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Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:00 am
by usnspecialist
This is a companion to the position players version of this list here and pitchers here, and represents a combined ranking of the 2 lists. I will also be mentioning where each year ranks in the sub-categories in each post Some notes as a refresher below.

-WAR and WAR alone is used for this. While you can argue about how accurate WAR is, it provides a consistent and uniform measure for comparison
-There is no subjectivity in this list, the rankings are purely objective based on the simple formula that I came up with (explained below)
-Each class is broken down into 6x categories, each of which covers a 10 WAR span minus the top one (20 WAR, 30 WAR, 40 WAR, 50 WAR, 60 WAR, 70+ WAR). 20 WAR was used because that is a reasonable cutoff for a solid career, and 70 was the high end because once you get to that point you are a very likely Hall of Famer and going much higher would distort the numbers too much.
-Formula: 20 WAR= 1 Point, 30 WAR= 2 points, 40 WAR=3 points, 50 WAR=4 points, 60 WAR=5 points, 70+ WAR=6 points. Each player only counts for their final total (i.e if you get 45 WAR, you only get 3 points, you don't get the points for passing 20 and 30 WAR).
-Ties were broken by the year with the most total 20+ WAR players, followed by the highest category of WAR total (NOT the individual point total within that category)
-Every player with 20+ WAR or the top 10 (whichever is more) is listed for each class
-I included every class from 1973-2047, even though the newer classes still have people piling up totals so this list will change
-All data is through the end of the 2047 season.

I will list all players over 20 WAR or the top 10 (in the case of those without 10 players over 20).

A notes on the WAR used here. For the hitters I used HTML data due to some discrepancies discovered with stats+ data. For the pitchers unfortunately they do not list WAR for each pitchers and I am not going through 4545 individual player pages to get the WAR for them, so we are going to use stats+ for them.

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:03 am
by usnspecialist
T73) 0 Points: 2047

Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPKen Sparks204720475.29NO
SPLoan Duval204720474.79NO
SPKen Arroyo204720474.49NO
RPTodd Stone204720474NO
SPChris Thompson204720473.12NO
2BPete Brace204720472.90NO
RFMartin Hemming204720472.80NO
CFLuis Manuel Alonzo204720472.80NO
RPDamian Taylor204720472.44NO
SPAdrian Custello204720472.43NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:27 am
by usnspecialist
T73) 0 Points: 2046

Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPDave Corfield2046204710.16NO
CIchizo Sugiyama204620479.60NO
SPKyle Smallwood204620478.05NO
SPPhil Cole204620477.55NO
SPSteve Warren204620476.29NO
SPPeter Dean204620475.9NO
RPJay Hodge204620474.19NO
SPThomas Turner204620474.01NO
SPSeth Harris204620473.82NO
RPJuan Martinez204620473.69NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:32 am
by usnspecialist
T73) 0 Points: 2045

Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPBernie Stuart2045204712.2NO
RPDerrick Chaney2045204711.04NO
SPBarney Lindsay204520479.02NO
SPNathaniel Davis204520476.7NO
SPJuan MarroquI­n204520476.68NO
SPMatt McCartney204520476.3NO
SPWarren Moore204520476.12NO
SPScott Davis204520475.9NO
3BRoberto Rivera204520475.60NO
SPEdward Crutcher204520475.56NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:31 am
by usnspecialist
72) 2 Points: 2044

Batting: 70
Pitching: 70

2x Total: 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPBill Constable2044204723.1NO
3BLuis Mendoza2044204720.50NO
SPDon Jaramillo2044204716.21NO
3BMal Fountain2044204712.90NO
RPCarlton Casson2044204712.78NO
SPGusby Pinkerton2044204712.5NO
1BTim Battle2044204711.80NO
SPAmos Swallows2044204711.02NO
CFFrederick Brisset204420479.80NO
RFJose Romero204420479.30NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:39 am
by usnspecialist
71) 4 Points: 2043

Batting: 71
Pitching: 67

3x Total: 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPRuben Vazquez2043204730.42NO
SPFrancisco Franco2043204721.66NO
RPCarlos Flores2043204720.64NO
SPDave Lee2043204719.11NO
1BWilson Estrada2043204717.50NO
1BChris Mann2043204715.70NO
3BAlfonso Trinidad2043204714.30NO
SPFelipe Guevara2043204712.42NO
RPLuis Manuel Rodriguez2043204711.64NO
CFArvin Duggan2043204710.60NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:45 am
by usnspecialist
70) 9 Points: 2042

