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Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by aaronweiner » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:57 am

Worried you won't be able to get that superstar free agent that used to be a member of the Rockville Pikemen? Fear not, my friends: that's why they invented the sign and trade.

The sign and trade will occur after the season is over as I'm trying to three-peat here, but you can save yourself a lot of heartache in free agency by locking one of these guys down now.

If you are interested in signing and trading for:


Mario Guerrer
Fernando Marquez
Francisco Flores
Celio Marin

or one of the other Rockville free agents, please inquire within.

Guerrer and Marquez, a championship quality first baseman and a top closer, will definitely not be re-signed so for sure, inquire about those guys. Keep in mind I'm likely giving up a S1 by signing and trading them.

What I'm interested in will depend on your team, but if it's Flores you must include a starter-quality catcher in any offer.

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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by bcslouck » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:11 am

aaronweiner wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:57 am
Worried you won't be able to get that superstar free agent that used to be a member of the Rockville Pikemen? Fear not, my friends: that's why they invented the sign and trade.

The sign and trade will occur after the season is over as I'm trying to three-peat here, but you can save yourself a lot of heartache in free agency by locking one of these guys down now.

If you are interested in signing and trading for:


Mario Guerrer
Fernando Marquez
Francisco Flores
Celio Marin

or one of the other Rockville free agents, please inquire within.

Guerrer and Marquez, a championship quality first baseman and a top closer, will definitely not be re-signed so for sure, inquire about those guys. Keep in mind I'm likely giving up a S1 by signing and trading them.

What I'm interested in will depend on your team, but if it's Flores you must include a starter-quality catcher in any offer.
Sign and trade will occur after the season? Like make the deal now, get the player then? Is that even allowed? Also, no S1 for Márquez after the rule change for RP comp.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by agrudez » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:21 am

There are technically a few sims between the end of the playoffs and FAs filing and we technically don't have a rule to legislate against teams trading during it.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by bcslouck » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:30 am

agrudez wrote:
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There are technically a few sims between the end of the playoffs and FAs filing and we technically don't have a rule to legislate against teams trading during it.
I don't have a problem with that. He's lobbying for it mid season. I guess you can have a verbal agreement and not post until that time. But.. it's weird timing. To me, anyway.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by usnspecialist » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:37 am

I have done this before with Tyler when we pulled off the Wareham trade. We had the trade agreed to and then I negotiated the contract extension using his guidance and directions before we made it official. Interesting timing with it being so far in advance (assuming aaron wants to hang on to all these guys for the run at history), but nothing wrong with it assuming both parties know that verbal agreements are non binding.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by agrudez » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:54 am

usnspecialist wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:37 am
I have done this before with Tyler when we pulled off the Wareham trade. We had the trade agreed to and then I negotiated the contract extension using his guidance and directions before we made it official.
That was at the trade deadline, though, wasn't it? I have told a team that I'll be more interested in player 'x' if they get an extension in place before, too. The novel part here is the "agree to a trade now, I'll sign an extension for you, but you don't get the player until after he helps me in the playoffs". If the player was available for trade either now or at the trade deadline and he was just offering to extend them for the trading team it would be ho hum. As-is it's at a minimum weird and new.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by bcslouck » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:01 am

agrudez wrote:
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The novel part here is the "agree to a trade now, I'll sign an extension for you, but you don't get the player until after he helps me in the playoffs". If the player was available for trade either now or at the trade deadline and he was just offering to extend them for the trading team it would be ho hum. As-is it's at a minimum weird and new.
This is my point. The part Randy brought up of agreeing but not pulling the trigger until the extension was signed makes sense. But this is completely different.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by usnspecialist » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:26 am

agrudez wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:54 am
usnspecialist wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:37 am
I have done this before with Tyler when we pulled off the Wareham trade. We had the trade agreed to and then I negotiated the contract extension using his guidance and directions before we made it official.
That was at the trade deadline, though, wasn't it? I have told a team that I'll be more interested in player 'x' if they get an extension in place before, too. The novel part here is the "agree to a trade now, I'll sign an extension for you, but you don't get the player until after he helps me in the playoffs". If the player was available for trade either now or at the trade deadline and he was just offering to extend them for the trading team it would be ho hum. As-is it's at a minimum weird and new.
no it was in the offseason.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by agrudez » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 am

04/07/2035 Was traded by the San Fernando Bears to the Jacksonville Hurricanes, along with RF Brett White, SP Jacques Côté, SP Ángel Díaz, in exchange for SP Kwang-chih Ec, SP Sergei Hopkins, SS Voitto Strömberg.

