Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

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Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

Post by Ted » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:49 pm

This is the penultimate edition for 2027, and contains mostly minor deals.

Seattle/Yellow Springs
Seattle receives:
SP Lorenzo Pena


Yellow Springs receives:
SP Jose Souza (prospect)
P Alfredo Martinez (prospect)

[list][*]At the time of this trade Lorenzo Pena was a mid to upper 3 FIP, three pitch lefty starter with good stuff versus both sides of the plate and very good stamina, a 3.5 WAR guy over a full season and arb eligible at a good price. He was 26, in his prime, and had put up several consistently good years in Yellow Springs (he has since lumped significantly)[/list]



[list][*]Jose Souza is a 19 year old left setup/closer prospect with mid 90's velocity, a plus fastball and and even better splitter. He's okay as far as development goes for age.
[*]Alfredo Martinez is a 21 year old righty with three pretty good pitches. His fastball and curve are well above average and his change-up is excellent, allowing him to get both righties and lefties out. Unfortunately, he doesn't really have the control or movement on his pitches at the moment to project as a solid starter. He may end up being middle relief material.[/list]

This is a nice little deal. Seattle is in endless need of starting pitching and has a win now offense. This picks them up a solid mid rotation starter in his prime for minimal prospect cost. With all their young guys coming up, Yellow Springs can afford to move a starter, and gets 1.5 usable pieces in return. At least one of these guys should give them some meaningful, probably bullpen, innings.


Grades
Seattle
Talent: B
Organizational: A-
Yellow Springs
Talent: B-
Organizational: A-



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Vancouver/Halifax
Vancouver receives:
P Dillon Taylor (prospect)

Halifax receives:
SP Javier Trujillo

[list][*]Dillon Taylor is a low velocity (89-91) two pitch righty at 20 years old. His fastball curve combo will more than likely give him an unpleasant plit against lefties. He's also more of a project at this point, given his low velocity and on average movement. Looks to have a AAA ceiling at this time.[/list]



[list][*]Javier Trujillo is a 29 year old three pitch righty, whose changeup is his most memorable pitch. The others are just okay. He doesn't throw hard, topping out a 93 mph, and is prone to giving up the long ball. He's been at best solidly below league average to significantly below league average as a starter throughout his career. While his is arb eligible, his salary of over two million is quite high for someone who is essentially replacement level.[/list]

Salary dump by Vancouver? If so, I have no other idea why Halifax would give up a prospect for this guy, even one as meh as Taylor. Halifax was in bad shape from a starting pitching standpoint, but paying Trujillo any kind of money given his track record is a poor idea.


Grades
Vancouver
Talent: D+
Organizational: B+
Halifax
Talent: D+
Organizational: D+



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Huntsville/Tuscon
Huntsville receives:
SP Cesar Sandoval

Tuscon receives:
SS Carlos Salazar (prospect)
RP Jose Ordonez (prospect)

[list][*]At the time of this trade, Sandoval was still an acceptable short inning starting pitching option. He'd come of a rough 2026 in Tuscon, somehow managing to throw only 145 innings in 34 starts, with a FIP at 4 even after years of being a 180-200 inning, 3.65 FIP, 3.5 WAR guy. Then again, that was Tuscon. Scouts had noticed Sandoval tired more easily, but hadn't noticed any loss of velocity or significant change in makeup. He's never been the most popular guy in the clubhouse though.[/list]



[list][*]Carlos Salazar is a 21 year old shortstop whose only real value comes in being a solid defender at multiple positions, and maybe a pinch runner.
[*]Ordonez is a right-handed fairly hard throwing (95-97) relief prospect with a good fastball and sinker. He's acceptable from a motion standpoint and has solid control. However, he seems to struggle with lefties, and this may limit him to a long relief or specialist role.[/list]

Sandoval had a poop year in 2026 and wasn't popular in Tuscon's clubhouse. His contract, while expiring, was 4.6 million. However, this feels like a pretty poor return for a guy who was only a year removed from multiple consecutive seasons as a mid rotation guy. Tuscon essentially got a backup infielder and a potential long reliever for him. On the other hand, I'm not sure how much Sandoval's stamina had declined at the time. His IP in 2026 seems to indicate quite a bit, in which case this is more of a salary dump on their part and Huntsville taking a flyer on a guy. Huntsville does fine here. Essentially free trial.