Batting: 61
Pitching: 72

7x Total: 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
1BLarry Stinson2042204736.30NO
CFJuan Donestevez2042204734.30NO
1BManny Collazo2042204725.70NO
1BCarlomaria Donadoni2042204724.20NO
RFPedro Bustamante2042204723.90NO
LFJim Ashford2042204720.60NO
RFDonald Miller2042204720.20NO
3BAlfredo Rosas2042204719.80NO
CFOmer Dijkstra2042204718.40NO
SSPepe Espinosa2042204718.00NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:48 am
by usnspecialist
69) 9 Points: 2004

Batting: 69
Pitching: 60

7x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJim Schmidt2004201664.37NO
RFRichard Wilcox2004201327.80NO
3BDuncan Harvey2004201626.90NO
SPWill Craig2004201823.76NO
SPJohnny Carter2004201322.97NO
3BShawn McClure2004201722.50NO
1BStephen Lubin2004201221.10NO
SPJared Dorsey2004201919.69NO
RFIgnacio Ramos2004201817.50NO
SSPaco Torres2004201617.00NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:06 am
by usnspecialist
68) 12 Points: 2009

Batting: 67
Pitching: 66

6x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPAntonio Rodri­guez2009202651.89NO
1BBob Ritchie2009202339.00NO
2BEric Thorne2009202137.70NO
RFBob White2009202335.60NO
CFJose Cruz2009202024.90NO
SPSheng Yen2009202423.02NO
SPJoe Miller2009202018.96NO
RFTodd Clay2009202316.70NO
LFHarvey Newton2009202115.20NO
SPDon Miller2009202012.92NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:09 am
by usnspecialist
67) 13 Points: 1980

Batting: 63
Pitching: 65

8x Total: 1x 40 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
2BAnthony Walker1980199343.70NO
CFJoey Beggiani1980199137.30NO
RPDenny Wegman1980199535.96NO
SPLewis Bauder1980199332.47NO
RPJerry Neal1980199327.31NO
LFGlenn Miller1980199325.50NO
CSang Lim1980199120.70NO
3BJoe Kyle1980199120.40NO
CRay Lewis1980199113.80NO
RFLiam Carr1980198913.80NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:10 am
by usnspecialist
66) 14 Points: 2006 (1x HOF)

Batting: 58
Pitching: 69

6x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 2x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
2BEric Martin2006201854.70YES
CChuck Bowers2006202046.00NO
SPMorgan Ackerman2006202244.40NO
SSOrlando Alejo2006201930.40NO
CFBart Lavigne2006201926.70NO
RFPat Curry2006201822.50NO
3BArturo Martinez2006201617.80NO
1BOrlando Chavez2006201417.30NO
RPJonathan Sorensen2006202416.72NO
RFAustin Gibson2006202016.60NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:15 am
by usnspecialist
65) 15 Points: 2038

Batting: 62
Pitching: 61

10x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 7x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPDanya Tchekanov2038204752.08NO
RFMike Campbell2038204739.90NO
SPZak Johnson2038204731.73NO
RFMillard Younger2038204729.50NO
SPJim Armstrong2038204729.18NO
CFKidane Ata2038204728.70NO
CFPo-sin Shi2038204725.10NO
LFAnastasio Lopez2038204722.70NO
2BEdgardo Encarnacion2038204721.70NO
CFDan Flores2038204721.20NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:17 am
by usnspecialist
64) 17 Points: 2036

Batting: 59
Pitching: 64

8x Total: 2x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 3x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
2BAngel Zalapa2036204757.90NO
3BSteven Collins III2036204752.50NO
RFRamon Pagan2036204736.90NO
SPStephen Taub2036204734.11NO
SPJose Martinez2036204731.07NO
3BRoss Quicker2036204729.00NO
SPLuther Summers2036204528.37NO
SPLuis Rojas2036204722.92NO
1BYunosuke Terada2036204519.90NO
2BMiguel Rodri­guez2036204619.90NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:20 am
by usnspecialist
63) 17 Points: 2035

