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Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:05 am

This is a companion to the position players version of this list that i have done here. Some notes as a refresher below.

-WAR and WAR alone is used for this. While you can argue about how accurate WAR is, it provides a consistent and uniform measure for comparison
-There is no subjectivity in this list, the rankings are purely objective based on the simple formula that I came up with (explained below)
-Each class is broken down into 6x categories, each of which covers a 10 WAR span minus the top one (20 WAR, 30 WAR, 40 WAR, 50 WAR, 60 WAR, 70+ WAR). 20 WAR was used because that is a reasonable cutoff for a solid career, and 70 was the high end because once you get to that point you are a very likely Hall of Famer and going much higher would distort the numbers too much.
-Formula: 20 WAR= 1 Point, 30 WAR= 2 points, 40 WAR=3 points, 50 WAR=4 points, 60 WAR=5 points, 70+ WAR=6 points. Each player only counts for their final total (i.e if you get 45 WAR, you only get 3 points, you don't get the points for passing 20 and 30 WAR).
-Ties were broken by the year with the most total 20+ WAR players, followed by the highest category of WAR total (NOT the individual point total within that category)
-Every player with 20+ WAR or the top 10 (whichever is more) is listed for each class
-I included every class from 1973-2047, even though the newer classes still have people piling up totals so this list will change
-All data is through the end of the 2047 season.

I will list all players over 20 WAR or the top 10 (in the case of those without 10 players over 20).

A notes on the WAR used here. For the hitters I used HTML data due to some discrepancies discovered with stats+ data. For the pitchers unfortunately they do not list WAR for each pitchers and I am not going through 4545 individual player pages to get the WAR for them, so we are going to use stats+ for this.
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Des Moines Kernels: 52-

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JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:20 am

T72) 0 Points: 2047
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPKen Sparks204720475.29NO
SPLoan Duval204720474.79NO
SPKen Arroyo204720474.49NO
RPTodd Stone204720474NO
SPChris Thompson204720473.12NO
RPDamian Taylor204720472.44NO
SPAdrian Custello204720472.43NO
RPDan Small204720472.28NO
SPRoy Minty204720472.14NO
SPEric Whitehead204720471.7NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:21 am

T72) 0 Points: 2046
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPDave Corfield2046204710.16NO
SPKyle Smallwood204620478.05NO
SPPhil Cole204620477.55NO
SPSteve Warren204620476.29NO
SPPeter Dean204620475.9NO
RPJay Hodge204620474.19NO
SPThomas Turner204620474.01NO
SPSeth Harris204620473.82NO
RPJuan Martinez204620473.69NO
RPPat Waites204620473.59NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:22 am

T72) 0 Points: 2045
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPBernie Stuart2045204712.2NO
RPDerrick Chaney2045204711.04NO
SPBarney Lindsay204520479.02NO
SPNathaniel Davis204520476.7NO
SPJuan Marroqui­n204520476.68NO
SPMatt McCartney204520476.3NO
SPWarren Moore204520476.12NO
SPScott Davis204520475.9NO
SPEdward Crutcher204520475.56NO
SPHector Fuentes204520475.39NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:06 am

T72) 0 Points: 2042
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPYasir bin Lutfi2042204717.9NO
SPErnesto Delgado2042204716.31NO
SPLance Harrison2042204715.54NO
SPNiccolo Destefani2042204715.4NO
RPAl Colbert2042204715.38NO
SPChris Moran2042204713.76NO
SPDavid Bates2042204613.69NO
SPFrank Boland2042204713.15NO
SPMaup Manshert2042204713.15NO
SPGilberto Nevarez2042204712.75NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:08 am

T70) 1 Point: 1986

1x Total: 1x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPSam Morton1986200021.77NO
SPMarcel Reyes1986199215.44NO
SPLes Straker198619948.24NO
RPDale Mohorcic198619924.55NO
RPDaniel Gassaway198619992.54NO
RPAdan Alva198619961.29NO
SPMike Brain198619941.22NO
RPRudy Sparrow198619901.05NO
SPChuck Rainey198619891.04NO
RPKeith Dawson198619870.13NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:10 am

T70) 1 Point: 2044

1x Total: 1x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPBill Constable2044204723.1NO
SPDon Jaramillo2044204716.21NO
RPCarlton Casson2044204712.78NO
SPGusby Pinkerton2044204712.5NO
SPAmos Swallows2044204711.02NO
SPMartin Ross204420477.38NO
SPRomeu Tameiro204420476.71NO
RPDean Stranaghan204420476.55NO
RPRamon Gonzalez204420475.49NO
SPEugenio Asseldonk204420475.25NO
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:14 am

68) 3 Points: 2006

1x Total: 1x 40 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPMorgan Ackerman2006202244.4NO
RPJonathan Sorensen2006202416.72NO
SPDoug Hayes2006201613.95NO
RPJavier Alomar2006202013.09NO
SPJose Baca200620169.18NO
RPJulio Feliz200620148.82NO
SPNorm Young200620186.71NO
RPAntonio Andrade200620186.56NO
RPLuiz Sachse200620145.65NO
RPJohn Edwards200620205.3NO
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:16 am

T67) 4 Points: 1987

3x Total: 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPEmile Yost1987200130.93NO
SPHoyt Perea1987199726.84NO
SPAvagadro Pompeii1987199423.24NO
RPMichael Hottinger1987199517.39NO
SPAlbert Camarena1987199616.52NO
SPManny Hernandez1987199414.19NO
SPBilly Pena1987199413.97NO
SPSamuel Smith198719989.67NO
SPAl Alexander198719898.9NO
RPNick Machiavelli198720054.59NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:18 am

