Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

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Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Trebro » Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:36 am

So I'm a man who loves having fun with numbers. Not a shock I play OOTP, right?

I was thinking about how the league stands in terms of Participation Points. We all know some folks are more prolific than others, but how does the league as a whole shape up? Who's an outlier one way or other? Do more people clump together in a certain range? And does that even matter?

I'm going to open this by noting that I am not calling anyone out here, one way or the other. I'm not listing team names in any of this. But I do think it's clear that there's a rather large gap, as we'll see, in terms of how PPs spread across GMs. And that, in turn, definitely has an impact on how things go in the league, especially when you think about total PP earned and how they can be used.

So...how do you find out more about Participation Points?

Well, let's ask our friends mean (average), median (central number), and mode (most frequent number) and see what they have to say:

Here's a look at 2059, our just completed season:
Mean 66.25
Median 32.625
Mode 23.5

Lowest PP: 4.5
Highest PP: 305.75
If you want to get really geeky, here's how our quartiles broke down in 2059:
Quartile One (the median of our lowest set of PP teams): 19.75
Quartile Two (our overall median): 32.625
Quartile Three (the median of our highest set of PP teams): 91.5

Five teams "broke" the quartiles by being well over 1.5X the range between Q1 and Q3. All had over 200 Participation Points.
Just for fun, I also ran 2058:
Mean: 60.45625
Median: 30.25
Mode: 30.25

Lowest PP: 3.75
Highest PP: 372

Quartile One: 20.5
Quartile Two: 30.25
Quartile Three: 77.25

Only 4 teams broke things, with scores of 171, 190, 230.5, 372
The disparity is a bit lower two season ago, but the pattern is the same.

So what does this tell us? Well, it means that that I don't really like using mean as a way to see how things are going. Let's use 2059 only to talk about why, because otherwise this will become a novel instead of a post.

Our average of 66.25 isn't really a good baseline, because it's thrown off by the five 200+ point folks. (Outlier data tells us that the folks who struggled to generate PPs did not impact the overall data as much as those whose points flowed like water.)

I think the median and mode are far more interesting and reflective of how the league is doing, PP-wise. The man in the middle earned 32 PP. That's enough to get a few million bucks in cash to help pay for your stadium, convert a reliever, and/or make a few improvements to a player's skills. The mode, 23.5, nets even less.

Looking at it this way, what I see is that the people on the high side of the 32.625 divide really get a leg up in terms of what they can do to improve their team, either by working on their players or ensuring they have the cash to pay for things like draft picks. It enables them to acquire talented but troubled players and look to "fix" them via skill adjustments.

By no means am I calling this out to say there's something wrong with the PP system. Far from it! I'm providing this to show that a good chunk of the league, basically half of it, have a huge opportunity to make changes to their teams by involving themselves more in the PP system. Meanwhile the other half, let's call them them "Gay 90s" because I'm feeling really silly and a bit tired, put themselves in a position to be a bit more aggressive or take chances because they have PP to work with every off-season.

In other words: Writing another 5-10 team news each season could make a big difference. Those 10-20 extra points are out there, and it's no coincidence to me that some of the GMs who are the most successful are also those in the 200 club. I hope this review will help you when you're thinking about whether or not to take advantage of the PP system.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Jwalk100 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:45 am

Nice @Trebro!
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by RT60 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:46 am

I need PP just to pay my electric bill at the park.

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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by DugoutDesperado » Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:42 am

Good article :)

As someone trying to PP their way out of debt, I agree 100%. :)
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Krathan » Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:56 am

Very interesting stuff. Thanks.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by RonCo » Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:27 am

I'll admit I don't really know why more GMs don't like to tell little snippets about their team or players. To me, that immersion into the world is a large part of the fun of being in an online league. That and the chess game thinking that goes into running a team. Just have fun, I figure. Be like Vic. Enjoy the team, win or lose, and the league will always give back more than you give.

Back in the day I used to put out a PPT report every season. Bottom line, as with everything else, participation begets participation...and a lot of it has to do with participation on the FORUMs. When someone puts down a TN and no one reads it or comments on it, or whatever, I think that turns some folks off. Literally the easiest PPT points on the board are the 15 you get from Forum posts. All you have to do is chat and comment, shooting from the hip, all season long. That's barely even writing. But very few people ever get those 15.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by RonCo » Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:29 am

Here's one of those old PPT Reports. You can see the arrow going up. :)

http://montybrewster.net/forums/viewtop ... rt#p203620
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Krathan » Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:33 am

RonCo wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:27 am
I'll admit I don't really know why more GMs don't like to tell little snippets about their team or players. To me, that immersion into the world is a large part of the fun of being in an online league. That and the chess game thinking that goes into running a team. Just have fun, I figure. Be like Vic. Enjoy the team, win or lose, and the league will always give back more than you give.
This is a big part of it for me too. I learn a lot about my team and organization by writing about them. Sometimes people read, thank, and/or comment on my TN and sometimes they don’t. Either way, I get to dig deeper into my players and learn what I really have going on in my org.

And then there are those times when I get inspired to write something fun that builds up the “lore” of my team and the league and that becomes its own kind of fun that helps the immersion even more.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Chuck V » Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:47 am

Krathan wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:33 am
RonCo wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:27 am
I'll admit I don't really know why more GMs don't like to tell little snippets about their team or players. To me, that immersion into the world is a large part of the fun of being in an online league. That and the chess game thinking that goes into running a team. Just have fun, I figure. Be like Vic. Enjoy the team, win or lose, and the league will always give back more than you give.
This is a big part of it for me too. I learn a lot about my team and organization by writing about them. Sometimes people read, thank, and/or comment on my TN and sometimes they don’t. Either way, I get to dig deeper into my players and learn what I really have going on in my org.

