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2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:03 pm
by Lane
A Look at Stadiums, Ages, Dues, and Sizes

The first in a series where we look at the current state of stadiums in the BBA and dive into building, maintaining and renovating the parks.

From the Constitution, a reminder about our stadium fee factors and schedule.
BBA Only): Stadium Maintenance is an integral part of the league’s financial model. Stadiums must be properly maintained over time or they will become old and unappealing to fans. Therefore, each team will be required to pay annual fees based on the age, size, and features of its stadium. Payments are generally made from a team’s Bonus fund accounts, but may also come from cash on hand or exchange of PP as necessary.

Per annum fees are dependent on the age of your stadium.

0-9 years old are free from expenses.
10-19 years old require a base 2.5M or 25 PP.
20-29 years old require a base 5M or 50 PP.
30-39 years old require a base 7.5M or 75 PP.
40-49 years old require a base 10M or 100 PP.
50 years or older require a base 15M or 150 PP.

Note that the bigger the stadium the harder it will be to maintain. As such, the pros and cons of added capacity for both the present and future should not be taken lightly. Maintenance costs will be adjusted by a maintenance factor as follows:

30-35K seats have a maintenance factor of 0.8
35-40K seats have a maintenance factor of 0.9
40-45K seats have a maintenance factor of 0.95
45-50K seats have a maintenance factor of 1
50-55K seats have a maintenance factor of 1.05
55-60K seats have a maintenance factor of 1.1
60-65K seats have a maintenance factor of 1.2

Additional Maintenance fees:

Grass –Grass stadiums cost a base $500,000/year to maintain.
Artificial Turf – Artificial Turf is free to maintain each year.
Permanent Roof – cost a base $500,000/year to maintain.
Retractable Roof – cost a base $1,000,000/year to maintain.

At any time, if you would like to reduce these dues you may exercise the PP reward to build a new stadium and drop back maintenance to 0 for ten years. See the section on Ballpark Rewards for details.
Age

The average BBA stadium is now 20.9 years old, and the with one stadium making a debut in 2060, the youngest is now Austin and the oldest are Calgary and Des Moines, at 36 years.

Rounding out the stadiums over 30 years old are Vancouver (35), Twin Cities (31), Phoenix (31), Long Beach (31), Charm City (31), and San Antonio (30).

The youngest after Austin are Omaha (2), Bikini (3), Atlantic City (4), Rocky Mountain (7), and Hawaii (8). All other BBA stadiums are between 14 and 28 years old.

Stadium Features

Three teams currently play on artificial turf (NO, LOU, DM), with the rest playing on good old fashioned water hungry grass.

We’ve also go the option for open-air, retractable roof or domed stadium. Nine teams (BIK, HAW, LV, NO, POR, BOI, YS, SA, VAN) have opted for a retractable roof. To the dismay of the Cullen family, there are no active teams in the BBA playing under a dome, with the remaining 23 teams playing in open air.

Capacity

The base capacity for a new ballpark in the BBA is 35,000 and the league rules limit maximum capacity to 65,000. The current stadiums range in capacity from 40,000 (Hawaii) to 65,000 (SAC, NSH, YS, LBC). The average stadium today holds 53,000 with a median size of 50,000 (nine teams), which is tied for most common capacity with another nine teams at 45,000.

Maintenance

Of course, all of these factors contribute to everyone’s favorite aspect of the league, stadium maintenance dues. In total, BBA teams paid $93,795,000 in stadium dues for the 2060 season. That’s an average of $2.93 million per team. Austin, Bikini, and Rocky Mountain, have no per annum fees by virtue of being less than ten years old, and pay only maintenance for grass (and in Bikini’s case, a retractable roof).

On the other end of the scale, we have our 35 year old cathedral in Vancouver, Northwoods Outpost. They shelled out $5,625,000 this season for the age, plus their fees for the retractable roof and grass playing surface. San Antonio, Long Beach and Twin Cities also foot a hefty annual bill of at least $5 million this season. The median figure is $3,250,000 for the 2060 season.

Fun Fact

The most popular recent seasons for stadium construction were 2029 (expansion adding Charm City and Twin Cities, plus Long Beach relocating and Phoenix with a new build) and 2033 with another four stadiums (YS, NSH, MEX and RCK).

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:25 pm
by RT60
why would someone choose to pay money for real grass or a retractable roof? to feel better about their stadium? i read it doesn't have an impact in the game

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:27 pm
by RonCo
Retractable roofs certainly remove rainouts and rain delays. So there's a direct impact on pitcher usage and fatigue.

I'm not certain that turf doesn't increase injuries at least. It could also increase doubles and/or increase BABIP...though I would expect that to be minimal.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:58 pm
by Bob Breum
Lane wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:03 pm

We’ve also go the option for open-air, retractable roof or domed stadium. Nine teams (BIK, HAW, LV, NO, POR, BOI, YS, SA, VAN) have opted for a retractable roof.
Ubisoft Field in Montreal has a retractable roof.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:27 pm
by Dington
RonCo wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:27 pm
Retractable roofs certainly remove rainouts and rain delays. So there's a direct impact on pitcher usage and fatigue.

