15 things I loved about Into the Spider-Verse
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:45 pm
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Award shows are a joke. Take whatever is at the front of social consciousness, parlay it into a movie, win an award. Is the movie better than the other movies that don't have the oppressed group or hot button social topic of the day? Doesn't matter. You pandered to the mob. Here's a trophy. (Please don't confuse my lack of respect for the Oscars and other awards shows with a lack of concern and respect for the issues that plague our society.)
Not that i don't disagree with you in general, but the Oscars this year actually managed to screw up the hot button social issue of the day by giving green book best picture (a movie that pretty well blunders the issue of race relations and waa written by a guy who promoted racist 9/11 conspiracy theories on Twitter). Also spiderverse won best animated movie, about as non controversial a category as you can have lol.Ted wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:40 amAward shows are a joke. Take whatever is at the front of social consciousness, parlay it into a movie, win an award. Is the movie better than the other movies that don't have the oppressed group or hot button social topic of the day? Doesn't matter. You pandered to the mob. Here's a trophy. (Please don't confuse my lack of respect for the Oscars and other awards shows with a lack of concern and respect for the issues that plague our society.)
I agree with you but this won for animated movie. In most cases, there is a clear winner with like 4 other candidates. And you've probably never heard of the other 2. Definitely the case this year.Ted wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:40 amAward shows are a joke. Take whatever is at the front of social consciousness, parlay it into a movie, win an award. Is the movie better than the other movies that don't have the oppressed group or hot button social topic of the day? Doesn't matter. You pandered to the mob. Here's a trophy. (Please don't confuse my lack of respect for the Oscars and other awards shows with a lack of concern and respect for the issues that plague our society.)
I think you more or less proved my point. They're idiots. I suppose the current version is better than the hipster 90's and early 2000 oscars where if you've heard of it, it couldn't win. Now we have a mix of that and the social hot button stuff. I probably picked a rather non controversial pick as my time to yell at clouds.usnspecialist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:55 amNot that i don't disagree with you in general, but the Oscars this year actually managed to screw up the hot button social issue of the day by giving green book best picture (a movie that pretty well blunders the issue of race relations and waa written by a guy who promoted racist 9/11 conspiracy theories on Twitter). Also spiderverse won best animated movie, about as non controversial a category as you can have lol.Ted wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:40 amAward shows are a joke. Take whatever is at the front of social consciousness, parlay it into a movie, win an award. Is the movie better than the other movies that don't have the oppressed group or hot button social topic of the day? Doesn't matter. You pandered to the mob. Here's a trophy. (Please don't confuse my lack of respect for the Oscars and other awards shows with a lack of concern and respect for the issues that plague our society.)
Full disclosure, I didn't see either (yet. They'll both be on netflix someday. I've heard good things about both), but I'll guess that the deciding factor (and only factor) was that one had multiracial spidermans that could stoke the hopes and dreams of the childrens everywhere, and the other was about a white family with super powers.
This is a reasonable lens to look at it through--especially when you take into account the voting block for the Oscars is a highly feminist group.
I personally enjoyed both movies very much. On top of the female empowerment part of the Incredibles, I just felt like it had much more hype beforehand and even after since it basically captured folks who had seen the first Incredibles move in 04 or whatever year it was and were now taking their kids so the box office numbers were over $1 billion for The Incredibles compared to quite a bit lower(not sure the actual number) for Spiderman. It was quite an upset for me in my head based on how popular the movies were. Granted, I do agree both were very well done movies. I personally could have even see Wreck It Ralph take the Oscar for some odd reason as that one was well done as well in my head.RonCo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:52 amThis is a reasonable lens to look at it through--especially when you take into account the voting block for the Oscars is a highly feminist group.
Realize that, to the general public, Spiderman--beyond being beautifully done (it's technical detail is an amazing homage to old comics, an artistic element that puts it above the crowd all on its own) was a also full of very new ideas and highly inventive. Incredibles, as great as it is, is considerably more conventional. Spiderman is essentially a generational art. Everything that comes thereafter will be derivative. It's also a great story, if hit all the buttons of its core fanbase, and yes, it hits lots of socially conscious buttons. As Michael Caine said in Miss Congeniality, "You can't beat that."
You're right, though, Spiderman beat out a very well done, highly successful film that included female empowerment at its core. Make of that what you will.
The politics of an award (and by that I do not mean the social elements generally being discussed here) are often very deep and multi-layered. Box office is an indicator, but not a big one. Rotten Tomato public rating is an indicator, but not a big one. The Academy Awards are given out by a group of professional insiders. That means they have a culture that looks at the question of "what is best" in ways that take into account all the things we take into account, but they weight them differently and then they add more of their own views, relationships, and artistic perspectives.niles08 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:00 pm
I personally enjoyed both movies very much. On top of the female empowerment part of the Incredibles, I just felt like it had much more hype beforehand and even after since it basically captured folks who had seen the first Incredibles move in 04 or whatever year it was and were now taking their kids so the box office numbers were over $1 billion for The Incredibles compared to quite a bit lower(not sure the actual number) for Spiderman. It was quite an upset for me in my head based on how popular the movies were. Granted, I do agree both were very well done movies. I personally could have even see Wreck It Ralph take the Oscar for some odd reason as that one was well done as well in my head.
This is fair. I actually typed up a really long winded response about my fears about how embattled groups become more tribal which then leads to more racism and bigotry, and how as a society we are buying into this as okay. "Whatever is good for the group that I have decided is the good guys must be right". For example, the very liberal leaning friends I have who have echoed many social media and actual media outlets who think Bernie (not a guy I would vote for, by the way, if you're trying to see agenda in my comments) shouldn't run again because he is old and white (their words), and there are young, female, or brown potential candidates and they would be better because they are young, female or brown (my assumption based on their words). The apparent acceptance of the hypocrisy being racist and bigoted in a fight to be less racist and bigoted by our society is jarring and frightening to me. "Movies that push social agendas are better than movies that don't because they promote certain ethnicities, cultures, or behaviors", is how this gets to the Oscars. But really awards shows are a small thing. They've always been silly. IN the late 90's, early 200's it was "the award goes to the movie the least people have seen!" Back to the more important issue, I understand why we are here. Humans are what humans are. It's just very concerning to me.