The Value of Outfield Arms

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The Value of Outfield Arms

Post by RonCo » Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:51 pm

Here’s a study I was just beginning to get interested in when I last dropped off. What, I asked myself, is the value of outfield arm in controlling the running game. In order to fully study this, I need to figure out a way to track the status of base runners through nothing but parsing game logs. I’m sure it can be done. I just haven’t taken the few days it would need for someone as dense as me to figure out.

So right now, all I can get is something fairly simple.

That being two things:

  • When a runner tries to take the extra base, how often are they safe?
  • When a runner tags up, how often are they safe?

With my script, I can get to some fairly fine detail…as in which outfielder was involved, and what base are the runners trying to take advantage of. To present that detail would take some serious manual work, and since I’ve only got partial, small sample size data, the cost/benefit ratio is not high. So instead I’ll just put the high-level raw data here so that we can all mostly just stare at it and see what we think:

Remember, this data is only from June 2-Sept 14:

Row LabelsOF AssistsExtra Bases TakenTag Throw OutTag Safe
Atlantic City Gamblers17168643
Boise Spuds20133737
Brooklyn Robins20181455
Calgary Pioneers12157134
Charlotte Cougars13135538
Charm City Jimmies18116734
Chicago Black Sox11164742
Des Moines Kernels161161033
Edmonton Jackrabbits12143337
Hawaii Tropics17139845
Jacksonville Hurricanes12137130
Las Vegas Hustlers211571244
Long Beach Surfers11154549
Louisville Sluggers20176941
Madison Wolves18155743
Mexico City Aztecs21151632
Montreal Blazers19132734
Nashville Bluebirds14125529
New Orleans Crawdads26175439
Omaha Cyclones15102619
Phoenix Talons17170951
Portland Lumberjacks15145835
Rockville Pikemen24172842
Rocky Mountain Oysters15149241
Sacramento Mad Popes16130741
San Antonio Outlaws10129430
San Fernando Bears17155338
Seattle Storm16141433
Twin Cities River Monsters151391043
Valencia Stars17135441
Vancouver Mounties9152243
Yellow Springs Nine15171240
Grand Total51947041831236

Fascinating, isn’t it?

One thing to realize right off the bat is that without further context, these this stat is a lot like double plays. For a team to lead the league in outfield assists, it helps if the pitchers (or defense) puts a lot of runners on base. So that alone is not a good thing—as New Orleans fans can attest. Their outfielders have gunned down 26 guys trying to take the extra base. Rockville is next at 24.

On the other hand, Des Moines outfielders have erased 10 guys trying to tag up, a rate that I think leads the league.

So that’s interesting. I’ll keep an eye on it next year when we might have enough data to actually say something real with. And, if I get some sudden time/insight, perhaps I’ll be able to track runner state, too. Which would be great, right? I mean, what idiot doesn’t want to know how often a 9 arm in right field keeps a runner from even attempting to dash home from first on a double into the corner?

… All right. Don’t answer that.
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Re: The Value of Outfield Arms

Post by Jwalk100 » Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:18 pm

This one is very interesting.
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Re: The Value of Outfield Arms

Post by RonCo » Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:25 pm

I'll admit I ponder the chart at this point. I think the data is good, but I dunno. Vancouver looks horrible here. Right this minute they have some good arms in the lineup.

Time will tell.
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Re: The Value of Outfield Arms

Post by RonCo » Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:59 pm

RonCo wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:25 pm
I'll admit I ponder the chart at this point. I think the data is good, but I dunno. Vancouver looks horrible here. Right this minute they have some good arms in the lineup.

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Anyway ... digging into the Vancouver data and spot-checking a bit, I can say that the tabulation of actual results from the game logs seems to be correct. I'm interested now in runners who take extra bases on ground balls vs. fly balls vs. line drives, though. I hadn't thought about that. Must do more thinking.
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Re: The Value of Outfield Arms

Post by jleddy » Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:32 pm

RonCo wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:25 pm
I'll admit I ponder the chart at this point. I think the data is good, but I dunno. Vancouver looks horrible here. Right this minute they have some good arms in the lineup.

Time will tell.
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Re: The Value of Outfield Arms

Post by RonCo » Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:33 pm

Yeah. I do actually wonder if that massive min-value park warps these numbers a little.
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Re: The Value of Outfield Arms

Post by BaseClogger » Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:54 pm

Never thought about how my wonky outfield dimensions would impact what kind of arms I need in the outfield. In theory I could get away with Johnny Damon’s in the corners but need a cannon in CF.

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Re: The Value of Outfield Arms

Post by RonCo » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:47 pm

I don't know how the park would influence that, but I don't know that it doesn't ... that's part of the fun of looking at the data, though.
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Re: The Value of Outfield Arms

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