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Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:31 am

So since I had the WAR data for every player who appeared in the BBA, I figured I might as well look at what the approximate HOF standards are for each position, as well as where some guys who are not in (active and retired) stack up. For each position you will see the following numbers, all except number of inductees are based on WAR.

Inductees
Mean
Top 25%
Top 50%
Top 75%

For each list of "snubs" (recognizing that active people are not snubs yet), I listed them if they were over the following benchmarks:

Top 10 at position
Over 50 WAR (hitters) or 60 WAR (pitchers)
Would be in top 75% of HOF

Let the great HOF debate begin!!
POSNUMBERMEANMEAN SNUBTOP 1/4TOP 1/2TOP 3/4TOP 1/2 SNUBTOP 3/4 SNUB
C1063.5071.969.2558.703
1B/DH1873.17185.470.8565.111
2B1367.87070.261.951.6538
SS992.10120.284.872.7500
3B1073.98080.764.460.667
LF1163.68275.966.243.3115
CF1569.11181.974.767.501
RF1064.41182.264.646112
Pre-modern SP1589.632100.5686.9670.61313
Modern SP2685.86098.6386.3971.5406
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:32 am

C (10 inductees) Mean 63.5, Median 69.25, 25% 71.9, 50% 69.25, 75% 58.7
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
CElroy Hinson2020203974.30YES
CJason Dunn2011202972.80YES
CCisco Arreola2025204171.90YES
CJeremy Hunter1996201171.30YES
CDexter Sheehan2003201770.20YES
CBilly Wilson1984199868.30YES
CHank Brewer2027204466.90YES
CRiley Hinson1984200258.70YES
CErnest Watts2010202556.70YES
CDickey Brinkman1976198623.90YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
CLewis Stephens2014202961.20NO
CRafael Avila1999201560.50NO
CMaxwell Weiss, Jr.2010202859.60NO
CHurley Reyes1990200857.90NO
CSam Brewington2001201757.40NO
CPedro Berrios2002201756.20NO
CTobias Kelly2001201756.10NO
CJuan Castillo2019203555.60NO
CHsin Mei2031204752.60NO
CPeter McClure2014202550.30NO
Top 3/4 Snub: Stephens, Avila, Weiss Jr.
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:34 am

1B/DH (18 inductees) Mean 73.17, Median 70.85, 25% 85.4, 50% 70.85, 75% 65.10
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
1BPaul Barfoot19942015110.00YES
1BRandy Spratt1978199494.10YES
1BDuane Whitley2001201791.60YES
1BJuan Escobar2021203791.20YES
1BFrank Thomas III2016203585.40YES
1BAlberto Guzman2005202076.00YES
1BLucas McNeill2027204475.00YES
1BBo Jordan2014203172.70YES
1BBombo Vadabonceour1976199171.30YES
1BTed Sale1985200770.40YES
1BCisco Guerrero2023204069.80YES
1BFernando Moreno2022203767.30YES
1BGervasio Ridder2024204065.70YES
1BFraser Dodson2001202165.10YES
1BFred Mahaffey1979199462.80YES
1BBartolo Melendez2012202660.60YES
1BAntonio Sanchez2018203556.30YES
1BDusty Rhodes2026204231.90YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
1BMark Simpson2030204778.40NO
1BDave Manzanillo1986200062.90NO
1BFlavio Luna1988200261.80NO
1BTai hoi Wie2032204760.90NO
1BBrock Lee1991200753.70NO
1BWilliam Moreland2028204353.60NO
1BRafael Bido2020203351.00NO
1BLucio Vazquez2012202549.30NO
1BVicente Vasquez2002201449.10NO
1BEsteban Contreras2019203644.50NO
Mean Snub: Simpson*
Top 1/2 Snub: Simpson*
Top 3/4 Snub: Simpson*, Manzanillo, Luna
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:36 am