And then there are those times when I get inspired to write something fun that builds up the “lore” of my team and the league and that becomes its own kind of fun that helps the immersion even more.
This is where I find the most benefit as well. I also like to use my team news to get my frustrations out. :D
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Krathan » Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:53 am

Chuck V wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:47 am

This is where I find the most benefit as well. I also like to use my team news to get my frustrations out. :D
This is absolutely a great use for TN too! 😂
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Jwalk100 » Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:50 pm

Chuck V wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:47 am
Krathan wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:33 am
RonCo wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:27 am
I'll admit I don't really know why more GMs don't like to tell little snippets about their team or players. To me, that immersion into the world is a large part of the fun of being in an online league. That and the chess game thinking that goes into running a team. Just have fun, I figure. Be like Vic. Enjoy the team, win or lose, and the league will always give back more than you give.
This is a big part of it for me too. I learn a lot about my team and organization by writing about them. Sometimes people read, thank, and/or comment on my TN and sometimes they don’t. Either way, I get to dig deeper into my players and learn what I really have going on in my org.

And then there are those times when I get inspired to write something fun that builds up the “lore” of my team and the league and that becomes its own kind of fun that helps the immersion even more.
This is where I find the most benefit as well. I also like to use my team news to get my frustrations out. :D
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by BaseClogger » Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:30 pm

I definitely get discouraged by the lack of comments. More than half the 30 TN posts I made last season failed to draw a reply.

If I enjoy reading a TN post I try to “thank” the author. I also push myself to comment something of substance that might start a conversation. That’s enabled me to get the full 15 points for forum posts despite it feeling like I’m talking to myself or just a few others most of the time.

A theory I have is that people are afraid of appearing confrontational so they never challenge or question anything. I think that’s when the fun happens.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by RonCo » Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:21 pm

Chuck V wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:47 am
Krathan wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:33 am
RonCo wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:27 am
I'll admit I don't really know why more GMs don't like to tell little snippets about their team or players. To me, that immersion into the world is a large part of the fun of being in an online league. That and the chess game thinking that goes into running a team. Just have fun, I figure. Be like Vic. Enjoy the team, win or lose, and the league will always give back more than you give.
This is a big part of it for me too. I learn a lot about my team and organization by writing about them. Sometimes people read, thank, and/or comment on my TN and sometimes they don’t. Either way, I get to dig deeper into my players and learn what I really have going on in my org.

And then there are those times when I get inspired to write something fun that builds up the “lore” of my team and the league and that becomes its own kind of fun that helps the immersion even more.
This is where I find the most benefit as well. I also like to use my team news to get my frustrations out. :D
In a lot of ways, it's easier and more fun to write about my team when things aren't getting along so good.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Chuck V » Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:46 pm

BaseClogger wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:30 pm
I definitely get discouraged by the lack of comments. More than half the 30 TN posts I made last season failed to draw a reply.

If I enjoy reading a TN post I try to “thank” the author. I also push myself to comment something of substance that might start a conversation. That’s enabled me to get the full 15 points for forum posts despite it feeling like I’m talking to myself or just a few others most of the time.

A theory I have is that people are afraid of appearing confrontational so they never challenge or question anything. I think that’s when the fun happens.
I really think it has more to do with time. Between maybe 6-7 teams posting almost daily, league announcements, league news, etc., sometimes it’s tough to get theough them all. I am trying to make a.better effort this year with more comments, more polls and more TN.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by lordtoffee » Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:47 pm

I always try and keep a balance in TN between writing something that I think people would be interested in with trying to keep some strategies to myself.
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Post by trmmilwwi » Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:13 am

Great info, thanks for this insight!
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by JimSlade » Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:20 pm

I fell behind on my writing last season. Work and life got too busy. I hope to get back on pace this season, and I would love to be more prolific, as well. I have been thinking that the more my team and organization is composed of guys I've developed or acquired that I'll have more of a vested interest in their stories.

The PP thing, unfortunately, has not been a motivator for me. I have a hangup about paying to "mod" players. It's weird, but it feels like cheating to me. I don't feel like you guys are cheating, mind you, it's just goes againat my weird personal code. Maybe I simply need to try modding a player or whatever and see how I feel. For years, I didn't drink or smoke pot. Until I did, which I would go on to like too much for the next 5 years. 😄

Something's got to give with my work-life balance. I do have some kids developing who feel like my players, products of how I like building a team. I hope I can find a rhythm in the trade market. The market always seems loaded with old, fragile guys and first baseman, which I tend to ignore. I've currently got little to deal that could get me what I desire. I can keep working in that.

Anyhow, despite my writing slump and the lack of excitement my writing inspires, I do work hard on the game and enjoy seeing how you go about your business, write about the league. Hopefully I will get some more traction this season.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by CTBrewCrew » Sat Aug 03, 2024 7:45 am

Weve mentioned this before but the discord usage impacts thees numbers too. I really had a fun time writing the TN for gerties gilrs last season. I made the season more enjoyable for me. I know everyone cant read / reply to them. Dont get me wrong i like it when someone does read it, but i do them because i like to. (Thank for reminding us of that Vic) There are so many great TN and history in this league. I feel bad that i cant get to all of them in a timely manner.

Still one of my favorite TN from phx is when he commented on me thanking him for a TN that was like from 2 years ago.

I think its kinda cool there ate so many uses for an owner to use their PPT as they see fit.
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by Jwalk100 » Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:05 pm

I wonder how large the book would be if we printed all this stuff in the forums?
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Re: Fun with BBA PP Data OR Why You Really Should Write Team News

Post by recte44 » Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:12 pm

Jwalk100 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:05 pm
I wonder how large the book would be if we printed all this stuff in the forums?
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