Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:39 am

16) 26 Points: 2008 (2x HOF)

11x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 5x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPMichael Mangual19751991104.66YES
SPBill Max19751989101.16YES
SPBobby Carey1975198536.98NO
SPJacob Butler1975198335.86NO
SPJackie Varela1975198532.85NO
RPJames Raya1975198632.07NO
SPTodd Adams1975198831.41NO
SPMark Catron1975198325.28NO
SPCesar Tostado1975198522.11NO
SPSol Hernandez1975198721.91NO
SPJesus Calabro1975197920.77NO
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Des Moines Kernels: 52-

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JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:40 am

15) 27 Points: 1983

11x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 50WAR, 3x 40 WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPFloyd Bannister1983199670.45NO
SPPete Redfern1983199453.85NO
SPBill Walters1983199648.39NO
SPRay Fontenot1983199444.67NO
SPHenry Ellis1983199543.07NO
RPGil Daniels1983199637.6NO
RPKevin Saucier1983199633.93NO
SPPedro Bilbao1983199428.86NO
SPShelby Palubiak1983199026.37NO
SPEric Van Leemer1983199621.53NO
SPBill Swaggerty1983199120.42NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:42 am

14) 28 Points: 2029

8x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 3x 50WAR, 1x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 1x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPDave Martin2029204567.45NO
SPMauro Flores2029204365.6NO
SPCisco Morales2029204455.4NO
SPCristobal Hernandez2029204252.75NO
SPEgbert Behner2029204350.22NO
SPAlfredo Contreras2029203948.78NO
SPJose Trujillo2029204136.66NO
SPMartin Ssempa2029203420.99NO
RPElwood Blues2029204212NO
SPGermao Traado2029203511.98NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:45 am

13) 29 Points: 1982 (1x HOF)

7x Total: 4x 70+ WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 1x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPClaver Olmeda1982199381.77NO
SPTimothy Regina1982199773.88NO
SPSam Kirkpatrick1982199473.21NO
SPIsidro Guiterrez1982199471.13NO
SPPhil Longwell1982199533.16NO
SPFloyd Futon1982199431.92NO
SPTim Bombardier1982199428.38NO
RPRicardo Barrera1982199516.75NO
SPClyde Mercedes1982198915.75NO
SPChuck Schaller1982198812.5NO
Despite an absurd 4 pitchers over 70 career WAR (tied for the most of any class of pitchers), the only HOFer from this class is reliever Gunga Oogalagunga, who checks in at 7.37 WAR.
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:49 am

12) 29 Points: 2033

12x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 2x 40 WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPFeliciano Rafael2033204760.57NO
SPKen Walter2033204760.35NO
SPPierre Legrand2033204752.92NO
SPJaime Mercado2033204544.58NO
SPChris Kelly2033204643.39NO
SPBobby Lynch2033204538.7NO
SPDenis Pham2033204531.63NO
SPChin Kim2033204526.13NO
SPMaxime Manceau2033204325.06NO
SPGordon Graves2033204324.19NO
SPJosh Brown2033204423.07NO
SPBob Coleman2033204422.29NO
Despite placing 12th overall (and 4th among classes from the modern post 1995 era), this will likely go down as somewhat of a disappointment given the injuries that robbed Chris Kelly and Bobby Lynch of a good portion of their careers.
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:51 am

11) 29 Points: 2032

17x Total: 3x 50 WAR, 1x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 12x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPKevin Morales2032204752.5NO
SPJulio Alicea2032204651.1NO
SPHector Amaral2032204550.49NO
SPJubal Troop2032204647.57NO
SPJuan Nicto2032204532.63NO
SPCris Ri­os2032204428.99NO
SPPepe Jaramillo2032204428.28NO
SPYoshimatsu Yamaguchi2032204428.28NO
SPHeinrich Peithner2032204225.94NO
RPPeter Grady2032204325NO
RPAdam Barnard2032204624.5NO
RPLuis Ortega2032204724.41NO
SPErnie Kinney2032204623.53NO
RPFernando Marquez2032204722.6NO
SPKen Bates2032204522.31NO
SPStephen Clulow2032204421.97NO
RPAugate Balun2032204720.1NO
Not a great class at the top, but an absurdly deep one featuring 17 guys (#2 all time) that hit over 20 WAR. Bad year to bring up an ace, but a great year to find some depth starters.
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:53 am

