2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

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2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:39 pm

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I saw Shoeless comment about lefty pitchers and how his team wasn’t facing many so far this year. He used the metric of how many starters had faced him. That got me wondering. It’s been awhile since I looked into the pitcher/hitter platoon thing here. Has it changed much? Is there a real advantage to knowing?

That also got me wondering about the GBC—specifically because I recall an issue a few seasons back where there were essentially no LHP in the league (maybe 5% of PA saw a lefthanded pitcher, as I recall).

So I grabbed the latest plate appearance data I’ve got (as of now—5/23), and took a look:


BBA

Handedness (P/B)LRSTotalPCT
L44981094918921733930.01%
R133872198550614043369.99%
Total1788532934695357772
PCT30.96%57.01%12.04%

GBC

Handedness (P/B)LRSTotalPCT
L8452049397329118.07%
R4786838617531492581.93%
Total563110435215018216
PCT30.91%57.28%11.80%

Bottom line, today the BBA sees 30% of plate appearances are being covered by LHP. In te GBC that’s only 18%, but if my memory is right then that represents a state where the GBC has taken a good step toward the norm. Big ships turn only so fast, right?


Affect on Platoon Advantage

Of particular interest (to me, anyway) is that the scatter of hitters partaking in plate appearances is quite similar between the leagues (LHB ~ 31%, RHB ~ 57%, SHB ~ 12%). This, of course, alters the way the platoon advantage gets distributed.

Doing the quick math, in the BBA, Lefthanded batters get the platoon advantage 75% of their plate appearances. Righthanded batters in the BBA get the advantage about 33% of the time. In the GBC, left-handed batters get that extra nudge 85% of their appearances, and right-handed batters only 19%. This will, obviously, affect league output and overall stats. In other words, BBA GMs signing LHB from the GBC can expect their numbers to go down a bit simply because they are going to left-handed pitching about twice as often as they have in the world they are coming from.


So, what about team differentiation?

Obviously, every team will be different, depending on their roster construction. Since Sacramento is the one who got this party started, I decided to pull the Mad Pope’s Data. Here is the Sacramento pitcher’s table:

Handedness (P/B)LRSTotalPCT
L17863018999755.92%
R20443015278644.08%
Total38210603411783
PCT21.42%59.45%19.13%
Interesting, right? Whereas the league number is about 30% of PA see LHP, when you play Sacramento, that becomes 56%. So your LHB will be fighting the platoon advantage a whopping 47% of the time. (And that’s made even more huge because the L vs. L platoon advantage is much bigger than the R vs. R split). And whereas RHB across the league only receive that platoon advantage 33% of the time, they get is 59% of the time when facing Sacramento.

For completeness purposes, here are the results totals I have for SAC pitchers

SAC Pitchers1B2B3BBBBunt-OutEFOGOHBPHRIBBKSacTotal
L1763846621325225821461611993
R114344571022317682011371785
Total2907281232234754341034729821778
Here are their numbers against LHB:

Vs. LHB1B2B3BBBEFOGOHBPHRKTotal
L27452515830177
R3011217552432537204
Total571522271031012567381
And vs. RHB:
Vs. RHB1B2B3BBBBunt-OutEFOGOHBPHRIBBKSacTotal
L123284482916014617596629
R64181274125984111751429
Total18746575213285244518617111058
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Re: 2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by shoeless.db » Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:08 pm

My heavy-handedness with lefty hurlers is what made me surprised about facing only five LHP starts. It does feel (since I don’t do numbers, that’s all I have to work with) as though platoon advantage has been merged a bit with v25. But that could be due to how splits are now figured or shown. Before, it seemed like every hitter had a split of some kind. They are rarer now.

Also, the lack of lefties out there has me even more excited about the Year of the Zurdo.
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Re: 2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by BaseClogger » Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:20 pm

The Pacific seems tilted towards more RH heavy lineups so I view the lack of lefties the Popes have seen as an adjustment to that fact.
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Re: 2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by woods » Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:18 pm

Interesting. I think the GBC's perpetual lack of lefties is a testament to what Shoeless says in his linked article above, "A solid lefty is better than a solid righty". Meaning if there's a solid lefty, the BBA will scoop them up and find a spot for them. The GBC ends up with the leftovers, which are a bunch of righties that couldn't find jobs.

