San Fernando-Nashville
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Re: San Fernando-Nashville
Right. If you have only one value to look at, range would be it. But defense is much more than range. And 8 will play as short well enough, especially if the other sidecars are good. A 7 will play league average or a touch below if the sidecars are good. A 6 range probably can't play shortstop in any effective fashion in the longterm regardless.
But, of course, you'd like a 9 or 10 with great sidecars.
Those "must be a 9 or 10 range to play" comments are useful as simple rules of thumb that deviation is made from in a considered fashion.
But, of course, you'd like a 9 or 10 with great sidecars.
Those "must be a 9 or 10 range to play" comments are useful as simple rules of thumb that deviation is made from in a considered fashion.
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Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Stromberg.
-Garcia is 22 and only halfway to his potential power. My guess is they both end up with 6 or 7 power. Maybe one is higher then other, but close enough to call it a wash.
-Stromberg has 11 errors and Garcia 9(low 9 I'm guessing from statistical history). Most people value gloves at SS. So this is a much bigger gap then it looks. We're talking a guy who only makes 5 errors a year VS 20. Stromberg is passable at SS and Garcia would need to hit at an all start level to justify it IMO.
-Garcia is more injury prone. I know they both say normal, but believe me, Garcia will lump to fragile within the next few years.
-Stromberg personality is a lot better. Garcia has no hustle, low work ethic, 2 suspensions under his belt and I suspect might be a bad apple in the clubhouse. PP can fix this, but I'm just judging as is.
-Stromberg is faster, a better baserunner, and a better bunter. I'm probably the only one who does this, but 5 bunt for hit is like 85 percentile. Turn his bunt for a hit slider up and he'll get an extra 5-10 hits just for that.
I've seen a lot worse trades. My opinion is that Stromberg will have the better career but Garcia has more upside/trade value. If anyone disagrees, that's fine. I don't feel strongly enough to argue about it. They are both close and if Garcia does fill out his power then he is obviously the better player. Anytime two real life buddies make a trade it's going to be put under the microscope. That's just the way it is.
-Garcia is 22 and only halfway to his potential power. My guess is they both end up with 6 or 7 power. Maybe one is higher then other, but close enough to call it a wash.
-Stromberg has 11 errors and Garcia 9(low 9 I'm guessing from statistical history). Most people value gloves at SS. So this is a much bigger gap then it looks. We're talking a guy who only makes 5 errors a year VS 20. Stromberg is passable at SS and Garcia would need to hit at an all start level to justify it IMO.
-Garcia is more injury prone. I know they both say normal, but believe me, Garcia will lump to fragile within the next few years.
-Stromberg personality is a lot better. Garcia has no hustle, low work ethic, 2 suspensions under his belt and I suspect might be a bad apple in the clubhouse. PP can fix this, but I'm just judging as is.
-Stromberg is faster, a better baserunner, and a better bunter. I'm probably the only one who does this, but 5 bunt for hit is like 85 percentile. Turn his bunt for a hit slider up and he'll get an extra 5-10 hits just for that.
I've seen a lot worse trades. My opinion is that Stromberg will have the better career but Garcia has more upside/trade value. If anyone disagrees, that's fine. I don't feel strongly enough to argue about it. They are both close and if Garcia does fill out his power then he is obviously the better player. Anytime two real life buddies make a trade it's going to be put under the microscope. That's just the way it is.
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Re: San Fernando-Nashville
True. Part of the assessment of Nashville's upside here is the idea that Garcia could well not develop. If that happens, Nashville wins in a landslide.
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I missed the suspensions.
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Re: San Fernando-Nashville
It's an interesting take - not one I agree with, but not without rationale on your end. I'll just add that I don't have nearly the fear of Garcia's development (I actually think both are well developed for their age) that you do and I think predicting a 5 to 20 E/season jump from a 9 to 11 rating seems like hyperbole.ae37jr wrote:Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Stromberg.
-Garcia is 22 and only halfway to his potential power. My guess is they both end up with 6 or 7 power. Maybe one is higher then other, but close enough to call it a wash.
-Stromberg has 11 errors and Garcia 9(low 9 I'm guessing from statistical history). Most people value gloves at SS. So this is a much bigger gap then it looks. We're talking a guy who only makes 5 errors a year VS 20. Stromberg is passable at SS and Garcia would need to hit at an all start level to justify it IMO.
-Garcia is more injury prone. I know they both say normal, but believe me, Garcia will lump to fragile within the next few years.
-Stromberg personality is a lot better. Garcia has no hustle, low work ethic, 2 suspensions under his belt and I suspect might be a bad apple in the clubhouse. PP can fix this, but I'm just judging as is.
-Stromberg is faster, a better baserunner, and a better bunter. I'm probably the only one who does this, but 5 bunt for hit is like 85 percentile. Turn his bunt for a hit slider up and he'll get an extra 5-10 hits just for that.
I've seen a lot worse trades. My opinion is that Stromberg will have the better career but Garcia has more upside/trade value. If anyone disagrees, that's fine. I don't feel strongly enough to argue about it. They are both close and if Garcia does fill out his power then he is obviously the better player. Anytime two real life buddies make a trade it's going to be put under the microscope. That's just the way it is.
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Re: San Fernando-Nashville
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Re: San Fernando-Nashville
Just going off 2034 stats...agrudez wrote:I think predicting a 5 to 20 E/season jump from a 9 to 11 rating seems like hyperbole.
Garcia- 18 errors in 1,311 innings
Stromberg- 4 errors in 922 innings
A lot of guys have 10+ error ratings. So a low 9 at a position that gets a lot of total chances is likely to muff a lot more balls then one might assume. Now if they both moved to second or third. I would expect the gap to be much less and perhaps irrelevant. Because there would be less chances and the scope of defenders around the league isn't as elite. But since both teams plan on using said players at SS, I suspect Stromberg will be a better defender.
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On the whole, I tend to agree with Allan. The error rating can have much bigger effects than effects many seem to focus on.
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Re: San Fernando-Nashville
Seeing Stromberg getting hurt again made me think of this one. Fun to read in hindsight....
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Des Moines Kernels: 52-
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