOF Pyramid
Interesting to see a real life version of this, since I know we had one in the Brewster at some point. Author admits it is purely objective in nature, but still an interesting read.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_ ... amer-tiers
Might need to be ESPN+/Insider (same thing now) to read it.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_ ... amer-tiers
Might need to be ESPN+/Insider (same thing now) to read it.
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Re: HOF Pyramid
Nice.
I have every intention of using Chris's prior work to do some kind of tiers again.
I have every intention of using Chris's prior work to do some kind of tiers again.
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Re: HOF Pyramid
It’s been said before but what a trash class
Baines? Lee Smith? Above average yeah, far from great
Then... A closer? A DH?
May as well put in the bat boys and the clubhouse man
Clemens and Bonds still not in?
I’m not a fan of either, but wow, it makes a joke of the Hall
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Baines? Lee Smith? Above average yeah, far from great
Then... A closer? A DH?
May as well put in the bat boys and the clubhouse man
Clemens and Bonds still not in?
I’m not a fan of either, but wow, it makes a joke of the Hall
All time worst induction class at first glance -
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Re: HOF Pyramid
Those are just veteran committee guys, the main ballot inductees haven't been announced yet.felipe wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:18 pmIt’s been said before but what a trash class
Baines? Lee Smith? Above average yeah, far from great
Then... A closer? A DH?
May as well put in the bat boys and the clubhouse man
Clemens and Bonds still not in?
I’m not a fan of either, but wow, it makes a joke of the Hall
All time worst induction class at first glance -
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: HOF Pyramid
I agree with you on Baines, but c'mon, Edgar deserves it for sure.felipe wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:18 pmIt’s been said before but what a trash class
Baines? Lee Smith? Above average yeah, far from great
Then... A closer? A DH?
May as well put in the bat boys and the clubhouse man
Clemens and Bonds still not in?
I’m not a fan of either, but wow, it makes a joke of the Hall
All time worst induction class at first glance -
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Re: HOF Pyramid
It's Bill Simmons' idea and he did it in his Book of Basketball where he ranked the NBA HOF.
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Re: HOF Pyramid
O I know, I love the idea. He needs to do an update though.
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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Re: HOF Pyramid
So now we are inducting another DH/non-baseball player into the hof (little letters intentional) and a "user." Since, being an actual baseball player and not just someone that can hit pretty well, is all that is needed and since nobody cares about the authenticity of the game itself, then maybe we should just go ahead and put Pete Rose in the hof....I mean who care if he bet on baseball when the players that cheated the game are getting in? I'm going to start my own hof campaign: "Put Steve Howe on the ballot!" I mean, let's just not have any parameters that matter; Steve Howe was only suspended from baseball a few times for his drug use (I mean MLB took away 5 years of his career for meaningless bans apparently); bring in the cheaters and the non-baseball players. Who cares right? I still wonder how "fatman" Mo Vaughn fell off the ballot...
Rant over. I don't watch MLB anyway; I don't know why I care. I do know, but se la vi.
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I have a weird sliding scale on PEDs, though I’m not sure exactly when the scale moves from yes, he’s in to no he’s not. My thought is that in the early days, the structure of baseball was complicit, meaning that baseball itself knew it was going on, but did nothing to stop it and continued to pay people to win at all coast—which means everyone from the commissioner’s office down authorized it. It’s hard to penalize guys for it in that environment
When the league got serious about enforcing and penalizing the use of PEDs, then (in my mind), the situation changes. At this point (and since you can now pick your own time period, you can see why my inflection point is hard to pin down), the players are the culprits.
So, Bonds and Clemens get a pass because they were on the front end. Guys on the late end, I probably wouldn’t vote for. I note Bonds, and probably Clemens, too, had HoF numbers before the whole PED thing … so there’s that. I suspect they will get in at the end of the day, and to be honest I have no issue with the writers waiting on them until later in their eligibility. That’s a fair enough penalty in this weird mess of a HoF that we have.
Anyway, I wouldn’t tell anyone else that they need to view things my way regarding the steroid thing. But after a long time of thinking about the whole PED thing, that’s where I come out.
When the league got serious about enforcing and penalizing the use of PEDs, then (in my mind), the situation changes. At this point (and since you can now pick your own time period, you can see why my inflection point is hard to pin down), the players are the culprits.
So, Bonds and Clemens get a pass because they were on the front end. Guys on the late end, I probably wouldn’t vote for. I note Bonds, and probably Clemens, too, had HoF numbers before the whole PED thing … so there’s that. I suspect they will get in at the end of the day, and to be honest I have no issue with the writers waiting on them until later in their eligibility. That’s a fair enough penalty in this weird mess of a HoF that we have.
Anyway, I wouldn’t tell anyone else that they need to view things my way regarding the steroid thing. But after a long time of thinking about the whole PED thing, that’s where I come out.
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And Rose, as much as I loved watching him play, wouldn't be on my fake ballot because he broke the only real rule baseball had at the time.
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