Grades
Huntsville
Talent: C+
Organizational: B+
Tuscon
Talent: C-
Organizational: B-



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Greenville/Las Vegas
Greenville receives:
LF Emory Sharp
$2,000,000

Las Vegas receives:
RP Vincent Rowse (prospect)
SS Edgardo Pagan (prospect)

[list][*]Emory Sharp is not very exciting at this point in his career. During the winter of 2027, he was 2 years removed from the last time he was even a league average bat. He can't hit righties at all anymore. Against lefties he's still putting up wRC+ in the 115 range, which isn't too bad for a guy who plays solid LF defense. However, he makes over four mil and that's not cheap for a platoon bat.[/list]



[list][*]Vincent Rowse is a 24 year old hard throwing righty with a fastball slider combo that unfortunately only makes him an option as a righty specialist. He also has issues with the walk. Undeveloped as his age, he's borderline to even be called a prospect anymore and is probably a career AAA player.
[*]Eduardo Pagan, at the time of the deal looked like a backup/utility type player, a right handed bat with decent power but no real contact ability or speed. He has the defensive tools to play elite 3B, above average 2B, solid SS, and above average corner OF defense. (Then he bumped for Vegas and now looks like a terrific platoon middle infield power hitter/multi position backup.)[/list]

You know, I don't like Sharp, but Greenville needed outfielders who actually owned baseball gloves and they didn't (at the time) pay much to get him. Vegas flips a replaceable part for lottery tickets, always a good move. Look how that turned out.


Grades
Greenville
Talent: C-
Organizational: C+
Las Vegas
Talent: C-
Organizational: B+



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Huntsville/Greenville
Huntsville receives:
2B Paco Feliz
SP Mark McCray (prospect)
P Fergus Penntcock (prospect)

Greenville receives:
Salary relief.

[list][*]Paco Feliz is a AAA player. Why on earth he was signed to a 3 year, 3+ mil deal in the 2026 offseason is beyond me. Was that you Tyler? If so, shame on you.
[*]Mark McCray is a pretty typical lottery type pitcher. He's got big league level motion and control without an obvious bad split, and simply needs to improve his stuff. He's made some progress in velocity and needs a lot more to really get anywhere.
[*]Fergus Pentcock on the surface looks similar. He's 21 and a lefty, but his problem is that he only has one big league level pitch. It's hard to get people out with just a curveball. He'll need enough velocity improvement to make his mediocre fastball workup, and at his age that's unlikely.[/list]



[list][*]Nothing to see here.[/list]

This again is a reasonable more for both parties. Greenville doesn't give up much of anything to get out of Feliz's terrible contract. Huntsville takes on a salary it can easily buy out and picks up some lottery tickets in the process. The one question I have is did Tyler sign this deal. If so, his grade for this trade goes in the pooper as he signed a guy to a bad deal and then traded away prospects a year later.


Grades
Huntsville
Talent: D+
Organizational: A-
Greeville
Talent:N/A
Organizational: A-, C- if Tyler signed the deal.



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Louisville/Huntsville
Louisville receives:
1B Mike McPherson
SP Steve Riley (prospect)
CF Julian Rodriguez (prospect)
SS Bunny Arojo (prospect)
$20 million

Huntsville receives:
C Paul Scholes

[list][*]Mike McPherson is an alright left handed half of a platoon at DH. He's really a subpar 1B defensively. He can't hit lefties, but he does bring some real power against righty pitching, and his speed is very good for 1B/DH and helps compensate for his averageish contact skills. After a ludicrously high deal to start his MBWBA career, he's reasonably paid at this point.
[*]Steve Riley was already traded once this offseason. Here's what I said when he went from Greenville to Huntsville, after being traded by Louisville to Greenville, after being acquired by Louisville from Tuscon. "Steve Riley is a 21 year old lefty with 4 real pitches and two garbage ones. He has solid velocity, but looks like he'll never be a flame thrower. He's well developed though and looks good to reach his potentials, which should make him a solid #3 type pitcher." The really neat thing about him is that between his cutter, change, splitter and fork, he actually has positive splits against righties. He will later be traded to Huntsville by Louisville. This is fun.
[*]Julian Rodriguez is a 21 year old lefty slap hitter with a solid ability to take a free pass and top end speed. His split against lefties isn't too bad. He doesn't really have the range to play center, but could be a very good RF or LF. Looks like a good leadoff OBP type bat to me.
[*]Felix Arroyo is 19 and looks more like an elite defender at second or third than short. He has terrific hands and a great arm, but his range seems a bit limited for short. It really depends how high of a "7" he is. If he's a not a shortstop, his bat loses some value, but still as a lefty with plus power potential and above average contact, he's a better than average bat at those positions.[/list]



[list][*]Paul Scholes has been around for awhile. He's one of the greatest defensive catchers ever. Again, in OOTP we're not sure what that is worth. He's a lefty catcher with above average contact ability, little power, and a passable ability to take a walk, good for a career .340 OBP at a poor OBP position and 3.5 or so WAR per year, despite being slightly declined according to scouts. His contract is 8 million per for this year and next with an option he may decline for 2030.[/list]

I know that Stever doesn't value prospects as highly as others, but these guys are all older prospects and more developed. This feels like a bit of an overpay. It's mitigated by catcher being a weak position, and that the players he gave up are redundant on his team and in his farm. In terms of sheer talent, this may be a tad too much. Paul Scholes is one the back half of his prime, and the Genius got a leadoff corner OF bat, a solid half og a DH platoon, a mid rotation starter, and a probable starter at some infield position, all of which are weak in this league, not to mention 20 million. Again, Kyle didn't NEED any of those players, and a couple are flat out blocked indefinitely. The Genius does great.