10) 30 Points: 1993 (1x HOF)

9x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 2x 60 WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 2x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPRussell Vanness1993201474.9YES
SPDevon Hyngary1993200962.9NO
SPPhil Leftwich1993200460.67NO
SPJavy Cordero1993200855.29NO
SPRobert Walton1993201448.38NO
SPLance Dickson1993200846.2NO
SPNate Minchey1993200530NO
SPRene Arocha1993200527.56NO
SPCorey Haim1993200221.35NO
RPAndy Nebraska1993200816.11NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

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9) 30 Points: 2021

11x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 3x 40 WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 3x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJuan Jose Ornelas2021203566.56NO
SPEduardo Lopez2021203560.77NO
SPMario Gonzalez2021203850.99NO
SPRoberto Ramos2021203446.83NO
SPAtsumori Maeda2021203643.77NO
SPLuis Espinoza2021203641.28NO
SPDomingo Castillo2021203334.59NO
SPLuis Soto2021203933.16NO
SPSalvador Barron2021202928.97NO
SPGow Cho2021203124.66NO
SPJuan Rodriguez2021203523.88NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:57 am

8) 31 Points: 1994 (3x HOF)

9x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 1x 60 WAR, 2x 50 WAR, 1x 40 WAR, 3x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJay Lee19942009121.74YES
SPLarry Lasalle1994200782.21YES
SPShane Wookey1994200969.47NO
SPJake Kestle1994201454.62NO
SPJohnny Madorin1994201053.6NO
SPRick Cushing1994201048.8NO
RPBrendan Meyer1994201626.58YES
SPWilliam Van Landingham1994200526.21NO
SPDave Walter1994200420.81NO
SPSteve DiBartolomeo1994200515.74NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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7) 31 Points: 1978

8x Total: 3x 70+ WAR, 2x 50 WAR, 1x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 1x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPBraggo Franco1978199488.34NO
SPAlex Lopez1978199175.46NO
SPMark Fidrych1978199172.79NO
SPJose Ramos1978199353.06NO
SPOlen Eoff1978199252.16NO
SPVernon Meyer1978198948.49NO
SPAlonso Cruz1978198633.87NO
RPMark Everett1978199521.51NO
SPWayne Simpson1978198515.1NO
SPJohn Mahar1978198814.61NO
The top class on this list without a HOF representative.
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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6) 31 Points: 1985 (1x HOF)

9x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 2x 60 WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPHi Brown1985200073.59NO
SPEvander Kilkenny1985199770.5NO
RPHeath Rockefeller1985199663.24YES
SPHayden Finch1985199960.61NO
SPAllan Bartlett1985200152.31NO
SPNate Hollins1985199833.17NO
SPWashington Jones1985200031.38NO
SPDennis Eckersley1985199327.25NO
RPDarius Widowmaker1985199820.78NO
RPBrian Fisher1985200011.44NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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5) 32 Points: 1976 (3x HOF)

11x Total: 3x 70+ WAR, 1x 40 WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 3x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJerry Syed19761990110.65YES
SPFernando Huertas1976199399.95YES
SPJustin Alexander1976199283.03YES
SPMickey Ford1976198640.94NO
SPAndy Messersmith1976198339.77NO
SPAdam Abramowitz1976198639.72NO
SPDavid Lillis1976198736.41NO
SPLincoln Hoots1976199230.96NO
SPFrancis Szabo1976198627.88NO
SPTerrence Williams1976198427.64NO
SPLarry Trinkle1976198920.42NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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4) 35 Points: 1976 (1x HOF)

11x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 1x 60 WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 3x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 3x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
RPKen Howell19842005112.41YES
SPShamus Perfetto1984200082.74NO
SPHank Daniels1984199762.79NO
SPGuy Corngood1984199859.8NO
SPLuke Nastay1984200049.8NO
SPRobert Grove1984200245.67NO
SPAl Nipper1984199544.43NO
RPAllan Atkins1984199838.35NO
SPRicky Knutsen1984199428.33NO
RPMarty Powers1984200220.47NO
SPTenchi Masaki1984199320.41NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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3) 35 Points: 2017 (3x HOF)

