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BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:38 pm

With all the talk Podcasts and posts about the draft, and the recent Viz that I did for total WAR for players league age 25 and under, I wanted to play around with the data a little more and I was able to come up with the Top "Draft Classes" for WAR for players league age 25 and under. Editors Note: I will update the Viz with this information but I wanted to talk about it more detail here. (Plus get some more PPTs) ;)

Here's how the game will go. I will randomly list all the top 10 draft classes, and randomly list the total WAR for each draft class for all players who where drafted in that year, and their total WAR for when they came into the BBA and up until their league age 25 season. What you have to do is match the Draft Class with its correct player WAR, and then of course rank them from 1-10. Got it? Sound like fun right? Come on Brett, what else you gonna do while your eating your flaming hot Cheetos. ;)

I will start you with a little help for #1. Of the top 10, this draft class is pretty obvious. I wasn't around for it, but everyone always seems to talk about it.

But for a little fun before I post it to the Viz, I want to see how you guys do....

*Updated order - see below post for details*

Top 10 Draft Classes
2038 - 485.6
2016 - 386.4
2028 - 361.1
2034 - 348.9
2031 - 346.4
2033 - 284.5
2037 - 281.8
2036 - 274.2
1995 - 227.7
2030 - 227.6
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:40 am

One assumes 2016 and 2037 are #1 and #2 in whatever order.
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:54 am

OK - I will give you a head start.... since its so obvious.

#1 Draft Class for WAR for league at 25 and under is......

#1 - 2038 Draft Class - 485.6 WAR
Not a surprise this draft class tops the list. The top 5 WAR getters of this class are: (RF - Juan Rivera - 31.22, CF - Aaron Hanley - 28.52, CF - Ronnie Hubbard - 24.29, CF - Felix Roman - 22.70, RF- Julio Barajas - 19.80)

#2 - 2016 Draft Class - 386.4 WAR
@RonCo was close with his guess at 1 or 2, but 2016 comes in at #2 in the list. The top 5 WAR getters in this class are: (CF - Leon Sandcastle - 30.92, 3B - Davis Locke - 24.59, 3B - Tony Franco - 23.91, C - Paul Scholes - 20.86, 3B - Hunter Eisenhower - 20.15


#3 - 2028 Draft Class - 361.1 WAR
Nobody mentioned this draft class at all. Its one of the 3 that are not in the 30's super decade, and it ranks #3 to boot. The top 5 WAR getters for this class are: (3B - David Noboru - 42.15, 1B - Mark Simpson - 39.91, 1B - Mons Raider - 29.27, CF - Juan Sweetworld - 27.22, C - Jim Miranda - 22.53)

#4 - 2034 Draft Class - 348.9 WAR
@bcslouck did mention one player below, however he did not crack the top 5, but one of my ex-players did (who wanted to stay for 19m a y ear), and I subsequently let go. The top 5 WAR getters in this class are: (3B -Steven Collins III - 32.51, 1B - Ross Quicker - 26.98, LF - Lorenzo Palacios - 25.53, LF - Ramon Pagan - 24.34, 1B - Jose Zuniga - 18.17)

#5 - 2031 Draft Class - 346.4 WAR
The first draft class to have a catcher ranked #1 overall for WAR and a 2B listed in the top 5. Not too shabby. The top 5 WAR getters for this class are: (C - Francisco Flores - 32.63, 1B - Manuel Marino - 22.26, 2B - Jose Rios - 20.67, 1B - Manuel Martinez - 17.40, 3B - Susumu Nakanishi - 16.16)

#6 - 2033 Draft Class - 284.5 WAR
This class is even better for for second basemen. It has 2, and the #1 over is a 2B. Take that 2031! Your top 5 WAR getters for this class are: (Angel Zalapa - 35.31, SS - Chip Puckett - 30.62, 3B - Juan Mendoza - 25.38, 1B - Rashardo Menne III - 23.78, 2B - James Monger - 21.27)