Grades
Louisville
Talent: A
Organizational: A
Huntsville
Talent: A-
Organizational: B-



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Carolina/Greenville
Carolina receives:
2B Matheus Simeo

Greenville receives:
$500k

[list][*]"Prop Joe" is a backup IF making 800k.[/list]



[list][*]$500k is not 20 mil, but it's a lot of pennies.[/list]

Gaaahhhhhh. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care.


Grades
Not worth it.



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And we end with a not even a clunker. More of a plinker. Only one left for 2027. Then onto 2028, where I think I'm only two to three editions behind.
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

Post by aaronweiner » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:08 pm

ROFL.

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Re: Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

Post by aaronweiner » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:08 pm

BTW, Simeo had a 1.6 WAR last year, so that one was a clear win for me.

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Re: Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

Post by Ted » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:53 pm

aaronweiner wrote:BTW, Simeo had a 1.6 WAR last year, so that one was a clear win for me.
You know he's not a bad RH platoon bad. That's probably an overchievement, but shows what a guy can do it used appropriately
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

Post by udlb58 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:42 pm

aaronweiner wrote:BTW, Simeo had a 1.6 WAR last year, so that one was a clear win for me.
I'd have liked to have gotten more money for him; but I turned a minor league signing that I was going to have to let go for nothing in 5 months (he was out of options and was not going to be playing ahead of Workman, Archer, Martinez, Aquino, Savaike, or Rincon) into free cash. I suppose I could have tried to haggle over prospects and either get some scrub equivalent to what you can find floating around the free market or lost out on the deal entirely. I'm glad he did well and the trade worked out for both sides, but as a cash poor team, I'll take money for a player with little value and little hope of playing any time (I'd love to do the same with Rincon :) )
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

Post by aaronweiner » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:53 pm

I didn't say it was ONLY a win for me.

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Re: Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

Post by udlb58 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:32 pm

I made some bad contract offers that first offseason. I overspent on Bolota after losing out on the other top pitchers and bought high on Martin/Feliz who apparently were at the top end of their normal ebb&flow, but I didn't know that at the time and instead of getting the #3 pitcher and decent lefty infielder I thought I was getting, I ended up with a #5 and a backup infielder and I spent over $12M for my troubles.
udlb58 wrote:...My biggest disappointments were the additions of Andy Martin and Paco Feliz. Martin was 8/7/7 when I signed him and he looked like a shrewd pick-up for the #3/4 slot in the rotation. Now he's 7/6/7 and a likely long reliever/righty specialist. Feliz was 6/7/7/4/6 against RHP when I picked him up and now he's 5/7/6/4/6 and may not end up being an improvement over Meilaart at 2nd...
With Sharp. I was thinking we could get lucky and compete. At the time we had literally 0 outfielders who were right handed, and the only guy who could even come close to hitting lefties was Kidd. $2M salary (after the cash), a young arm, and a (then) organizational infielder seemed a reasonable price to pay for a guy who should have gotten 250+ ABs with a ~110 OPS+ in a platoon. Sharp was garbage, and Pagan now looks like a potential MBBA player (though maybe not starter)
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #9 - Offseason pt 3.

Post by Ted » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:20 am

udlb58 wrote:I made some bad contract offers that first offseason. I overspent on Bolota after losing out on the other top pitchers and bought high on Martin/Feliz who apparently were at the top end of their normal ebb&flow, but I didn't know that at the time and instead of getting the #3 pitcher and decent lefty infielder I thought I was getting, I ended up with a #5 and a backup infielder and I spent over $12M for my troubles.
udlb58 wrote:...My biggest disappointments were the additions of Andy Martin and Paco Feliz. Martin was 8/7/7 when I signed him and he looked like a shrewd pick-up for the #3/4 slot in the rotation. Now he's 7/6/7 and a likely long reliever/righty specialist. Feliz was 6/7/7/4/6 against RHP when I picked him up and now he's 5/7/6/4/6 and may not end up being an improvement over Meilaart at 2nd...
With Sharp. I was thinking we could get lucky and compete. At the time we had literally 0 outfielders who were right handed, and the only guy who could even come close to hitting lefties was Kidd. $2M salary (after the cash), a young arm, and a (then) organizational infielder seemed a reasonable price to pay for a guy who should have gotten 250+ ABs with a ~110 OPS+ in a platoon. Sharp was garbage, and Pagan now looks like a potential MBBA player (though maybe not starter)
Couldn't really have predicted Pagan. And the Sharp trade wasn't bad from a fair value standpoint. I just don't like him.
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