It's true though. Lefty starter that couldn't hack it? He'll end up in a bullpen somewhere. Those guys are valuable.
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Re: 2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by Bob Breum » Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:50 pm

When you live in Charm City's world, i.e., the Atlantic Division, you better have a plan against southpaws. Their rotation is always heavily populated with lefties. Currently, four of their five starters are left-handed. Rockville runs out three southpaws in their rotation.

I'm a huge fan of platooning. This season is an outlier, because two of my left-handed hitters are hitting better against left-handed pitching than right-handers, albeit small sample size. Historically, it's rare for me to start left-handed hitters against left-handed starters. So far this season, we are 14-5 against left-handed starting pitching. That's not sustainable, but it does reflect the care that I put into preparing for Charm City. Against right-handed starting pitching, we roll out four left-handed hitters and three switch hitters, with only our two right-handed sluggers Wilkinson and Allen in the lineup.
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Re: 2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by Bob Breum » Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:58 pm

RonCo wrote:
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That also got me wondering about the GBC—specifically because I recall an issue a few seasons back where there were essentially no LHP in the league (maybe 5% of PA saw a lefthanded pitcher, as I recall).
That was when we were running London. I noticed it and brought it to everyone's attention. I made every effort to load up on left-handed batters and write off the few games we would play against southpaws.
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Re: 2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by Bob Breum » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:12 pm

RonCo wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:39 pm
Bottom line, today the BBA sees 30% of plate appearances are being covered by LHP.
This is in line with the MLB IRL. LH pitchers account for 27.3% of plate appearances.

This is an interesting article from FanGraphs that addresses platoon advantage from both the batter's and pitcher's standpoints.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/are-you-a-s ... e-too-bad/
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Re: 2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:42 pm

Here is a quick and dirty cut at calculating the platoon advantages and disadvantages in the BBA as of May 23 of this year...
BAVGLHPRHPOBPLHPRHPSLGLHPRHPOPSLHPRHP
LHB.248.264LHB.306.329LHB.387.442LHB.693.770
RHB.259.257RHB.324.315RHB.427.409RHB.752.724
SHB.266.259SHB.322.320SHB.404.405SHB.726.726
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Re: 2061 - Lefty Loosey, Righty Tighty – Pitchers and the Handedness

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:46 pm

As expected, the platoon advantage means that you ALWAYS will choose to send a LHP against a LHB. And as a LHB, you ALWAYS want to face RHP.

A lot of people seem to think that the platoon advantage is a fairly static thing, but it is not. The platoon advantage a LHB gets is considerably higher than the platoon advantage of a RHB. But if you have a LHB who cannot hit LHP, that player pretty much has to have a platoon buddy, preferably a "lefty masher."
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Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:47 pm

I'll note that SHB in OOTP seem to tend toward being a little better than in the MLB, but I'm not sure that's really right.
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Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:49 pm

As an OOTP general manager, when you can find a LHB who can actually hit LH Pitching, that player is worth his weight in Fresca, or whatever your drink of choice.
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Post by BaseClogger » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:58 pm

I think the switch hitters being more effective against LHP is a product of our LHP being weaker on average (overall ratings) than our RHP. Especially against opposite hand hitting. Lots of LOOGYs.
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Post by Bob Breum » Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:13 pm

I always make a point of checking switch hitters to see if they have a platoon issue. My anecdotal experience is that many switch hitters favor one side or the other. Furthermore, it usually seems to be hitting from the left side.

I looked at the current BBA universe and found 458 switch hitters. I summed CON+GAP+POW+EYE for each hitter, relative to each hand. Then I calculated the difference between hitting vRHP and hitting vLHP, where a positive result favors hitting vRHP. Here is what I found:

Platoon Factor (Positive prefers to hit vRHP)

>2>1>00<0<-1<-2
24961292785192
5%21%28%61%11%2%0%
My anecdotal experience is confirmed. While 61% of switch hitters are agnostic regarding pitcher hand, 28% of them are better at hitting RHP, while only 11% favor hitting LHP. Those who prefer RHP are much more likely to have a relatively heavy platoon factor as compared to those who favor hitting LHP.

