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Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by Bumstead » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:09 pm

Twin Cities Trades:

Jesus Duarte, SP, AAA
Cisco Ortiz, SS, MLB
Jacky Voornevald, C, MLB

Halifax Trades:

Bo Jordan, 1B, MLB
David Gutierrez, RP, AA
Josh Brown, SP, R
Ivan Castillo

I think you got me on this one, but I got players I liked. Good luck and thanks for the talks.

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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by trmmilwwi » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:16 pm

Confirmed. Thanks for the deal Bum! Brown is the one I fear... he could be great. I am hoping the guys I acquired can perform a bit better than expected in my park. Voorny could go either way but I hope for the best. This should be fun to watch play out.
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by RonCo » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:36 pm

Brown is probably going to come back around to bite you. But dumping $20M this year in dead salary and filling up with decent "here now" youth is an interesting move.
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by trmmilwwi » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:41 pm

Need to mix this up... status quo was not working so why not. Halifax is used to being burnt down the road. See that Cfer in las Vegas!
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by agrudez » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:55 pm

brown is 7 years away - worry about that day when (if!) it comes. for now, bryn freed 20m in dead cash and grabbed 2 very good, young players. sign me up for that every time.
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by udlb58 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:52 am

trmmilwwi wrote:Confirmed. Thanks for the deal Bum! Brown is the one I fear... he could be great. I am hoping the guys I acquired can perform a bit better than expected in my park. Voorny could go either way but I hope for the best. This should be fun to watch play out.
You'll probably regret it, but if money is a problem, getting rid of $20m is HUGE! I still regret letting two very good prospects go for Workman and a big contract relief. However, getting rid of that salary (and Brainwaive's money as well) will allow me to actually get this franchise in a good place financially.
agrudez wrote:brown is 7 years away - worry about that day when (if!) it comes. for now, bryn freed 20m in dead cash and grabbed 2 very good, young players. sign me up for that every time.
I'm not sold on Jacky and Cisco being 'very good' just yet. We'll see if they are .240 hitters or .260-.270 hitters. Anything in between those numbers are possible with a 6 contact. Ortiz does have good defensive value though, so that will be a huge factor.

Not that this is a bad deal or anything. But I do find it interesting that the guy who wrote off 6 contact hitters about 2 seasons ago is calling 6 contact hitters very good :D
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by 7teen » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:40 am

I must have climbed under a rock last season. WTF happened to Bo!!??
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by Bumstead » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:50 am

7teen wrote:I must have climbed under a rock last season. WTF happened to Bo!!??
He mentioned to me that his dream is to finish his career in Madison!

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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by trmmilwwi » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:19 am

Fell... Off... Of... Cliff. Sad really.
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by RonCo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:26 am

He got old. It happens... Which is why those mega contracts out into the mid 30s are risky. Of course.
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by Bumstead » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:02 am

RonCo wrote:He got old. It happens... Which is why those mega contracts out into the mid 30s are risky. Of course.
So, you are saying that when the Reds signed Joey Votto till he was 40, with a no trade clause, that might have been risky at $20M+ per annum???

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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by Bumstead » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:04 am

I'm hoping he retires in January....unlikely with $20M coming...

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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by RonCo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:09 am

I didn't say you shouldn't take a risk.

The Reds also have a slight advantage in that the league does not mandate a salary cap, but those are tiny little things. That said, when Votto goes south at 34, those last six years are going to be annoying to someone not named Votto. :)
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by Bumstead » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:49 am

RonCo wrote:I didn't say you shouldn't take a risk.

The Reds also have a slight advantage in that the league does not mandate a salary cap, but those are tiny little things. That said, when Votto goes south at 34, those last six years are going to be annoying to someone not named Votto. :)
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by agrudez » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:55 am

udlb58 wrote:But I do find it interesting that the guy who wrote off 6 contact hitters about 2 seasons ago is calling 6 contact hitters very good :D
Go re-read that chain of posts. I never begrudged a 6 CON LHB. Hell, I employ half a lineup worth of them on any given day.
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by Ted » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:05 am

agrudez wrote:
udlb58 wrote:But I do find it interesting that the guy who wrote off 6 contact hitters about 2 seasons ago is calling 6 contact hitters very good :D
Go re-read that chain of posts. I never begrudged a 6 CON LHB. Hell, I employ half a lineup worth of them on any given day.

What's getting interesting to me is that given the hit offense has taken in the last half a decade, I'm now considering 6 CON RHBs if the have great ratings at some combo of eye/power/speed and a 5 CON LHB is now a viable option at middle infield or CF.
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by RonCo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:22 am

I guess there's been a little uptick in offense--perhaps focused on the JL...perhaps mostly due to Huntsville's new park (which will make Lacaze look like a mega-stud)...dunno. But it hasn't been much.
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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by recte44 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:23 am

I love that. Makes things more interesting.

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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by udlb58 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:40 am

agrudez wrote:
udlb58 wrote:But I do find it interesting that the guy who wrote off 6 contact hitters about 2 seasons ago is calling 6 contact hitters very good :D
Go re-read that chain of posts. I never begrudged a 6 CON LHB. Hell, I employ half a lineup worth of them on any given day.
Was tongue-in-cheek, that's why the :D

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Re: Twin Cities / Halifax

Post by RonCo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:43 am

I suppose it's all a supply and demand thing, though.

At SS, for example, the league has only 15 or so guys who are 7 CON and above, and another couple 6 CONS. And four or five of those guys have some other medium major warts. So, given that there are now 28 teams, if you can find a 5 CON player at SS with solid sidecar numbers, or good splits, or whatever, you can grab yourself a league average or above player on the cheap.
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