Can A Reliever Win the Steve Nebraska In 2043?

[recte44]

If you don't vote for de' Medici I'd love an explanation why.

[Dington]

If you don't vote for de' Medici I'd love an explanation why.

Leach has had an amazing season but de' Medici is doing legendary things. That's gotta count for something.

[usnspecialist]

If you don't vote for de' Medici I'd love an explanation why.

Leach has had an amazing season but de' Medici is doing legendary things. That's gotta count for something.

they can both win!!!

[aaronweiner]

Uh, they're in different leagues.

But that was sort of my point.

[Dington]

If you don't vote for de' Medici I'd love an explanation why.

Leach has had an amazing season but de' Medici is doing legendary things. That's gotta count for something.

they can both win!!!

Oh, right. Duh!

[lordtoffee]

Why not? I mean in the fictional MLB league Eric Gagne had a historic season and won the Cy Young. What Huber is doing is worthy of consideration.

[bigmike13]

One could always argue that neither Leach or de'Medici pitched more than 3 innings in a contest, therefore never having to go through the lineup more than once where Kondo pitched 6, 7 and 8 innings on most occasions giving opposing batters a second and third look which is far harder for a Pitcher.

Just sayin

[Lane]

I dunno guys, I can't really see myself voting a reliever higher than 4th on the Nebrasa ballot.

Even if the reliever throws enough innings to qualify and leads the league in WAR?

Like I said in my Huber post when he had his great year, WAR and IP are only part of the story. I'm sure you understood that my comment was tongue in cheek though.

[bcslouck]

One could always argue that neither Leach or de'Medici pitched more than 3 innings in a contest, therefore never having to go through the lineup more than once where Kondo pitched 6, 7 and 8 innings on most occasions giving opposing batters a second and third look which is far harder for a Pitcher.

Just sayin

This. This right here. I'd like to know how much those RP's threw to the heart of the order where SP's like Kondo are doing it 3+ times a game.

[jiminyhopkins]

If you don't vote for de' Medici I'd love an explanation why.

LOL do I really have to spell it out for you?

[crobillard]

To be fair, I think both de'Medici and Leach should be top five in voting in their league. The question is whether either should be number one. So, I would think not voting for either of them at all is pretty questionable. I would probably take either of them over many starters myself.

[Dington]

One could always argue that neither Leach or de'Medici pitched more than 3 innings in a contest, therefore never having to go through the lineup more than once where Kondo pitched 6, 7 and 8 innings on most occasions giving opposing batters a second and third look which is far harder for a Pitcher.

Just sayin

This. This right here. I'd like to know how much those RP's threw to the heart of the order where SP's like Kondo are doing it 3+ times a game.

So do relievers get bonus points for coming in with runners on base and striking out the heart of the lineup when the game is at stake?

[aaronweiner]

One could always argue that neither Leach or de'Medici pitched more than 3 innings in a contest, therefore never having to go through the lineup more than once where Kondo pitched 6, 7 and 8 innings on most occasions giving opposing batters a second and third look which is far harder for a Pitcher.

Just sayin

This would be more meaningful if they were pitching to people rather than numerical ratings.

People make adjustments. Ratings don't.

[bcslouck]

This would be more meaningful if they were pitching to people rather than numerical ratings.

People make adjustments. Ratings don't.

Hey @RonCo. Is there a way to see if how pitchers do each time through a lineup?

[aaronweiner]

I'll even give the "real-life" counterpoint: Leach is a stopper, so he comes into close games and pitches until the games are decided. He's mostly not used unless the game is close, so he's always in something of a pressure situation.

He has 15 wins, which means he's had to come in to at least 15 games where we're tied or trailing and hold down the game.

He has 16 saves, and since he rarely starts in the ninth inning he's getting two and three inning saves.

[bcslouck]

92/815 PA's (11.3%) high leverage PA's against Leach. Kondo is 15.4%. De' Medici has almost a 1/3 of his appearances considered high leverage (30.3%). I don't know what OOTP considers high leverage though. I would assume at least the tying run on base or at the plate. Maybe on deck. Not sure if what inning it is matters. It probably should. Oh, and O'Macken is 26% high leverage PA's against.

For the record, Leach did very well in those innings (.553 OPS against). De' Medici is .640. .503 for O'Macken. Kondo is .705 but you have to take into account that he has faced those batter multiple times. OOTP is ratings and numbers, but we know it has hidden ratings. I don't know if that is one of them. But that and fatigue should factor into his number being higher, but still under the JL average against ANY leverage (.725).

Found this. No idea if OOTP mirrors this or not.

As I keep typing, I'm finding more stats. Innings 1-3 and 4-6 for Kondo are about the same PA's. .507 OPS in the first 3 innings vs .707 OPS in innings 4-6. To me, that says there is something in the game for facing a batter more than once. My biggest knock on him though is his lack of PA's after the 6th. Only 54 over the season. I like my Nebraska winners to be horses.

Again, I may vote for Leach. But to me, it isn't as cut and dry as it's being made out to be. Leach will no doubt win the Egan. The Nebraska vote should be close. Frick choices are more interesting since it seems to be 2 RP's vs a SP. Both votes over there should be close.

[aaronweiner]

Forget him winning; it would be criminal if Leach wasn't unanimously the Egan. He doesn't have a start this year so there isn't even a reason to consider anyone else.

Fatigue probably plays into it, but remember that Leach also leads the JL in appearances.

[bigmike13]

I gotta say this has been a great conversation. A lot of thought provoking points from both sides. This may be some of the toughest awards voting ever.

[crobillard]

I agree with that. The votes for this year's Nebraskas will be really telling on where the league stands on these super stopper RPs that have been famously used the past several seasons. Are they worthy of a Nebraska or not? What more would Leach have to do to earn a Nebraska or should RPs never be considered? It's really fun to think about.

[RonCo]

If you don't vote for de' Medici I'd love an explanation why.

Because O'Macken is better?