Should Elroy Hinson Decline A Guaranteed 16.6 mil that Could Potentially be 30?

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Should Elroy Hinson Decline A Guaranteed 16.6 mil that Could Potentially be 30?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:05 pm

Yes
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No
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Total votes: 13

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Re: Should Elroy Hinson Decline A Guaranteed 16.6 mil that Could Potentially be 30?

Post by aaronweiner » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:05 am

As a guy who writes previews, I can tell you that Chris' comments aren't an attack on YOU, they're an attack on your opinions, which in this case might be wrong. You could probably still make the case you were right based on money with some kind of equation too, I suspect.

I quit writing previews for the GBC because of Dan Schroeder (no relation to Brett so far as I know), whose comments were consistently an attack on ME. There's the line.

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Re: Should Elroy Hinson Decline A Guaranteed 16.6 mil that Could Potentially be 30?

Post by 7teen » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:21 am

Ted wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:37 pm
Chris, I never intend to mock anyone. If it came across that way, I apologize. I will be critical of things I think are bad moves. If I don't it's just boring. Same as I will say things I think are good are good. I have no problem if you call me out when I was wrong. That's absolutely fine. The reason I responded is because all of your repeated posts were on the line of "Isn't it funny that .." which to me sounds like someone who wants to call attention to how they were right and someone else was wrong, which I think is pretty childish and silly. Perhaps I misinterpreted your tone and overreacted. I try to keep the tone of my critiques of other GMs moves rather neutral and professional when I do it, however know I'm not always successful with this. Part of this is because I'm a born know it all. I know it can be obnoxious. When alcohol gets involved is probably when things slip the most. I will try to do better in the future.
In all honesty, I do want to to call attention to the fact I was right and you guys were wrong.

For what it is worth, and it may not make much of a difference in this debate, but calling you guys out is not personal. I treated your evaluation of the signing and comments as "media" talk. You were "Ted, member of the media" not Ted the California GM. I've referenced other "media" material in my posts before. I can recall referencing the Media Guide (it might have been Ron's prediction) as being wrong in a TN before and I'm sure I've commented on Aaron's draft recaps before if I felt I made the right move. I'm sure I've even sarcastically or tongue in cheek referred to them as "so-called experts" or just "experts". Yeah, it may be viewed as rude but it's meant more as a way of treating them as media and me as a GM/owner of a team. Perhaps it's my way of taking the "fake" in this stuff and making it more "real". I'd say a lot of those comments slipped through the cracks because not everyone pays close enough attention to what others post in their TN (I'm just as guilty as that as well).

Of course another way to look at all of this banter and debate (and my constant referencing of things) is this:
1. It kept your all's podcast relevant. Name me another podcast that has been referenced this many times throughout a season? Yeah sure, I'm calling you guys out for being wrong, but at least your podcast has had some longevity. And for that, you're welcome. :cool: I really do think those are worthwhile endeavors. Just ones I can't partake in as much as many others can. At no point would I want you to stop because I call you all out for being wrong. But I would think you'd prefer me doing that opposed to doing a podcast that got ZERO MENTIONS! If it keeps you all from mentioning Madison in future ones then those are the consequences I have to take.

2. At least I know you're reading and paying attention to my TNs. And for that, I say, THANK YOU! At least some of the TNs i write have kept some relevance thoughout the season. Kind of like this poll! haha Granted this poll went off the rails but hey, it's gotten some activity! :pickles:

As I've said, it is what it is. I did view your all's evaluation as mockery and have referenced it several times this season. If it's childish, then I'm sorry. But hey, it's a game! And it gave me plenty of bulletin board material.

And DAMN, I was really hoping to make a run and accept Randy's challenge of knocking him out of the post-season in order to "do something about" the all-star selections. I had that TN ready to roll too but we'll have to shelf that one for another day.
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Re: Should Elroy Hinson Decline A Guaranteed 16.6 mil that Could Potentially be 30?

Post by 7teen » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:24 am

aaronweiner wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:05 am
As a guy who writes previews, I can tell you that Chris' comments aren't an attack on YOU, they're an attack on your opinions, which in this case might be wrong. You could probably still make the case you were right based on money with some kind of equation too, I suspect.

I quit writing previews for the GBC because of Dan Schroeder (no relation to Brett so far as I know), whose comments were consistently an attack on ME. There's the line.
This!

I may have said something very similar to this just now. I was typing my response out while you were typing yours apparently.
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Re: Should Elroy Hinson Decline A Guaranteed 16.6 mil that Could Potentially be 30?

Post by usnspecialist » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:09 am

Regarding the whole opinion thing, I have no problem being called out when I'm wrong, just as I have no problem pointing out when I'm right. I know I put my balls on the chopping block so to speak so it is going to happen. I would be disappointed if you didn't have an article written for that comment I made lol.
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Re: Should Elroy Hinson Decline A Guaranteed 16.6 mil that Could Potentially be 30?

Post by agrudez » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:53 am

For me it's the incessant nature of the saltiness that is obnoxious. Disagree in the moment - fine, that's just debate. Point out they were wrong once when the conclusion is reached - fine, everyone likes to gloat a bit. But bringing it up multiple times for months on end? Try to put yourself in the other person's shoes. Would YOU, Chris, be motivated to put yourself out there with 4+ hours of work (between prep work and actual recording) for the equivalent PP that you could've obtained in 15 minutes tops of article writing when you know you're going to be harassed over your opinions for the next real life half year constantly? Do you not see how that could have a very draining and disenfranchising effect on Ted, et al, as it pertains to producing future content?
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Re: Should Elroy Hinson Decline A Guaranteed 16.6 mil that Could Potentially be 30?

Post by Ted » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:17 am

agrudez wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:53 am
For me it's the incessant nature of the saltiness that is obnoxious. Disagree in the moment - fine, that's just debate. Point out they were wrong once when the conclusion is reached - fine, everyone likes to gloat a bit. But bringing it up multiple times for months on end? Try to put yourself in the other person's shoes. Would YOU, Chris, be motivated to put yourself out there with 4+ hours of work (between prep work and actual recording) for the equivalent PP that you could've obtained in 15 minutes tops of article writing when you know you're going to be harassed over your opinions for the next real life half year constantly? Do you not see how that could have a very draining and disenfranchising effect on Ted, et al, as it pertains to producing future content?
This sums up my thoughts. Once again, I'm kind of bad at expressing them in text. Thanks Kyle, for finding the words I couldn't. Again, it's possible I took it wrong or was being touchy. Also, I really do try not to mock anyone. I think it's rude and pointless. I can't speak for my other podcast members. II'll also admit that I haven't gone back and listened to the part you are talking about. I actually edit stuff out all the time that I consider possibly too critical, or critical of the GM's person and not the the GM's process or whatever. What this means of course, is that there is stuff that probably is too much, and maybe I missed it. Anyway, sorry for creating this noise.
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