Future Rule 5 Drafts

[Ted]

One thing about the way the Rule 5 draft in online leagues that has always seemed cumbersome to me is just how many players are "eligible" because we get the list of eligible players AND remove them on the same day. I'm guessing there's no way in game to get the list out, as for protections, sim, and ask for draft lists, then sim again, without adding another sim to the schedule. Like, the game won't tell us the rule 5 list in a convenient format if we tried to put in a "40 man adjustment for upcoming rule 5" in with FA sim 2.

Still, I'd like to know if a gentle reminder to do so would accomplish anything. So here's a poll. If you were given a heads up to get your 40 man in shape for the rule 5 a couple times, and provided with a way (it's pretty easy to do) to find the guys who will need to be on your 40 man to be protected before the rule 5, would you take the time during an earlier portion of FA to adjust your roster? The way I would do it (there may be a better one) wouldn't be perfect, but it would probably remove 80 percent or so the guys who get put on 40 mans that we all rank/list knowing they won't be available.

[RonCo]

A gentle reminder would help reduce the problem.

I've been in leagues that just put in a rule that said no player can be removed from rule 5 eligibility once the list has been announced. Problem solved.

[recte44]

We used to have a separate export for this- but that's cumbersome.

[RonCo]

Can we just say there's no adding guys to the 40-man roster on rule 5 sim? That means the usual sim before Rule 5 is the "extra" one.

This is what I did for my guys. It's what I try to do every season. Simple. Solves the base problem of arguing about it. Leaves only the issue of an export not taking--which at least a GM can see and post an emergency notice in "ping commish" to get resolved in a public fashion.

[Ted]

When does the date role over for rule 5 eligibility? Is it obvious?

[RonCo]

I'd have to check for 100% certainty, but I think service time stops accumulating after the regular season is done. Hence, Rule 5 eligibility is set then.

[Ted]

So if the "#" sign next to a guy's name on the roster is accurate (indicating rule 5 eligibility), this is pretty easy to do. If not, it's tough, because A, the game can be wonky about making guys rule 5 eligible that shouldn't be, and B IC guys are hard to figure out based on service time alone. Not to mention free agents, etc.

[RonCo]

I'm pretty sure the "#" is accurate. There's also a "Rule 5 Eligible Players" widget/window in the Front Office View that shows it.

In reality, this really should probably be a simple situation for 99% of cases. It's really just about setting the process up early--then using the "Ping Commish" thread to clean up any one-off issues. We are pretty good and pressing on, but we're not particularly good at announcing things before they happen.

[ae37jr]

For all of you beta team people. I have a suggestion that will make this easier. Lobby for Markus to enable a simple "rule 5 eligible" yes or no column to the main database so it's sortable when looking at the view all players in organization screen.

What I do is make a short list of every guy with a hashtag. But that is a pain in the ass and I probably skip over a guy every now and then by accident.

[jiminyhopkins]

I voted for I dont care. Ive never had a problem with the rule 5 draft.

[RonCo]

For all of you beta team people. I have a suggestion that will make this easier. Lobby for Markus to enable a simple "rule 5 eligible" yes or no column to the main database so it's sortable when looking at the view all players in organization screen.

What I do is make a short list of every guy with a hashtag. But that is a pain in the ass and I probably skip over a guy every now and then by accident.

That's been asked for. In the mean time, you can get a comprehensive list in the "Front Office" screen by selecting "Rule 5 Eligible Players" from the options to display.

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[indiansfan]

I voted for I dont care. Ive never had a problem with the rule 5 draft.

[ae37jr]

That's been asked for. In the mean time, you can get a comprehensive list in the "Front Office" screen by selecting "Rule 5 Eligible Players" from the options to display.

I'm aware of that screens existance, just not a fan of it. Could care less what Joon-suk Ae did in 34 AAA at bats. It would not sway my decision to protect him either way. And you only see like 10 guys at a time, then have to scroll down for more. By the time you get to the last guy you forget who the first one was. It's 2018, generation ADD. I want it all in one click dammit! lol

[udlb58]

Can we just say there's no adding guys to the 40-man roster on rule 5 sim? That means the usual sim before Rule 5 is the "extra" one.

This is what I did for my guys. It's what I try to do every season. Simple. Solves the base problem of arguing about it. Leaves only the issue of an export not taking--which at least a GM can see and post an emergency notice in "ping commish" to get resolved in a public fashion.

Have fun policing that.

[RonCo]

Shrug.

[bcslouck]

There is a drop down on the front office page (I believe) that has the Rule 5 eligible list all year and is updated after each Rule 5 draft. So go to the front office page (again, I believe) where there are like 8 different squares of info. Some have a drop down and you just select Rule 5 from there?

And why would we say you can't add people on Rule 5 sim day? That seems like an awful idea, to me. Unless I'm missing something.

EDIT: Just realized Ron mentioned that screen. Regardless, that is a pretty good option once you know about it. I haven't had an issue not getting protected who I need to with that list. Much easier than looking at the roster screen.

[niles08]

My issue hasn't been getting people ready in time. I haven't ever lost anybody I truly cared about until this year, and this year he was saved to begin with which is troublesome. I guess if we did it a few sims before hand, we would get another sim to validate that they are indeed saved.

[Ted]

Sounds like people for the most part are okay with the process. I'll still try to remember to remind people the rule 5 is coming up for any of us that want to clean our own houses a little bit before-hand. I was never really trying to propose new rules or more work. What I really wanted to do was streamline a process we all go through anyway.

[Fat Nige]

I too have been in Leagues where the 40-Man roster is locked the sim before the draft, which is fine by me but it still doesn’t solve all the complaints. There’s always someone who forgot or whose export didn’t take or failed to press export after working two hours on it.
It’s a hard thing, I’ve got no problem with it but sometimes life does get in the way. Maybe roster locked two sims before which would give you all a sim to appeal your errors & mistakes? I’m ok with whatever anyway, you’ll never please 30 people imo on this

[agrudez]

Locking the sim before the draft has always worked very well in other leagues I've been in that have done it that way.

1) It allows those drafting to know whom is actually available (does no one else hate digging through a list knowing half the players won't actually be draftable?)

2) It allows those protecting players to know for certain if someone was protected (ie. mitigating bugs and hiccups). In extenuating circumstances, it allows the commish time to step in and over-ride said bug/hiccup.

It's all upside with no downside.