T67) 4 Points: 2043

3x Total: 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPRuben Vazquez2043204730.42NO
SPFrancisco Franco2043204721.66NO
SPCarlos Flores2043204720.64NO
SPDave Lee2043204719.11NO
SPFelipe Guevara2043204712.42NO
RPLuis Manuel Rodriguez2043204711.64NO
RPAshton Brooks204320479.48NO
SPEustace Tilley204320479.1NO
RPJohn Olson204320478NO
RPMartin Roman204320477.9NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:20 am

66) 5 Points: 2009

2x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 1x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPAntonio Rodri­guez2009202651.89NO
SPSheng Yen2009202423.02NO
SPJoe Miller2009202018.96NO
SPDon Miller2009202012.92NO
RPJack Hanski, Jr.200920199.92NO
RPCharles Brannigan200920218.39NO
SPMario Mendez200920156.98NO
RPDarryl Robinson200920206.26NO
RPBen Schumaker200920195.99NO
SPVictor Paez200920114.8NO
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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65) 5 Points: 1980

3x Total: 2x 30 WAR, 1x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
RPDenny Wegman1980199535.96NO
SPLewis Bauder1980199332.47NO
RPJerry Neal1980199327.31NO
RPDavid Clyde198019918.7NO
RPGeorge Kemper198019907.45NO
SPDrew Triggs198019915.45NO
RPNathan Lafayette198019913.19NO
RPPeter Sanborn198019933.09NO
RPDennis Mcgahan198019862.71NO
RPDoug Corbett198019842.37NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Pitchers) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:24 am

64) 6 Points: 2036

4x Total: 2x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPStephen Taub2036204734.11NO
SPJose Martinez2036204731.07NO
SPLuther Summers2036204528.37NO
SPLuis Rojas2036204722.92NO
RPMitsuo Tenno2036204719.81NO
RPAdergazoz Ouakili2036204719.05NO
SPLuis Oliva2036204517.4NO
RPJorge Huerta2036204716.21NO
RPJavier Garcia2036204711.9NO
RPJose Luna2036204710.61NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:26 am

63) 6 Points: 2030

5x Total: 1x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPFreddy Delgado2030204532.98NO
RPJulio Velasco2030204526.08NO
SPMaxence Mace2030204225.21NO
SPAbe Colbert, Jr.2030204325NO
SPAndre Georges2030204121.14NO
SPMatt Mills2030203818.52NO
RPTimofei Bakitski2030204115.63NO
RPJose Souza2030204212.62NO
SPArturo Reyes2030203812.17NO
SPRogerio Vazquez2030204211.98NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:27 am

T61) 7 Points: 2024

3x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJose Chavez2024203854.53NO
SPTavio Ciccolella2024203938.44NO
SPGerardo Castillo2024203520.38NO
SPRaul Sanchez2024203713.42NO
SPMike Davis2024203412.85NO
RPRafael Mata2024203512.46NO
SPYan Heijnen2024203211.98NO
RPBonaventure Habermas2024203610.4NO
RPJuan Martinez202420399.37NO
RPChris Adkins202420408.92NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:29 am

T61) 7 Points: 2038

3x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPDanya Tchekanov2038204752.08NO
SPZak Johnson2038204731.73NO
SPJim Armstrong2038204729.18NO
RPTony Alomar2038204616.89NO
SPCharlie Iron-Knife2038204314.73NO
RPLuis Gonzales2038204713.41NO
SPDan Forsyth2038204710.58NO
RPLuis Pina2038204710.16NO
SPJose Rami­rez203820437.98NO
RPDave Walsh203820457.19NO
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:34 am

60) 7 Points: 2004

3x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJim Schmidt2004201664.37NO
SPWill Craig2004201823.76NO
SPJohnny Carter2004201322.97NO
SPJared Dorsey2004201919.69NO
SPMaynard Gnass2004201214.91NO
RPMarc Jutras2004201913.03NO
SPWill Cameron200420126.9NO
RPPat Hughes200420135.56NO
SPCarlos Morales200420144.37NO
RPShawn Curtis200420144.24NO
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:35 am

59) 7 Points: 2003

4x Total: 3x 30 WAR, 1x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJerome Powell2003201937.66NO
SPMark Wheeler2003201534.93NO
SPMaxwell Johnson2003201733.42NO
RPStanley Price2003201720.46NO
SPDave Corrigan2003201816.14NO
SPDan Winter2003201112.64NO
SPLuis Luna2003201512.15NO
SPFrancisco Lueras2003201012.03NO
RPBrandon Caldwell200320147.7NO
RPMario Diaz200320187.16NO
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:37 am

58) 7 Points: 2027

6x Total: 1x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJose Morales2027204130.01NO
SPFelipe Baez2027203926.55NO
SPLeon Flores2027203625.92NO
RPHiroyuki Rin2027204125.58NO
SPSam Romero2027203824.96NO
SPEsteban Gil2027203620.93NO
RPMiguel Macias2027203915.94NO
SPAlex Lopez2027203515.35NO
SPNicholas Sutton2027203612.47NO
SPJose Lozano2027203311.79NO
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:39 am

57) 7 Points: 2040

7x Total: 7x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
RPTiernan O'Macken2040204728.95NO
SPYorikane Miyamoto2040204727.4NO
SPArmando Feliciano2040204725.89NO
RPCornelio Lozano2040204723NO
SPCarlos Pineda2040204622.88NO
SPJorge Moreno2040204720.83NO
SPStan Palacios2040204720.07NO
RPMitchell Purssell2040204717.25NO
SPChandler Hall2040204716.23NO
SPJesus Gonzalez2040204713.81NO
Randy Weigand

Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-

League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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