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Post by GoldenOne » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:47 am

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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by GoldenOne » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:38 am

Can someone explain the stadium dues to me? The tracker show my stadium dues as 5.36M but in the columns to the right, it shows 4.86M. If the stadium was just built in 2033, are those fees the building costs spread out over the years? If so, how many years does that go through? Where is that 500k difference that it shows for future years?

My bonus funds from the end of 2033 show that I was $2,227,958 in the hole. I'm not sure what that number looked like at the end of 2034 (I took over mid 2034.) Definitely not sure where I stand now for 2035. Should I be expecting to use some PPs at the end of this season to cover my stadium fees, etc? It doesnt look like my final balance for the season is going to be over 20M so there wont be anything from that feeding into Bonus Funds to cover those costs.
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by Lane » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:47 am

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Can someone explain the stadium dues to me? The tracker show my stadium dues as 5.36M but in the columns to the right, it shows 4.86M. If the stadium was just built in 2033, are those fees the building costs spread out over the years? If so, how many years does that go through? Where is that 500k difference that it shows for future years?

My bonus funds from the end of 2033 show that I was $2,227,958 in the hole. I'm not sure what that number looked like at the end of 2034 (I took over mid 2034.) Definitely not sure where I stand now for 2035. Should I be expecting to use some PPs at the end of this season to cover my stadium fees, etc? It doesnt look like my final balance for the season is going to be over 20M so there wont be anything from that feeding into Bonus Funds to cover those costs.
I think the 500k difference is the cost to maintain the grass field. The construction cost should be spread over 10 years. To pay the stadium fees, it can come out of in game cash, or PP.

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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by GoldenOne » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:00 am

Lane wrote:
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I think the 500k difference is the cost to maintain the grass field. The construction cost should be spread over 10 years. To pay the stadium fees, it can come out of in game cash, or PP.

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Maybe I was looking at this the wrong way then? The 4.86M annucally is the cost of the stadium and the extra 500k is grass maintenance? For some reason I was thinking the 5.36M was the fees and the 500k was being subtracted. So, I shouyld expect that 5.36M annually through 2043. Got it. And, if my current in-game cash (Final Balance, based on Ron's spreadsheet) is projected to be around $15.77M, that $15.77M would carry over as my in-game cash starting next season and the $5.36M would come out of that to start off next season?
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by Lane » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:03 am

I'm not sure on exactly what date the stadium fees will be deducted, but essentially yes that's correct.
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by RonCo » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:03 am

The spreadsheet isn't quite designed to show the difference. You're spending $4.86M/year in construction costs because Ben chose the lay-away plan. So there's $5M/year off the top of your revenue stream.

Here's the thread where he did it: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=22318
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by Lane » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:04 am

RonCo wrote:
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The spreadsheet isn't quite designed to show the difference. You're spending $4.86M/year in construction costs because Ben chose the lay-away plan. So there's $5M/year off the top of your revenue stream.

Here's the thread where he did it: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=22318
I was just gonna link to that. :hi5:
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:14 am

Basically you are getting hosed because ben wasn't really in position to move (as shown by having such a big layaway plan), and then bailed pretty much immediately after leaving his successors to hold the bag.
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by GoldenOne » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:22 pm

Well, at least the team is in good shape! :doh:
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by GoldenOne » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:58 pm

So, just to make sure, one more time, I am tracking this correctly -

In-game I currently show a Starting Balance for 2036 as $14,175,697. On Opening Day of this season, since I have zero Bonus Funds/Cash, $5.36M will come out of that $14.1M.

So, in order to "balance" out my stadium fees, and keep my 2036 budget where it currently is, I should use my 40 remaining PPs to add to my Cash, correct?
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by Lane » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:13 pm

GoldenOne wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:58 pm
So, just to make sure, one more time, I am tracking this correctly -

In-game I currently show a Starting Balance for 2036 as $14,175,697. On Opening Day of this season, since I have zero Bonus Funds/Cash, $5.36M will come out of that $14.1M.

