Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by Ted » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:44 pm

7teen wrote:OK, someone enlighten me on the Sosa is a cancer thing as I must have missed this conversation or topic. Need to know since I just nabbed him on the Rule 5 from Louisville.

This is bizarre. I could swear he had high greed and horrible work ethic, and the scouting on his personality said "His teammates don't like him." I think he was stupid and lazy before. Now he's normal in both. I think I've seen ratings change on their own before rarely. Either that or I was thinking of someone else. Stu, Jim?
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by agrudez » Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:56 pm

bschr682 wrote:Hahn is a right handed hitting DH. That has very little value in the league.
Since the topic seems relevant once more in light of recent trades, I utterly failed in denigrating Hahn for only his right-handed-itis. I really should've been denigrating him, also, for the fact that he is 6 months from 25 with 7 points of dev left to go. Womp womp.
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by indiansfan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:13 pm

bschr682 wrote:Hahn is a right handed hitting DH. That has very little value in the league. If (and it looks like a huge if) he develops to his fullest, ok. Anything less (especially that contact) and he is borderline useless. That's the reason I have Davis over him because at the end of the day at least Davis can play in the field. Free agency is littered with DH's that would be better than Hahn.

Also I don't think Braun and Bermudez are that special. Braun has defensive chops for sure, but Bermudez seems completely irrelevant.
I hate RH DHs. I think Perez proved how useless they are with his 56 homers. Man they suck. :)
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by recte44 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:16 pm

Nailed it. Gulliver sucks so bad, too.

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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by agrudez » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:18 pm

Your stadiums are both top 3 for RHBs. CAL/VAN can cite a bunch of '6' MOV RHPs that have had success with them that wouldn't succeed elsewhere, too - it doesn't change the fact that *most* teams should not be valuing '6' MOV RHP prospects.

Also, as an aside, if you think Perez is going to put up that same type of season year in and year out, please wait patiently while I find a bridge to sell you. As for Gulliver, we already know that guy is some kind of voodoo with the way he got his development done before midnight (from age 24 to 26 he gained 7 points in the 3 main ratings... basically unprecedented). Maybe you're willing to sacrifice a similar sized bull for Hahn so that he magically finishes developing, too?
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by indiansfan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:36 pm

agrudez wrote:Your stadiums are both top 3 for RHBs. CAL/VAN can cite a bunch of '6' MOV RHPs that have had success with them that wouldn't succeed elsewhere, too - it doesn't change the fact that *most* teams should not be valuing '6' MOV RHP prospects.

Also, as an aside, if you think Perez is going to put up that same type of season year in and year out, please wait patiently while I find a bridge to sell you. As for Gulliver, we already know that guy is some kind of voodoo with the way he got his development done before midnight (from age 24 to 26 he gained 7 points in the 3 main ratings... basically unprecedented). Maybe you're willing to sacrifice a similar sized bull for Hahn so that he magically finishes developing, too?
Well Perez has put up similar numbers the last 3 years. The difference this year is I gave him all the DH at bats.
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by udlb58 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:31 pm

Funny. Zero people have entertained any substantial offers for him since I put him on the block, save Kyle, and I challenged anyone who felt the Karlamov trade and offers were bad to step up and make a better one for Workman. Yet, I had no offers better than what Matt offered. I fully understand Hahn's faults, but I'd rather take a chance (even if it's about as likely as a guy bumping randomly) that he can get to that 7 contact and be a useful player. I viewed him as basically a 6/6/6/9/6 talent player with a chance to bump up higher (by bump, fill out). If he can hit .250/.370/.430 (which he could if he's 6/6/9), he's an average DH.

As most have gone to great effort to point out to me over the past few months, Workman has his share of faults too. If he loses any range, he's suddenly a bad 3B or locked in at 1B.

If you (by you I mean anyone, not any person in particular) think it's such a bad trade, make an offer to Matt. I'm sure he'd love to flip Workman for a much better set of prospects.

Otherwise, I'll be trading Considine at some point and I'm sure 22 teams will think it is a terrible trade. If you want to be the one to fleece me, make an offer. :grin:
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by agrudez » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:39 pm

Knowing your situation (ie. he wouldn't re-sign and you weren't getting any other offers) I wasn't trying to be critical of the trade itself, btw. Just pointing something out on Hahn I missed in the first go around of throwing knives.
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by recte44 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:43 pm

Hahn was a nobody from nowhere when I signed him. He's been a crazy bumper in the last two years. I think he's got a chance.

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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by udlb58 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:07 pm

I think it's very similar to a prospect I traded away two years ago. Gord Downie is a prospect with elite potential, but he bumped with terrible reasons and is playing catch up at an advanced age for a prospect.

I understand that there's a good chance I get raked over the coals but in the absence of a better offer after much trying, it was either risk injury, poor play, ratings drop, and getting even less or losing him for nothing

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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by udlb58 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:07 pm

So with Martinez now 7/10/7 potential and Morales 8/10/3, how does the Indy/Van trade look? (especially with Kharlamov continuing to be good, but not great)

Still a lot of developing to do for those two, but those are much more intriguing prospects if they fill out to 10 power and solid contact.
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Re: Trade Review 2027 #3 - Pre deadline moves pt 2

Post by bschr682 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:51 pm

udlb58 wrote:So with Martinez now 7/10/7 potential and Morales 8/10/3, how does the Indy/Van trade look? (especially with Kharlamov continuing to be good, but not great)

Still a lot of developing to do for those two, but those are much more intriguing prospects if they fill out to 10 power and solid contact.
Well to add to that Kharlamov now wants 18 mil a year and I don't think ill give that to him for the production he has (not) given me, it looks like a deal I very much regret.
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