2057 – Aging Out: Thirty-Six

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2057 – Aging Out: Thirty-Six

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:35 pm

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Here’s another edition of the little series I’m doing on older players in the BBA, again, focusing on when they are dropping off rather than what will happen to those they leave behind as they go. To recap, it seems that from 38 and up, players begin dropping almost like flies, and we lost about half of the population per season. Thirty-seven year olds look a bit more stout, and though it would probably be best for a third of them or so to retire, most can probably do something for teams that can squint hard at to ignore their deficiencies.

As makes some sense, 36-year-olds continue the trend.

There are a bunch. Forty-eight of them, or roughly 1.5 per team.

Of them, three retired, and it’s fair to argue that maybe ten more should have but didn’t.

And then there’s Hugh Mangrothormone.

Here’s the list;

POSNameTMAgeOVRPOTCONGAPPOWEYEK'sSPESTEPAAVGOPS+WAR
CFFélix RománMEX368080991067996740.2811526.2
RFÁngel GonzálezVAN3670708107499116320.3011334.9
3BTony FrostVAN36707078778456670.2551214.1
RFAndré LyOMA366565688869105820.2391144
SSPepe EspinosaRMO367575697586104690.3171483.9
DHGonzalo MartínezEDM36656578878856820.2981473.9
RFAires PenharandaPOR36606078757886440.2711123.6
LFWilson AlomarCCJ36606088758195820.3151303.3
3BGary AllenBOI36555558757736220.2791203.3
SSJuan Luis ManuelLV366060555758105530.248893.1
LFThéo BourgesSEA36606068758896700.2811032.5
CKazuki SaitoSEA36555577327114780.3231032.5
3BErnesto GonzálezATC365555784379116290.293952.3
3BDon PérezPHX36555578549795800.285952.3
3BAlejandro CórdovaLBC366565675869115890.244842.2
3BWilson AndradeSEA365555775373106640.301982.2
3BRon RitchieSFB366060664677103780.299971.9
LFReggie VargasPHX36707078967193150.2631281.5
LFPaul KempBOI36555078737364610.2841080.9
CFOrlando OrdóñezOMA365050566549101500.2941300.9
CRandy BaderRetired363535486634101170.236960.9
CFGilberto FalchonelliTWC36606077768893770.234880.7
CFOmer DijkstraLV36555557737810920.3181520.7
3BAlfredo RosasMEX36656587758166540.2761020.6
1BSemei KwakouLOU36505068657864910.2811140.5
1BAarnoud BuddingMTL366565711965214930.2341020.4
1BRobert ChenowethDM366565898468103560.25890.3
LFGirolamo L'ArchibudelliDM3660608845109113660.288970.2
CFFrédérick BrissetSEA365555566759113130.205630.1
2BJosé SánchezPOR36555578149782220.264830.1
3BEric JonesLV3650506855823280.269970.1
1BErnesto SousaLV36555578836522590.2891050
1BHugh MangrouthormoneVAN36505058122461040610
CFSawyer SlizzRetired36454559758810210.25890
RFPedro BustamantePOR36656588848665300.27105-0.1
RFPedro HuertaMTL36656571085910104940.23791-0.1
LFMatthew Reilly-36505087648791240.26169-0.1
3BWllibald Akbulut-36555567666311280.15412-0.2
3BJuan Medrano-365555551969102090.19456-0.2
3BIván GonzálezRetired36454556566111030.20251-0.3
2BFrancisco ArredondoTWC36555578758791960.22854-0.5
SSJeremy WebbNSH365555585666101770.18234-0.5
SSWagaw Fakihi-365050475579101920.17943-0.5
SSReynante Alvero-364545453658111320.16426-0.6
LFBret PowersVAN3670707810463103560.24586-0.9
SSHéctor VázquezYS9364545561667102630.22653-0.9
LFJúlio BarajasRCK36505075637176070.25974-1.8

Where do we start in trying too digest what this collection means? I suppose a properly diligent journalist would dig through every player and focus attention on whether he was truly finished, including lots of conversation about team situations and other such nuance. But life is really too short now, isn’t it? And no one will ever mistake me for a proper journalist, anyway.

So let’s try it this way:

Twelve of these 48 (or 25%) registered negative WAR. Those twelve players averaged about 250 PA. Max was Rockville’s Julio Barajas, who was allowed 607 AP to create that -1.8 WAR. Digging into them a touch, I’m suspecting most of them will have a hard time getting a BBA gig this time around because even the “up the middle” specialists look to me to have a hard time convincing most focused GMs that they can field much at all.

Maybe Jeremy Webb might stick someplace.

Maybe.

A 34 OPS+ is very hard to watch.

Fifteen of these guys (30%) registered positive WAR under 1.0. So, basically replacement level, expect that they averaged about 310 PA apiece to do it. That suggests they played something of a valuable role in pieces. Presumably, if pressed to fulltime roles, most of these guys would have depressed their value…and I can see that. Perhaps most prevalent in this list is the venerated name od Semi Kwakou, who saw 491 PA, mostly against RHP, and registered half a WAR. Personally, if you look at his stat lines, I think that says something id broken in OOTP WAR, but the face remains that he saw only 44 PA against LHP, for which there is a reason.

Dig into the details of these guys and you can find more such examples—players who can still really play, but need a little care and handling from a manager to avoid causing problems.

I’ll expect to lose a few of these simply due to availability of younger and cheaper options at various positions. Vegas’s Erensto Sousa, for example, might have a hard time sticking at 1B. Then again, as a LHB, maybe not. Time will tell.

Bottom line her, though, is that this leaves nineteen guys at age 36 who are pretty clearly still workable players and who will make impacts. This inlcudes six guys who tallied 4 WAR (including the two at 3.9 because ho is stressing over .1 WAR?). These are Edmonton’s Gonzalo Martinez, Rocky Mountain’s Pepe Espinosa, Omaha’s Andre Ly, Vancouver’s Tony Frost and Ángel González, and (of course) Mexico City’s future Hall of Famer Félix Román.

That’s some serious star power right there.

At question is whether any of them will fade this year, or next, or if not, well, when?

The bell tolls eventually, right?

It will be interesting to take a look at this list next year, and see if there’s an answer, yet. If I were a betting person I’d say we’ll see about 25% drop out of the league, 25 % become hanger-on-ers, and the rest continue to be valuable.
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Re: 2057 – Aging Out: Thirty-Six

Post by BaseClogger » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:00 pm

I like this series, if for no other reason, as a way to review who retired this offseason. That's a thing that doesn't get enough attention by the sim summaries.
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Re: 2057 – Aging Out: Thirty-Six

Post by BaseClogger » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:06 pm

RE: Kwakou, it was a 114 wRC+ season mostly at 1B. What do we figure the league average wRC+ is at 1B, probably right around there? And he was slightly negative defensively. So yeah, maybe should have been worth 1.0-1.5 WAR. Maybe I'm underestimating the average offensive output at 1B. There are tons of 60 OVR rated free agent 1B, after all.
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Re: 2057 – Aging Out: Thirty-Six

Post by Knucklehead254 » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:15 pm

Hoping Frost and Gonzalez keep up their good forms
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Re: 2057 – Aging Out: Thirty-Six

Post by Trebro » Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:37 pm

Ron just for fun. how many fictional MLB players were age 36 in that historical year of 2023?
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Post by CTBrewCrew » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:40 pm

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