So, in order to "balance" out my stadium fees, and keep my 2036 budget where it currently is, I should use my 40 remaining PPs to add to my Cash, correct?
Aaron or Ron will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm nearly sure that a reduction in your cash on hand will not reduce your budget.

Now, if you're saying you want to keep your cash around $14MM then it sounds like you're on the right track.
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by GoldenOne » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:27 pm

Lane wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:13 pm
GoldenOne wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:58 pm
So, just to make sure, one more time, I am tracking this correctly -

In-game I currently show a Starting Balance for 2036 as $14,175,697. On Opening Day of this season, since I have zero Bonus Funds/Cash, $5.36M will come out of that $14.1M.

So, in order to "balance" out my stadium fees, and keep my 2036 budget where it currently is, I should use my 40 remaining PPs to add to my Cash, correct?
Aaron or Ron will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm nearly sure that a reduction in your cash on hand will not reduce your budget.

Now, if you're saying you want to keep your cash around $14MM then it sounds like you're on the right track.
Yes, I think I misspoke a little. My budget is $95M for 2036. However, the balance I had at the end of 2035 was that $14.1M. So, if I am reading this right, my Projected Revenue is Gate, Season Tickets, Media, and Merch (prob not looking at Playoff cash again this year.) Then its minus Player and Staff Expenses, Draft, IFAs, etc. So, if at the end of the season, that Revenue is less than my Expenses, the difference will come out of that $14.1M, which has an affect on the budget my owner will give me for 2037?

So, say I wanted to grab a FA for $2M for 2037. That would put me over my owner's budget by $1.8M (but still under the league cap.) That $1.8M would come out of the $14.1 which could quite possibly drop my 2037 budget some. I have, I think it was Ron's spreadsheet, to give me an idea of all of that, but I just want to make sure I am paying attention correctly.

And also, since I have zero Bonus Funds, the $5.3M for stadium fees will come out of the $14.1M?
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:28 pm

Yes, removing cash will not change your budget at all.

It will reduce the total amount you can spend this year, however. You can always spend your cash + your budget. This is because your budget is essentially what your owner thinks you're going to bring in with revenue. So:

Nashville Budget: $95M
Nashville Cash: $14.1M (prior to stadium fees)

Says that for 2036 you can spend $109.1M in all managed expenses (staff, players, IFA, draft picks, etc. Taking out stadium fees of $5.36M, you'll have only $103.7M to spend on these items in 2036 unless you buy cash to fill in the gap. Note that if you spend PPT to get even more cash, then you'll be able to spend more than $109M this year. That won't let you make long-term extensions, but it would help you be able to spend things on this-season expenses (sign draft picks and IFAs if you go those routes).
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:32 pm

GoldenOne wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:27 pm

Yes, I think I misspoke a little. My budget is $95M for 2036. However, the balance I had at the end of 2035 was that $14.1M. So, if I am reading this right, my Projected Revenue is Gate, Season Tickets, Media, and Merch (prob not looking at Playoff cash again this year.) Then its minus Player and Staff Expenses, Draft, IFAs, etc. So, if at the end of the season, that Revenue is less than my Expenses, the difference will come out of that $14.1M, which has an affect on the budget my owner will give me for 2037?

So, say I wanted to grab a FA for $2M for 2037. That would put me over my owner's budget by $1.8M (but still under the league cap.) That $1.8M would come out of the $14.1 which could quite possibly drop my 2037 budget some. I have, I think it was Ron's spreadsheet, to give me an idea of all of that, but I just want to make sure I am paying attention correctly.