#7 - 2037 Draft Class - 281.8 WAR
@RonCo was a little off having this class be in the top 2. Turns out they are only good enough to rank #7 all time. The top 5 WAR getters in this class are: (RF - Semei Kwakou - 33.31, CF - Angel Gonzales - 21.50, LF David Simpson - 20.10, RF - Millard Younger - 15.67, C - Quniton Lara - 15.60)

#8 - 2036 Draft Class - 274.2 WAR
Another '30 era draft class that ranks in our top 10. It also has the largest variance between the #1 and #2 players. 2036 comes in at #8 all time. The top 5 WAR getters in this class are: (RF - Dennis French - 41.06, SS - Pedro Diaz - 18.11, CF - Dan Flores - 14.48, RF - Mike Campbell - 14.05, 1B - Joaquin Hebner - 13.92)

#9 - 1995 Draft Class - 227.7 WAR
@bcslouck was correct in his guess with 1995 being a bumper year for players in the draft. However, it just eeked out being #10 by .1 WAR. The top 5 WAR getters in this class are: (2B - Charles Puckett - 45.24, SS - Roman Empire - 27.87, 1B - Duane Whitley - 22.40, C - Gustavo Maldonado - 18.69, 3B - Paco Morales - 14.55)

#10 - 2030 Draft Class - 227.6 WAR
This was a close one between the start of the dominance of the "'30's" era young players and old-school '95. Seven of the top ten draft classes in this feature have all been from the 30s. But 1995 with less players/teams - still showed up. The top 5 WAR getters in this class are: (LF - John HIckman - 22.83, RF - Luis Maldonado - 22.09, 1B Adrian Salazar - 16.32, C - Aaron Stone - 16.32, RF - Barolo Ortiz - 16.19)
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:56 am

RonCo wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:40 am
One assumes 2016 and 2037 are #1 and #2 in whatever order.
That is incorrect sir....strike one :) - but since you guessed, I will post where 2037 & 2016 fall....
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by bcslouck » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:27 am

Figured 2038 was #1. Didn't it get mentioned somewhere recently that 1995 was a ridiculous one?
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:49 am

bcslouck wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:27 am
Figured 2038 was #1. Didn't it get mentioned somewhere recently that 1995 was a ridiculous one?
It was huge, but I think players developed more slowly, then...so limiting it to age 25 and younger will drop it a little.
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:06 pm

bcslouck wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:27 am
Figured 2038 was #1. Didn't it get mentioned somewhere recently that 1995 was a ridiculous one?
You are correct @bcslouck - 1995 DID make the top 10, but not has high as some may think
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Post by Ted » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:20 pm

How much is the 1995 draft class impacted by there being 8 fewer teams?
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:10 pm

Ted wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:20 pm
How much is the 1995 draft class impacted by there being 8 fewer teams?
Hmm good point - less players drafted overall. I can run and get the top 100 players war vs 2038. Still for that less of teams / players drafted to still make a top 10 list is still pretty impressive.
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by bcslouck » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:56 am

Hard for me to figure out those 2030's drafts other than 2038 since I didn't really hit on any of them. 2034 had me take Michael Best pretty late in the 1st round so that may be a Top 5'er.
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:38 am

bcslouck wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:56 am
Hard for me to figure out those 2030's drafts other than 2038 since I didn't really hit on any of them. 2034 had me take Michael Best pretty late in the 1st round so that may be a Top 5'er.

