Reduced Minors

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The Roster numbers have been reduced by three because

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Some other reason- please post it below
5
50%
People who don’t manage their minors begged to have less players to not manage
2
20%
We needed a bigger FA pool
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20%
Matt just wanted a 300% increase in transactions
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10%
Everybody begged Matt to give them tons more work
0
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People complaining that those who managed their minors properly were getting too much advantage
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No votes
 
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Reduced Minors

Post by Fat Nige » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:03 am

Can anybody explain the need to reduce the minor league rosters by three?
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by aaronweiner » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:07 am

If you're gonna be that cheeky you're going to need two heads.

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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Fat Nige » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:13 am

aaronweiner wrote:
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If you're gonna be that cheeky you're going to need two heads.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by bigmike13 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:18 am

3 less people help with the social distancing rules
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Lane » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:20 am

Doesn't bother me, can't see why it would really bug anyone. There's no way that the 28-30th players on your rosters is worth anything.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Rubaboo » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:31 am

Yeah, I've got nothing on this but am not bothered by it. Everyone has a few guys in their system that it's probably time to give up on. My cuts were simple.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Fat Nige » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:00 am

Lane wrote:
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Doesn't bother me, can't see why it would really bug anyone. There's no way that the 28-30th players on your rosters is worth anything.
I'm not worried that they're worth anything but if say both your SS at AAA pick up injuries, where's your replacement? Everyone has to move up a level to cover leaving 3-4 players development damaged by playing at too high a level. Or perhaps play a player that can't play SS there and damage his development?

With rosters at 27 every injury has a consequence, if you don't care about your minors that's great. Who cares if they lose 100 games or half the team don't develop? But for those of us that do, it's a tragedy. Two or three unfortunate injuries could ruin a years work as 3, 4 or 5 players spend the season playing beyond their capabilities.

Why should those who can't be arsed want to spoil it for those that can?
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by GoldenOne » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:06 am

Lane wrote:
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Doesn't bother me, can't see why it would really bug anyone. There's no way that the 28-30th players on your rosters is worth anything.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by GoldenOne » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:07 am

Plenty of useful guys in FA still. This being a financial game as much as anything else, it doesnt hurt my financials to sign another minor league guy for a few weeks so it doesnt bother me.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Lane » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:16 am

Fat Nige wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:00 am
Lane wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:20 am
Doesn't bother me, can't see why it would really bug anyone. There's no way that the 28-30th players on your rosters is worth anything.
I'm not worried that they're worth anything but if say both your SS at AAA pick up injuries, where's your replacement? Everyone has to move up a level to cover leaving 3-4 players development damaged by playing at too high a level. Or perhaps play a player that can't play SS there and damage his development?

With rosters at 27 every injury has a consequence, if you don't care about your minors that's great. Who cares if they lose 100 games or half the team don't develop? But for those of us that do, it's a tragedy. Two or three unfortunate injuries could ruin a years work as 3, 4 or 5 players spend the season playing beyond their capabilities.

Why should those who can't be arsed want to spoil it for those that can?
Are you saying that you don't have enough shit players to move up and down for injury replacements, instead of moving guys that are real prospects? I would love to have that problem.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Ted » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:30 am

Lane wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:16 am

Are you saying that you don't have enough shit players to move up and down for injury replacements, instead of moving guys that are real prospects? I would love to have that problem.
Then manage your minors better. I always had that problem. This isn't about the 28th to 30th guys on the roster anyway. If that's your take, you really don't understand how minor league systems serve as injury replacements. It's about 2 things.

1) Necessitating a bunch of roster moves for no real reason, because you don't have a buffer at level other than rookie anymore, and the potential for some people having really short minor league rosters due to negligence
2) Potentially exposing young pitchers in the low minors to injury through over use

Both of these could need up not being real problems. If I had a team, I'd be fine with trying it out.

But these are legitimate concerns. No one has pointed anything wrong out with the way it was done before. And poo pooing this as being all about the 28th-30th guys on each level is missing the point entirely. It's also a bit dismissive considering multiple people have made the case that losing those players is NOT the problem they see.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Ted » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:34 am

And the simplest statement of question is as follows. This adds more work for GMs. What is the benefit? Not saying there isn't one. I just may not be aware of it.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Lane » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:41 am

Alright, alright. I'm finally getting around to cutting the teams down to 27, and I've changed my mind. It's tight.

Sorry, Nigel.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Fat Nige » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:55 am

It’s definitely not about specifically the 28th-30th players it’s about the amount of work and angst any injury will cause. If you carry four OF’s and one gets injured then a replacement has to be found, if you call up one then the level below is short etc etc
If you could just edit any of the minor league FA’s straight into your team that would be ok, but you can’t so problems occur for at least two sims. All I’m asking for is an explanation of where the benefits are? We are seemingly faced with extra work, angst, overused prospects and games facing very short rosters for no basis other than apparently some GM’s don’t seem to care about the minors
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by crobillard » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:55 am

Guys, just have a terrible minor league system like me. No big deal. Cut the rosters down to three people. I'll be okay.

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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by Fat Nige » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:00 am

GoldenOne wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:07 am
Plenty of useful guys in FA still. This being a financial game as much as anything else, it doesnt hurt my financials to sign another minor league guy for a few weeks so it doesnt bother me.
Other than of course if one or two injuries happen early in the same sim then your team plays short all sim before you get chance to sign someone and then play the next sim short until the player comes back and says screw you, I want a major league deal or he signs with some other team looking for an injury replacement too. Then you have a third sim short rostered while you repeat the attempt to sign a replacement
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by usnspecialist » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:05 am

I was not tracking the move either, but I'm the sort of guy that does not look at his minors much outside of the key top layer of prospects.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by GoldenOne » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:25 am

I'll concede Ted's and Nigel's points as well. I had a little deeper minors (not much though) when I was with Nashville but going into a 4th year as an expansion team, not many prospects down there to worry about that much that I cant find better/replacement in FA at any point needed.
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by CTBrewCrew » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:33 pm

crobillard wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:55 am
Guys, just have a terrible minor league system like me. No big deal. Cut the rosters down to three people. I'll be okay.
Hey! I get to add guys! ;)
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Re: Reduced Minors

Post by recte44 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:21 pm

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I'm not worried that they're worth anything but if say both your SS at AAA pick up injuries, where's your replacement?
You will have 62 guys in Short A and Rookie Ball that don't even play until after the start of June. This is a complete non-issue.

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