And also, since I have zero Bonus Funds, the $5.3M for stadium fees will come out of the $14.1M?
Your owner will not allow you to extend offers to players in 2037 that put you over his budget. This is why it's valuable to not have big team/player options hanging out there at times, and why buying cash is not really a help to Free Agency signings unless you intend to front-load a contract in year one.
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:33 pm

The salary cap is meaningless to you if your budget is not at least $110M (except that it keeps big teams from running away while you get your act together).
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:42 pm

GoldenOne wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:27 pm
Yes, I think I misspoke a little. My budget is $95M for 2036. However, the balance I had at the end of 2035 was that $14.1M. So, if I am reading this right, my Projected Revenue is Gate, Season Tickets, Media, and Merch (prob not looking at Playoff cash again this year.) Then its minus Player and Staff Expenses, Draft, IFAs, etc. So, if at the end of the season, that Revenue is less than my Expenses, the difference will come out of that $14.1M, which has an affect on the budget my owner will give me for 2037?
And, no. This is a common misconception (I think!) among OOTP GMs. Your owner is really not _that_ interested in your profit and loss this year. What they are interested in is your revenue stream. With very little deviation your budget next year will be your revenue this year. And that is always revenue not counting playoffs (because your owner will never assume you make the playoffs).

This will cause people to get upset at times because they will "make money" by cutting expenses to the bone. They'll "make money" by cutting so far that the team's revenue is guaranteed to be more than expenses...then the boss will cut their budget (because revenue fell) and the GM will get pissed because he says "hell, man, I made you a profit!"

If you lose money all the time, of course, you're in trouble anyway. And making a profit is generally helpful for a lot of reasons, but it doesn't do anything to your future budget unless that profit comes from expanded revenue before Playoff cash is added.
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Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:43 pm

You can see that clearly in the spreadsheet you referenced.
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:47 pm

You can also see it by looking at the current Financial report (wher our new budgets are listed against last year's total revenue...http://montybrewster.net/BBA/HTML/news/ ... eport.html

The Playoff teams don't convert (because "revenue" on this report includes playoff cash.

The one caveat to the revenue stream projection is if your media revenue bumps, too. The owner will take that into account. So, really, next year's budget = last year's revenue + any change to media contracts going forward.
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by GoldenOne » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:47 pm

RonCo wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:32 pm

Your owner will not allow you to extend offers to players in 2037 that put you over his budget. This is why it's valuable to not have big team/player options hanging out there at times, and why buying cash is not really a help to Free Agency signings unless you intend to front-load a contract in year one.
No issues at all for 2037 budget. But, I could get under a little bit this season if I dont use the $1M on IFA. However, picking where I am picking in the draft*** I can probably expect to use up that $5M projected for the draft pretty quickly, so between that and the stadium fees, using my PPTs for cash isnt sounding like a bad idea right now, unless I am missing something.


*** Regarding the Draft - was it ever determined what the order would be for this year? How are the Expansion teams being figured into determining that order? Picking #1 or picking #3 should have an affect on how much I will need to think about for signing my draft picks this season.
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Re: 2034-2035 Offseason Bonus Funds Tracker and Stadium Dues

Post by GoldenOne » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:50 pm

RonCo wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:42 pm

And, no. This is a common misconception (I think!) among OOTP GMs. Your owner is really not _that_ interested in your profit and loss this year. What they are interested in is your revenue stream. With very little deviation your budget next year will be your revenue this year. And that is always revenue not counting playoffs (because your owner will never assume you make the playoffs).

This will cause people to get upset at times because they will "make money" by cutting expenses to the bone. They'll "make money" by cutting so far that the team's revenue is guaranteed to be more than expenses...then the boss will cut their budget (because revenue fell) and the GM will get pissed because he says "hell, man, I made you a profit!"

If you lose money all the time, of course, you're in trouble anyway. And making a profit is generally helpful for a lot of reasons, but it doesn't do anything to your future budget unless that profit comes from expanded revenue before Playoff cash is added.
So then Fan Loyalty and Fan Interest are fairly important? Along with figuring out the right mix of FI and season ticket costs. Of course, a winning team will also bring in the fans so that would help.
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