The most extreme platoon factors among switch hitters belong to these guys:

NameΔBAΔCONΔGAPΔPOWΔEYEΔKΔSUM
Resurrection Santos III2222117
Shane Holmes0012306
Benjamin Zimmerman1111306
Alfredo Pereira0111316
Sammy McNeill1221126
Kata Ishibashi0111205
Milojica Kraljevic1121115
Mauro González1111104
Jubair Nazim0111104
Gilberto Ortíz1120104
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Post by ae37jr » Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:30 pm

I feel like the league is less splitzy than it's ever been. At least while I have been around. Back in the mud 20's through early 40's I'd platoon at almost every position. There were hundreds of players that were drastically better against lefties or righties. Maybe it's the new ratings masking it better(which is a good thing IMO), but it seems harder to find true platoon players now.
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Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:34 pm

Maybe it's a little smaller gap, but I think the new rating scheme is certainly masking it more. The numbers above show that the gap is still pretty large in practice.
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Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:38 pm

Bob Breum wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:13 pm
My anecdotal experience is confirmed. While 61% of switch hitters are agnostic regarding pitcher hand, 28% of them are better at hitting RHP, while only 11% favor hitting LHP. Those who prefer RHP are much more likely to have a relatively heavy platoon factor as compared to those who favor hitting LHP.

The most extreme platoon factors among switch hitters belong to these guys:

NameΔBAΔCONΔGAPΔPOWΔEYEΔKΔSUM
Resurrection Santos III2222117
Shane Holmes0012306
Benjamin Zimmerman1111306
Alfredo Pereira0111316
Sammy McNeill1221126
Kata Ishibashi0111205
Milojica Kraljevic1121115
Mauro González1111104
Jubair Nazim0111104
Gilberto Ortíz1120104
Right. Ishibashi is for all purposes, a LHB.

I assume you're noting that the splits you're seeing are all created only when a split crosses a 1-10 bar. Those guys who have no delta almost certainly have measurable splits in their performance that you won't see unless you're looking at stat lines.
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Post by Lane » Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:39 pm

ae37jr wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:30 pm
I feel like the league is less splitzy than it's ever been. At least while I have been around. Back in the mud 20's through early 40's I'd platoon at almost every position. There were hundreds of players that were drastically better against lefties or righties. Maybe it's the new ratings masking it better(which is a good thing IMO), but it seems harder to find true platoon players now.
without doing any research, this feels right to me
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Post by Bob Breum » Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:53 pm

RonCo wrote:
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As an OOTP general manager, when you can find a LHB who can actually hit LH Pitching, that player is worth his weight in Fresca, or whatever your drink of choice.
This inspired me to find out who these guys are. This is a list of 50+ potential hitters who have identical ratings against either hand. The 20 overall guys may not have revealed their true colors yet so don't bet the farm on them.

I've got one of these guys (Roosevelt Davis) and I traded away another (Leonardo Rodriguez).

NamePOSOVRPOT
Christos Samios1B2080
Lau-po ChouSS2080
Kenny PetersonRF2080
George SticklerRF4080
Ramón RodríguezLF6570
Víctor RiveraCF2070
Luigi Canavan1B6565
William Coleman1B3565
Dave MatthesLF5065
Mike Hickey1B2060
Czar Mamatulin1B6060
Guo-feng Rao3B2060
Al SchumannLF4060
Roosevelt DavisRF5060
Jung-sang KunRF2060
Brando BettizaC2055
Awad bin MutaC2055
Bradley RusselC4055
José Cardoza1B4555
De-shi Kuo1B5555
Paul Long1B4055
Stephen Skandalis1B2055
Abdul-Muta'al bin EssamSS2055
Roberto GabrielLF5555
Hanna HamalLF2055
Bartolo McFaddenLF5055
Zhao-hui ChenCF2055
B.J. JensenRF2055
Amin Hisham1B2050
Hamdan Nuh1B4550
Leonardo Rodríguez1B5050
Kardal bin Zakiy2B2050
Juan Silva2B5050
Alik GermashevSS2050
JABBER BHATTILF2050
Benedict DanielLF5050
Vicente MartínezLF2550
Boguljub PograjacLF2050
Ricardo SantosLF2050
Abhijana SwamyLF3550
Tung-chi LeiCF2050
Sabeer bin Sa'idRF2050
Rodrigo CabreraRF4550
Germán MercadoRF2050
Stephen SchmidtRF4050
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