2B (13 inductees) Mean 67.87, Median 61.90, 25% 70.2, 50% 61.9, 75% 51.65
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
2BCharles Puckett19972021165.70YES
2BDouglas Newhouse1996201597.40YES
2BBrian Clough2016203773.00YES
2BValeri Kharlamov2020204067.40YES
2BBernard Maselli1997201565.20YES
2BDonald Noboru1997201265.10YES
2BLance Pere1993201361.90YES
2BRob Van Winkle1991200460.70YES
2BEric Martin2006201854.70YES
2BErnie Stauffer2008202353.00YES
2BMons Raider2031204450.30YES
2BRyoko Masaki1978199135.40YES
2BHayfu Sobah1973198132.50YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
2BDong-po Thum2039204766.50NO
2BKenare Sobah1992200565.00NO
2BJuan Pablo2020203562.00NO
2BAngel Zalapa2036204757.90NO
2BMark Bruner1995200857.20NO
2BChris Workman2021203857.10NO
2BMark Wareham2030204753.20NO
2BJack Maverick1977199452.80NO
2BJohn Neely1998200951.10NO
2BMack Randall1991200450.30NO
Top 1/2 Snub: Thum*, Sobah, Pablo
Top 3/4 Snub: Thum*, Sobah, Pablo, Zalapa*, Bruner, Workman, Wareham*, Maverick
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:37 am

SS (9 inductees) Mean 92.1, Median 84.8, 25% 120.2, 50% 84.8, 75% 72.75
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SSRafael Rodriguez19922011128.10YES
SSBopper Kengos19962018127.00YES
SSJared Gillstrom20262043113.40YES
SSRoman Empire19972014101.80YES
SSWaichirou Moronobu1995201284.80YES
SSDoug Glover2012202678.20YES
SSJonathan Archer2015203273.10YES
SSDonnie Rotten1981199972.40YES
SSJack Hanski1978199050.10YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SSTim McGraw1989200561.50NO
SSGeorge Bellairs1995201359.20NO
SSArchie Ayrault1981199458.50NO
SSKenji Masaki1995201153.30NO
SSKanzaburo Yamaguchi2002201653.00NO
SSJack Dark1984200050.90NO
SSDave Pruitt2012202650.80NO
SSZebediah Williams1984200049.80NO
SSChip Puckett2034204748.80NO
SSHenry Hill1979199148.20NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:38 am

3B (10 inductees) Mean 73.98, Median 64.4, 25% 80.7, 50% 64.4, 75% 60.6
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
3BRogelio Morales19962016138.50YES
3BHenry Jones1979199688.00YES
3BJake Urban1995201480.70YES
3BHunter Eisenhower2019203676.10YES
3BDwayne Johnson1992200866.70YES
3BTrey Williams2008202362.10YES
3BBenjamin Caldwell1977199461.80YES
3BDale Bunker2005202160.60YES
3BCarlton Winson2029204160.40YES
3BJon McNecirty1973198744.90YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
3BDiego Moreno2017203369.90NO
3BRobert Jowers1995201368.20NO
3BRashardo Menne, Jr.1983199867.00NO
3BAshton Fontenot1997201265.60NO
3BDavid Noboru2030204764.90NO
3BBoone Carlyle2016203464.70NO
3BMark Dempsey2023203963.40NO
3BEmilio Morales2031204756.50NO
3BJake Mills1989200455.70NO
3BJohn Wilkinson1999201254.50NO
3BAlex Ramirez2037204753.30NO
3BSteven Collins III2036204752.50NO
3BPaco Morales2001201151.70NO
3BKevin Minuso2013202451.70NO
3BMasuichirou Bunjiro1992200351.50NO
3BTony Franco2019203750.90NO
Top 1/2 Snub: Moreno, Jowers, Menne Jr, Fontenot, Noboru*, Carlyle
Top 3/4 Snub: Moreno, Jowers, Menne Jr, Fontenot, Noboru*, Carlyle, Dempsey
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:40 am

LF (11 inductees) Mean 63.68, Median 66.2, 25% 75.9, 50% 66.2, 75% 43.3
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
LFSteve Collins19781994111.10YES
LFDaniel Labrie1995201285.60YES
LFJohnnie Iraq1992200975.90YES
LFAlfredo Salazar2025204174.10YES
LFFrank Boerner1983199769.90YES
LFHector Cano2014203266.20YES
LFJuan Garcia2013202454.90YES
LFMarquis Futon1973198343.40YES
LFJim Wilson2002201543.30YES
LFJoe Gillstrom1973198340.20YES
LFJoe Belinda1987199935.90YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
LFMike Love2014203271.10NO
LFDennis French2037204764.30NO
LFNiguel Halime1998201060.50NO
LFJuan Rivera2040204760.40NO
LFAaron Haney2040204755.80NO
LFJuan Karyabwite2032204748.90NO
LFBilly Beauford2007202348.70NO
LFStephen Shier1977199447.30NO
LFJack Robbins1989200547.30NO
LFDaniel Labrie, Jr.2016203146.90NO
LFJoey Rosko2014202645.50NO
LFFelipe Vega2039204745.40NO
LFJohn F. Kennedy, Jr.1984199544.70NO
LFWill Simmons1999201344.40NO
LFOswaldo Gaona1976198744.00NO
Mean Snub: Love, French*
Top 1/2 Snub: Love
Top 3/4 Snub: Love, French*, Halime, Rivera*, Haney* Karyabwite*, Beauford, Shier, Robbins, Labrie Jr, Rosko, Vega*, Kennedy Jr, Simmons, Gaona
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:41 am