13x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 1x 60 WAR, 4x 40 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPBilly Chapel, Jr.2017203497.74YES
SPGary Estes2017203573.72YES
SPManny Bautista2017203162.65YES
SPChris Lee2017203449.91NO
SPLuis Freitas2017202747.53NO
SPJorge Jiminez2017203344.23NO
SPAngel Ramirez2017203041.05NO
RPStuart Pearce2017203129.22NO
SPTony Suarez2017202428.77NO
SPCarlos Cortez2017203126.81NO
SPMichael Leroy2017202826.19NO
SPChristian Brown2017202824.81NO
SPPennington Leftwich2017202620.43NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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2) 36 Points: 1992 (1x HOF)

11x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 2x 50 WAR, 4x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPAllen Izatt19922010109.55YES
SPMichael Shellenbarger1992200672.97NO
SPRon Burgundy1992200556.45NO
SPJohn Doherty1992200355.84NO
SPBjorn Nepal1992200947.38NO
SPLee Plemel1992200347.06NO
SPBen Rivera1992200345.39NO
SPLee Dedeaux1992200844.4NO
SPDonovan Osborne1992200538.11NO
RPRichard Wasson1992201123.26NO
SPHipolito Pichardo1992200020.6NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:11 am

1) 103 Points: 1973 (9x HOF)

42x Total: 4x70+ WAR, 3x 60 WAR, 3x 50 WAR, 5x 40 WAR, 10x 30 WAR, 17x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPSteve Nebraska19731991248.9YES
SPRoy Hobbs, Jr.1973198295.06YES
SPVoo Fowler1973198389.95NO
SPJohan Schmatzhagen1973198482.97YES
SPKurt Stallwith1973198468.44YES
SPRyan Dunne1973198961.73YES
SPJulio Guillerma1973198360.35NO
SPKevin Robinson1973199053.66NO
SPMarcellus Conley1973198152.27NO
SPChuck DeLong1973198451.34NO
SPBilly Chapel1973198049.64NO
SPNarciso Jarilla1973198248.78NO
SPJim McGraw1973198444.07NO
SPJoaquin Contraveras1973197943.66NO
SPRon Vivero1973198340.84NO
SPMike Madorin1973198538.58NO
SPJunior Gomez1973198238.42NO
SPAce Holder1973198238.37NO
SPLarry Gorton1973198238.03NO
SPDenny Estrada1973198037.42NO
SPZachary Sumner1973198336.72NO
SPJamaal Jumboni1973198235.8NO
SPBrock Rutherford1973197934.32NO
SPRicky Vaughn1973198132.61NO
SPTodd Terry1973198131.41NO
SPEbby Calvin LaLoosh1973198028.46NO
SPVernon Simpson1973197827.4YES
SPPaul Millbauer1973198127.06NO
SPPablo Verlohi1973197926.01NO
SPThomas Holden1973198023.63NO
SPNick Sixx1973197823.36NO
SPRudy Ramirez1973198023.32NO
RPBryan Canniff1973198323.03NO
SPAaron Alfonso1973197922.93NO
SPDamon Rutherford1973198222.55NO
SPBernie Crotchmeyer1973198222.04NO
SPPete Bucher1973198421.43NO
SPScott Blundon1973197821.12NO
SPHenry Mitcher1973197820.52NO
SPJeff Rosenrosen1973197920.39NO
SPBurke Eschette1973197820.01NO
SPMack LeBlanc1973197720.01NO
Start a new league in a pitcher heavy era, and it is no surprise that 1973 comes out on top, even if the margin is staggering. Other HOF guys from this class include relievers Benji Madisson (14.32 WAR), Damon Lombardi (12.97) and Schmidt Meyer (9.6).
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by aaronweiner » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:50 am

If this list doesn't tell you that Dave Martin is a Hall of Famer, it should.

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:32 am

aaronweiner wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:50 am
If this list doesn't tell you that Dave Martin is a Hall of Famer, it should.
he was the modern one i saw, but it is truly mind-boggling how many guys from the original era (pre 95) have numbers that today would make them a no brainer but are not in.
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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