Yeah, 100% a different scenario. Did you read Aaron's offer? He wants you to agree to a trade for his player whom is set to be a FA in the upcoming offseason now and then not give him to you until after the playoffs. Wareham was obviously not set to be a FA in the 2035 offseason because you still have his rights all the way until April when you negotiated an extension.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by usnspecialist » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:10 pm

agrudez wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 am
04/07/2035 Was traded by the San Fernando Bears to the Jacksonville Hurricanes, along with RF Brett White, SP Jacques Côté, SP Ángel Díaz, in exchange for SP Kwang-chih Ec, SP Sergei Hopkins, SS Voitto Strömberg.

Yeah, 100% a different scenario. Did you read Aaron's offer? He wants you to agree to a trade for his player whom is set to be a FA in the upcoming offseason now and then not give him to you until after the playoffs. Wareham was obviously not set to be a FA in the 2035 offseason because you still have his rights all the way until April when you negotiated an extension.
ya upon further review this is weird (although not illegal I suppose?) I was just speaking on the subject of S&T in general.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by recte44 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:12 pm

Oh goody another rule exploit? What gives with all this lately?

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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by aaronweiner » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:22 pm

OK. Maybe I need to clarify.

I'm looking to have agreements in place for after the year on sign and trades. I don't get the players now and they don't get my players now. I don't sign the guy until I'm out of the playoffs and the trade is finalized. But I wanted people to know such deals are available and this gives me ample time for negotiations.

Not sure where this creates a new thing.

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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by ae37jr » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:40 pm

I'm willing to bet this has happened many times in the past. And even if we say it's not allowed, there is no way to enforce what people agree to in the privacy of pm's. I can tell you that teams approached me about this type of deal with Mauro Flores last season.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by agrudez » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:48 pm

aaronweiner wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:22 pm
Not sure where this creates a new thing.
All of these players are set to be FA in this offseason. Normally, this situation is handled in one of four ways:

1) Team trades the player prior to the trade deadline in the season before the player becomes a FA.
2) Team extends the player before they become a FA and then trades them either prior to the trade deadline in the season before the player becomes a FA or in the offseason after.
3) Team extends the player before the become a FA and keep them.
4) Team lets the player walk.

You've technically chosen option #2; however, did so in a way that mitigates all of your potential risk. Normally, option #2 requires you to make the hard choice to extend the player now with the potential that you can't find a deal for them and are "stuck" with them when you otherwise hadn't planned to be. It sounds like you 100% don't want them and/or can't have them (for salary reasons) on your team next year, so option #1 or option #4 would be the traditional routes to accomplish that without assuming the risk of option #2. So, you've definitely created an option #5 here.

As BRK points out, this probably isn't the first time something like this has happened, but vocalizing the intent is novel.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by Bumstead » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:14 pm

On a side note, Boise is not interested in any of those players because they are either not good enough to play for Boise or do not fit our profile...all the emoticons are gone...so I will leave it at that.

Thank you for asking.

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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by udlb58 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:20 pm

agrudez wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:48 pm
aaronweiner wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:22 pm
Not sure where this creates a new thing.
All of these players are set to be FA in this offseason. Normally, this situation is handled in one of four ways:

1) Team trades the player prior to the trade deadline in the season before the player becomes a FA.
2) Team extends the player before they become a FA and then trades them either prior to the trade deadline in the season before the player becomes a FA or in the offseason after.
3) Team extends the player before the become a FA and keep them.
4) Team lets the player walk.

You've technically chosen option #2; however, did so in a way that mitigates all of your potential risk. Normally, option #2 requires you to make the hard choice to extend the player now with the potential that you can't find a deal for them and are "stuck" with them when you otherwise hadn't planned to be. It sounds like you 100% don't want them and/or can't have them (for salary reasons) on your team next year, so option #1 or option #4 would be the traditional routes to accomplish that without assuming the risk of option #2. So, you've definitely created an option #5 here.

As BRK points out, this probably isn't the first time something like this has happened, but vocalizing the intent is novel.
I kind of did a pending FA trade post-season with Sunshine and JIm; but I put up the block in the playoffs I believe and traded him for a popular AAAA corner OF to merely cushion the FI hit of losing him [the guy I acquired was never really in my plans to be anything other than that]; and in the end, Jim only had one sim to try and sign him and he went to FA.

What is interesting to me is that if this were to occur, all expiring Rockville players (who aren't the 1/2 traded for) would be nearly guaranteed to hit free agency as the extensions for those 1 or 2 players would eat up all of the available 2039 cap space.
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Re: Rockville Offseason Sign And Trade Block

Post by aaronweiner » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:41 am

Since this thread has gone far off course, I'll be reposting later.

Please refrain from posting on my (or any) trade block unless you're interested in a trade.

It's worth noting that your stance on this is interesting. It's not weird, though. Because of the nature of the cap and the game, I consider most free agency restricted free agency.

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