CF (15 inductees) Mean 69.11, Median 74.7, 25% 81.9, 50% 74.7, 75% 67.5
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
CFLeon Sandcastle20172037108.10YES
CFTipper Kengos1996201685.60YES
CFJuan Heredia2003202482.10YES
CFArmando Santos1996201381.90YES
CFSawyer Silk1981199581.80YES
CFJorge Rodriguez2018203481.10YES
CFBolt Vanderhugen1989200778.20YES
CFAlfredo Martinez2024204174.70YES
CFRoss White1997200974.00YES
CFEmilio Rodriguez2016203472.80YES
CFTom Laverriere1978199368.40YES
CFMario Soriano2021204067.50YES
CFScott Bucher1973198432.80YES
CFSam Hell1973198331.70YES
CFWillie Mays Hayes1973198016.00YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
CFDash Kelly1991200870.10NO
CFKal El2013203065.60NO
CFBrett Caves1996200859.10NO
CFMilt Linares, Jr.2008202358.10NO
CFFelix Roman2040204757.40NO
CFRoland Carroll1997201257.20NO
CFResurrection Santos1993201354.90NO
CFBenjamin Franklin Pierce2016203254.80NO
CFMonty Lynch1989200253.10NO
CFTheo Bourges2041204749.20NO
Mean Snub: Kelly
Top 3/4 Snub: Kelly
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:42 am

RF (10 inductees) Mean 64.41, Median 64.6, 25% 82.2, 50% 64.6, 75% 46.0
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
RFMorris Pennebaker1989200795.50YES
RFMike Clarke1989200690.30YES
RFGary Barr1982200482.20YES
RFAl Jones2003201967.70YES
RFJohn Bockus1979199467.30YES
RFMiles Dalrymple1973198761.90YES
RFGlen Groves1982199760.20YES
RFElroy Futon1973198146.00YES
RFPeter Pete1973197936.60YES
RFLong Chamberlain1983199436.40YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
RFKevin Haubert1977199370.90NO
RFEmile Santos1977199461.70NO
RFDavis Birch1975199460.70NO
RFSadaharu Oh, Jr.1989200658.60NO
RFMartin Felix2011202956.00NO
RFMedric Wood1985200555.30NO
RFDavid Simpson2039204753.00NO
RFCarlos Gonzales2028204348.30NO
RFSemei Kwakou2039204748.20NO
RFRobert Nolan1985200446.80NO
RFGuam Fantomhorsfli1989200446.40NO
RFAngel Gonzalez2039204746.10NO
Mean Snub: Haubert
Top 1/2 Snub: Haubert
Top 3/4 Snub: Haubert, Santos, Birch, Oh Jr, Felix, Wood, Simpson*, Gonzalez, Kwakou*, Nolan, Fantomhorsfli, Gonzalez*
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:44 am

