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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by niles08 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:39 pm

bcslouck wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:37 pm
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SP-Jose Arrellano. He is 25 years old and 55 overall currently but floated between 55 and 60 the past year. He is very durable, and is a 3-4 WAR guy typically. He has a player option for next year of $4,000,000 but regardless has 2 more seasons of team control after this year. With the need for starting pitching, obviously my demand will be higher for him than other players on this block. It likely will involve a top prospect from your team, so if your not willing to part with that its unlikely we reach an agreement.
I think that player-opt out takes priority since it's before a player option/potentially guaranteed season. If if were before an arbitration year, than you may. Someone else can confirm that but I feel pretty confident in saying he will be a free agent after this season unless he gets hurt.
He doesn't have enough service time to be a free agent?
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by bcslouck » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:41 pm

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He doesn't have enough service time to be a free agent?
Hmm.. not sure if it matters if you give them options. I suppose it could reset to arbitration. Wouldn't ever think to give a PO of any kind before 6 years.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by niles08 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:45 pm

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He doesn't have enough service time to be a free agent?
Hmm.. not sure if it matters if you give them options. I suppose it could reset to arbitration. Wouldn't ever think to give a PO of any kind before 6 years.
On my salary page it shows his arbitration season in 2044 so I'm thinking if he opts put we head to arbitration. I completely remember this contract when I signed it because he wanted 5 years with an opt out after 2 but I couldn't sign him more than 3 because of league rules so I did 3 with an opt out after 2 but he still had arb years left when the contract would end because he signed less than 2 years of service time.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by RonCo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:49 pm

I'll see what I can find out.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by RonCo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:51 pm

If he does go back to arbitration, then I struggle to see why he would sign a contract with an opt-out.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by bcslouck » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:51 pm

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On my salary page it shows his arbitration season in 2044 so I'm thinking if he opts put we head to arbitration. I completely remember this contract when I signed it because he wanted 5 years with an opt out after 2 but I couldn't sign him more than 3 because of league rules so I did 3 with an opt out after 2 but he still had arb years left when the contract would end because he signed less than 2 years of service time.
Why would you give player opt-outs if you are that sure he's coming back to you on arby?
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by niles08 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:55 pm

I just hit buttons sometimes. In my head it essentially gives him the option to accept his salary as is or head to arbitration if he thinks he deserved more. His arbitration for 2044 shows 3.4 million right now on my contract page.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by RonCo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:04 pm

Yes, I can see that logic.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by RonCo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:05 pm

Quick response on the beta board is that he will go back to arbitration.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by niles08 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:07 pm

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Quick response on the beta board is that he will go back to arbitration.
Thanks for clearing that up and strengthening his trade value lol
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by bcslouck » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:08 pm

niles08 wrote:
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Quick response on the beta board is that he will go back to arbitration.
Thanks for clearing that up and strengthening his trade value lol
Hey man. Without my question, this wasn't possible. :lol:
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 4/21 with SP

Post by niles08 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:21 pm

Bump. Arrelano has 2 seasons of team control after this season whether he opts out or not. Confirmed from OOTP beta team thanks to Ron.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 5/6

Post by niles08 » Wed May 06, 2020 9:41 am

bump for the addition of a few guys and any last calls.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 5/8

Post by niles08 » Fri May 08, 2020 10:25 am

bump for the removal of Iami.
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Re: Omaha trade block--updated 5/8

Post by niles08 » Sun May 10, 2020 4:44 pm

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Re: Omaha all too early trade block--POSTSEASON(5/22)

Post by niles08 » Fri May 22, 2020 9:45 am

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Re: Omaha all too early trade block--POSTSEASON(5/22)

Post by Fat Nige » Fri May 22, 2020 10:44 am

I can't believe if a player opts out of a contract he can't leave? That has got to be "gaming the system"? If you opt out you leave, not hang around for 1, 2 or however many arby years? I can't believe that's good for the player or the league?
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Re: Omaha all too early trade block--POSTSEASON(5/22)

Post by usnspecialist » Fri May 22, 2020 11:30 am

Fat Nige wrote:
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I can't believe if a player opts out of a contract he can't leave? That has got to be "gaming the system"? If you opt out you leave, not hang around for 1, 2 or however many arby years? I can't believe that's good for the player or the league?
I agree it seems wonky and I can not remember the circumstances in how it was signed. I will probably have a similar situation with RJ Hughes, who has a player option followed by a bunch of arby years but that is due to the UMEBA crossover
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Re: Omaha all too early trade block--POSTSEASON(5/22)

Post by Fat Nige » Fri May 22, 2020 11:34 am

I think the fairest league ruling would be that if he opts out, he’s out. Doesn’t seem any other way, anything else is having your cake and eating it. Taking advantage of the AI who thought it was getting control of it’s life lol
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Re: Omaha all too early trade block--POSTSEASON(5/22)

Post by niles08 » Fri May 22, 2020 11:49 am

Fat Nige wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 11:34 am
I think the fairest league ruling would be that if he opts out, he’s out. Doesn’t seem any other way, anything else is having your cake and eating it. Taking advantage of the AI who thought it was getting control of it’s life lol
This happened with Jorge Soler of the Kansas City Royals...He was signed to a 10 year deal with the Cubs but could opt out after a certain amount of years...since he had less than 6 years of service time if he opted out he would go to arbitration.

https://www.sbnation.com/2012/6/11/3078 ... ct-opt-out

This actually could work in favor of the player depending on the price...if his contract was to pay him more than his arbitration value...he wouldn't want to opt-out...For instance, if his contract paid him $5 million this season but he had an arb value of only $3 million...it goes both ways...Honestly if he does opt out and head to arbitration, he is likely to earn less than what his scheduled salary is.
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