Speaking of 2034.....survey says....
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Post by CTBrewCrew » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:14 am

OK - I will close out this post / feature today....
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:26 pm

CTBrewCrew wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:10 pm
Ted wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:20 pm
How much is the 1995 draft class impacted by there being 8 fewer teams?
Hmm good point - less players drafted overall. I can run and get the top 100 players war vs 2038. Still for that less of teams / players drafted to still make a top 10 list is still pretty impressive.
@Ted - so taking the top 100 players for WAR league age 25 or under - your top ten seasons look as follows:

1 - 2038 - 198.33 WAR <== STILL #1
2 - 2028 - 181.18 WAR <== JUMPS FROM #3 TO #2
3 - 2033 - 170.53 WAR <== JUMPS FROM #6 TO #3
4 - 2034 - 143.79 WAR <== SAME
5 - 2016 - 140.06 WAR <== FALLS FROM #2 TO #5
6 - 2011 - 122.21 WAR **** NEW ****
7 - 1995 - 114.70 WAR <== JUMPS FROM #9 TO #7
8 - 2031 - 92.94 WAR <== FALLS FROM #5 TO #8
9 - 2030 - 79.47 WAR <== JUMPS FROM #10 TO #9
10 - 2037 - 74.91 WAR <== FALLS FROM #7 TO #10

2036 fell off the list and was replaced by 2011. So the names are the same (draft classes) but just shifted around some. Still it looks like 2038 and 2028 are your best drafts for players league age 25 and under for racking up WAR quickly.
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by Ted » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:35 pm

CTBrewCrew wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:26 pm
CTBrewCrew wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:10 pm
Ted wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:20 pm
How much is the 1995 draft class impacted by there being 8 fewer teams?
Hmm good point - less players drafted overall. I can run and get the top 100 players war vs 2038. Still for that less of teams / players drafted to still make a top 10 list is still pretty impressive.
@Ted - so taking the top 100 players for WAR league age 25 or under - your top ten seasons look as follows:

1 - 2038 - 198.33 WAR <== STILL #1
2 - 2028 - 181.18 WAR <== JUMPS FROM #3 TO #2
3 - 2033 - 170.53 WAR <== JUMPS FROM #6 TO #3
4 - 2034 - 143.79 WAR <== SAME
5 - 2016 - 140.06 WAR <== FALLS FROM #2 TO #5
6 - 2011 - 122.21 WAR **** NEW ****
7 - 1995 - 114.70 WAR <== JUMPS FROM #9 TO #7
8 - 2031 - 92.94 WAR <== FALLS FROM #5 TO #8
9 - 2030 - 79.47 WAR <== JUMPS FROM #10 TO #9
10 - 2037 - 74.91 WAR <== FALLS FROM #7 TO #10

2036 fell off the list and was replaced by 2011. So the names are the same (draft classes) but just shifted around some. Still it looks like 2038 and 2028 are your best drafts for players league age 25 and under for racking up WAR quickly.
Thanks for looking at this. It was fun.
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by bcslouck » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:14 am

I'm surprised there isn't more 2020's drafts. That's when it was 16-18 year olds in the draft as oppose to now, which is more traditional ages. Another interesting look at this would be first X amount of years as opposed to before 25.
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:05 pm

bcslouck wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:14 am
I'm surprised there isn't more 2020's drafts. That's when it was 16-18 year olds in the draft as oppose to now, which is more traditional ages. Another interesting look at this would be first X amount of years as opposed to before 25.
You just want to look at a the first 7 years of combine BBA WAR for all players in each draft? Not their SUM of war up to league age 25?
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Re: BBA Draft - WAR Question Game

Post by CTBrewCrew » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:21 pm

@bcslouck

Draft Year & SUM of WAR for players league age 25 and under for that draft

1-10
2038 - 485.5716
2016 - 386.4392
2028 - 361.0747
2034 - 348.9211
2031 - 346.3779
2033 - 284.5229
2037 - 281.8015
2036 - 274.1598
1995 - 227.6958
2030 - 227.5891

11-20
2011 - 226.6438
2039 - 201.215
2013 - 173.1402
2012 - 152.1769
2009 - 150.3602
2014 - 147.7941
2023 - 146.1707
2027 - 141.5126
2024 - 136.2156
2022 - 129.6124


21-28
2007 - 123.5949
2032 - 119.3289
2015 - 117.5093
2029 - 117.3916
2004 - 116.4761
2010 - 113.2481
2005 - 101.9069
2026 - 96.3247
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