Pre Modern SP (15 inductees) Mean 89.63, Median 86.96, 25% 100.56, 50% 86.96, 75% 70.61
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPSteve Nebraska19731991248.90YES
SPJohn Ross Riles, Jr.19812002135.73YES
SPKen Howell19842005112.41YES
SPJerry Syed19761990110.65YES
SPMichael Mangual19751991104.66YES
SPBill Max19751989101.16YES
SPFernando Huertas1976199399.95YES
SPMark Bobovnik1979199298.63YES
SPRoy Hobbs, Jr.1973198295.06YES
SPJustin Alexander1976199283.03YES
SPJohan Schmatzhagen1973198482.97YES
SPKurt Stallwith1973198468.44YES
SPHeath Rockefeller1985199663.24YES
SPRyan Dunne1973198961.73YES
SPVernon Simpson1973197827.40YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPLorenzo Diaz1974198992.03NO
SPVoo Fowler1973198389.95NO
SPBraggo Franco1978199488.34NO
SPShamus Perfetto1984200082.74NO
SPClaver Olmeda1982199381.77NO
SPMatt Ryan1981199381.49NO
SPCorey Aubrey1974198878.31NO
SPAlex Lopez1978199175.46NO
SPTimothy Regina1982199773.88NO
SPHi Brown1985200073.59NO
SPSam Kirkpatrick1982199473.21NO
SPMark Fidrych1978199172.79NO
SPIsidro Guiterrez1982199471.13NO
SPEvander Kilkenny1985199770.50NO
SPFloyd Bannister1983199670.45NO
SPMicheal Cassidy1977198868.88NO
SPHank Daniels1984199762.79NO
SPPaul Khalil1977199261.13NO
SPHayden Finch1985199960.61NO
SPJulio Guillerma1973198360.35NO
SPGerardo Caputo1974199060.28NO
Mean Snub: Diaz, Fowler
Top 1/2 Snub: Diaz, Fowler, Franco
Top 3/4 Snub: Diaz, Fowler, Franco, Perfectto, Olmeda, Ryan, Aubrey, Lopez, Regina, Brown, Kirkpatrick, Fidrych, Guiterrez
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:45 am

Modern SP (26 inductees) Mean 85.86, Median 86.39, 25% 98.63, 50% 86.39, 75% 71.54
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJay Lee19942009121.74YES
SPAllen Izatt19922010109.55YES
SPRobbie Sargent19982016109.04YES
SPChristopher Stoller19962011103.50YES
SPBilly Chapel, Jr.2017203497.74YES
SPJeff Kiplinger1991200996.95YES
SPDavey Acheson2000201790.94YES
SPEnrique Gomez2022203887.91YES
SPMike Swanson2014202687.72YES
SPAmen Mitrani1995200987.34YES
SPRicardo Diaz2019203887.19YES
SPDan Cannon2028204486.96YES
SPManuel Ramirez2018203585.83YES
SPMichael Strathallan2005201882.87YES
SPLarry Lasalle1994200782.21YES
SPGabriel Campos2012202680.49YES
SPTom Madonald2005202180.13YES
SPRussell Vanness1993201474.90YES
SPGary Estes2017203573.72YES
SPMingo Boone2016203471.54YES
SPNelson Ramirez2020203469.68YES
SPPerry Eccles2008202566.53YES
SPSteve Hoffman2011202966.48YES
SPBryan Walden2013202563.73YES
SPManny Bautista2017203162.65YES
SPLawrence Columbus LaLoosh2026203953.53YES
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPLuis Gracia2028204585.10NO
SPEddie Harris1989200483.77NO
SPArthur Dempster2031204782.86NO
SPSammy Bodeen1991201373.59NO
SPMichael Shellenbarger1992200672.97NO
SPJohn Rasmussen1999201472.82NO
SPDavid Crocker2000201470.60NO
SPShane Wookey1994200969.47NO
SPDave Martin2029204567.45NO
SPChip Foodie1989200666.77NO
SPJuan Jose Ornelas2021203566.56NO
SPJim Brochtrup1995200665.82NO
SPMauro Flores2029204365.60NO
SPJim Schmidt2004201664.37NO
SPCarlos Valle2035204764.15NO
SPDamian Bedgood1989200564.09NO
SPJon Chandler2020203563.21NO
SPWilliamson Prushnok1988200462.97NO
SPDevon Hyngary1993200962.90NO
SPAlbert Martinez2010202461.29NO
SPEduardo Lopez2021203560.77NO
SPPhil Leftwich1993200460.67NO
SPFeliciano Rafael2033204760.57NO
SPKen Walter2033204760.35NO
SPCarl MacNeill2005201560.09NO
Top 3/4 Snub: Gracia*, Harris, Dempster*, Bodeen, Shellenbarger, Rasmussen
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Hall of Famers (and Not) by Position

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:52 am

To wrap this up, here are the retired guys that would be in the top 50% of the HOF in terms of WAR but have not been elected to this point. Active guys on this list include 1B Mark Simpson, 2B Dong-po Thum and 3B David Noboru

2B Kenare Sobah
2B Juan Pablo

3B Diego Moreno
3B Robert Jowers
3B Rashardo Menne Jr
3B Ashton Fontenot
3B Boone Carlyle

LF Mike Love

RF Kevin Haubert

SP Lorenzo Diaz
SP Voo Fowler
SP Braggo Franco
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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