Batting: 65
Pitching: 51

9x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPCarlos Valle2035204764.15NO
3BQuant Kouros2035204742.70NO
3BJuan Mendoza2035204732.30NO
SPKnud Zeitler2035204730.95NO
RPManuel Andres2035204629.50NO
SPHao Kun2035204726.75NO
SPAlejandro Ramirez2035204623.12NO
LFLuis Costello2035204722.50NO
LFVirgil Shafer2035204221.10NO
2BKeith Dean2035204619.50NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:21 am
by usnspecialist
62) 21 Points: 1988

Batting: 60
Pitching: 49

8x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPWilliamson Prushnok1988200462.97NO
1BFlavio Luna1988200261.80NO
SPFelix Pan1988199943.20NO
1BDavid Smurf1988199939.30NO
SPSantos Vazquez1988199731.76NO
1BAkiru Matsumoto1988200030.10NO
2BTommy Corcoran1988199825.60NO
SPDaniel Kinard1988200025.39NO
LFHernando Padillo1988199917.50NO
LFCarmelo Murillo1988199516.50NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:23 am
by usnspecialist
61) 23 Points: 2007

Batting: 54
Pitching: 55

10x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 3x 40x WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPEsteban Beni­tez2007202556.65NO
LFBilly Beauford2007202348.70NO
SPJason Brooks2007202445.21NO
LFEd Mansfield2007202041.10NO
CRon Lipp2007202438.30NO
SSAlonso Rodri­guez2007202038.00NO
SPRussell Martin2007201937.97NO
3BArmando Rosales2007201937.40NO
RFLee O'Herlihy2007202028.50NO
3BRuben Venegas2007201822.00NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:25 am
by usnspecialist
60) 23 Points: 2023 (1x HOF)

Batting: 55
Pitching: 52

10x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
1BCisco Guerrero2023204069.80YES
3BMark Dempsey2023203963.40NO
SPJesus Tonche2023203747.99NO
SPMiguel Datiz2023203439.19NO
SPRick Ward2023203533.91NO
SPMario Mendez2023203630.26NO
3BAtilio Seabra2023203527.10NO
CFJorge Martinez2023203526.00NO
SPChester Kipling2023203321.59NO
LFJuan Cruz2023203420.00NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:35 am
by usnspecialist
59) 23 Points: 2024 (2x HOF)

Batting: 48
Pitching: 61

10x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 60 WAR, 1x 50x WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
CFAlfredo Marti­nez2024204174.70YES
1BGervasio Ridder2024204065.70YES
SPJose Chavez2024203854.53NO
SPTavio Ciccolella2024203938.44NO
3BHolden Blackwell2024203727.20NO
CFFrancisco Flores2024203626.60NO
CSam Adams2024203526.40NO
SSPaul Backstrom2024203626.20NO
3BLuke Jordan2024203523.00NO
SPGerardo Castillo2024203520.38NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:20 am
by usnspecialist
58) 23 Points: 2026 (3x HOF)

Batting: 57
Pitching: 46

12x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 7x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SSJared Gillstrom20262043113.40YES
SPLawrence Columbus LaLoosh2026203953.53YES
SPJody Nunez2026203734.54NO
SPAntonio Correa2026203633.89NO
1BDusty Rhodes2026204231.90YES
SPJorge Ortiz2026203728.92NO
RFSteve Dempsey2026204225.70NO
1BRupert Grant2026204225.60NO
SPAlfredo Granados2026203624.87NO
2BDave Wilfer2026203724.70NO
SPJuan Hernandez2026203624.69NO
RPEsteban Velasquez2026204121.50NO

Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:26 am
by usnspecialist
57) 23 Points: 2025 (2x HOF)

Batting: 51
Pitching: 56

10x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
LFAlfredo Salazar2025204174.10YES
CCisco Arreola2025204171.90YES
SPAnastasio Quintana2025203534.43NO
LFJorge Rodriguez2025204133.60NO
SPGerardo Fajardo2025203933.23NO
SPMike Bailey2025203830.12NO
CFJorge Vargas2025203928.10NO
SPMarcos Villegas2025204023.74NO
CFDomenic Wyatt2025203922.90NO
SPGabriel Alfonso2025203520.21NO