I'm not certain that turf doesn't increase injuries at least. It could also increase doubles and/or increase BABIP...though I would expect that to be minimal.
Brace yourselves. Graphs are coming.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:29 pm
by RonCo
Alas, I'm a little crammed this week.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:38 pm
by Trebro
RonCo wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:27 pm
Retractable roofs certainly remove rainouts and rain delays. So there's a direct impact on pitcher usage and fatigue.

I'm not certain that turf doesn't increase injuries at least. It could also increase doubles and/or increase BABIP...though I would expect that to be minimal.
Artificial turf is of the devil. Even if it's just aesthetic, baseball should always be played on grass.

For whatever it's worth, knowing that for 81 of our 162 games we don't have to worry about double-headers, thanks to our retractable roof, plus probably another 20 or so games from our Frick peers, really makes roster management easier, since we can't do expanded rosters for double-headers. The small extra fee for that is worth it, to me. Unless there's an in-game reason to do so, I expect any new stadium I build will pay for a retractable roof.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:27 pm
by chicoruiz
Logically it would seem that a retractable roof would help ticket sales, since it eliminates bad weather as an issue, but who knows if the game factors that in…

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:27 pm
by chicoruiz
Nm

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:22 am
by trmmilwwi
This was a fun read, thanks for putting this information together. We need a new stadium in San Antonio for sure!

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 8:41 am
by ae37jr
I think I'm going to keep our old stadium for a long time just to be different. Plus the math doesn't totally make sense to me...

It costs
-$50 million base
-100 PP(which equals $10 million)
-$11 million to bump it up to 55,000 seats
-$10 million in lost revenue year one(going from 65K to 55K at $20 per ticket)
-$5 million to bump it to 60,000 after year 1
-$5 million in lost revenue year two(going from 65K to 60K at $20 per ticket)
-$5 million to bump it to 65,000 after year 2

That's $96 million right there. I'm not even counting playoff money lost in year one and two(until you can max out at 65k again).Spread across a 10 year payment plan is $9.6.

Now, the math is different for every team. Not everyone already has a 65k stadium, not everyone can fill a 65k stadium at $20. Maybe teams have $100 mil in cash laying around where they don't need a payment plan. But I would argue in most cases it's more economical to add more seat than to build a new stadium until the stadium is 49 years old. Cause at 50 it jumps to $15 million base per year and I can't even make that make sense for the sake of stirring the pot and enticing a debate.

The counter point is that you would save a lot in years 11-30 or 40. But let's be real. For most teams, that's probably the next GM's problem.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:37 am
by Trebro
Why couldn't you just go with 65k from the start?

Also, I think it would depend on how much bonus funds you have around and how many spare PP you have saved up.

Honestly never considered the idea of GM longevity factoring in. Good point.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:28 am
by Lane
Bob Breum wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:58 pm
Lane wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:03 pm

We’ve also go the option for open-air, retractable roof or domed stadium. Nine teams (BIK, HAW, LV, NO, POR, BOI, YS, SA, VAN) have opted for a retractable roof.
Ubisoft Field in Montreal has a retractable roof.
Didn't know that! Stadium tracker shows no roof. Guess you owe $16 million in back maintenance dues ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:44 am
by ae37jr
Trebro wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:37 am
Why couldn't you just go with 65k from the start?
The constitution doesn't specifically say you can't... but only tells you the costs up to 55,000 under new stadium costs.

In stadium renovation, it does specifically say that you can only add 5,000 per season.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:35 am
by Lane
Yeah there's a discount for adding 10k or 20k upon building a new stadium but there's no written restriction about adding the final 10k. Not sure if the intention is to limit to 55k for new build or not.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:35 am
by Trebro
ae37jr wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:44 am
Trebro wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:37 am
Why couldn't you just go with 65k from the start?
The constitution doesn't specifically say you can't... but only tells you the costs up to 55,000 under new stadium costs.

In stadium renovation, it does specifically say that you can only add 5,000 per season.
Can we get a clarification on this? There are multiple folks about ready to build potentially and knowing what size we're allowed to start with is important.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:07 pm
by Lane
Trebro wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:35 am
ae37jr wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:44 am
Trebro wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:37 am
Why couldn't you just go with 65k from the start?
The constitution doesn't specifically say you can't... but only tells you the costs up to 55,000 under new stadium costs.

In stadium renovation, it does specifically say that you can only add 5,000 per season.
Can we get a clarification on this? There are multiple folks about ready to build potentially and knowing what size we're allowed to start with is important.
I'll defer to @recte44 for that determination.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:29 pm
by recte44
The Constitution is correct as worded. You cannot open a stadium that big.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:42 pm
by Lane
thanks. i added wording so that there is no confusion.

Re: 2060 State of the Stadiums

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:54 pm
by Trebro
Thank you. I am curious as to the reasoning on that since most stadiums don't expand past their original capacity these days but at least everyone knows for sure and can plan accordingly.

That definitely makes whether to swap out a stadium at all if you're already at 65K a totally different animal IMO because of 2 years of revenue losses.

Off the cuff I think Alan may be correct that if you are often at capacity and especially if you are a playoff team, rebuilding doesn't make sense.

Clearly not a problem for the Nine hahaha!