The Nebraska Case for Shawn Huber
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The Nebraska Case for Shawn Huber
The Nebraska Case for Shawn Huber
I wish I’d gotten this out a few days ago, but to be honest, I didn’t know I’d want to write this until I saw the ballot for the Nebraska.
My goal here is not to tell you who to vote for, or that you’re wrong if you don’t vote for Shawn Huber, but rather just to make you think about something you might not do, that is, vote a reliever for the Nebraska award.
For me, a reliever has to really stand out to earn my vote for this award. I generally lean towards starters when a reliever has equivalent or even slightly better rate stats. This year though, I want to make a case for voting for Huber because he does exactly what I look for…he stands out, in a big way.
Let’s start with the old standby, ERA. Now, we all know ERA is flawed but it’s definitely not useless. It’s a good indicator of what happened over the course of a season, and I think on a season-long level, what actually happened should play a significant role in awards voting.
On to the first chart! Note: The charts include all pitchers listed on the Nebraska Ballot, and I’m highlighting Huber in red.
If you didn’t say “wow” then, well I dunno. Look at it again and contemplate the gap between Huber at 2.66 and Edwin Gilliam at 3.32. For reference to a couple other contenders, Dan Cannon and Arthur Dempster are 1 and 1.5 runs behind, respectively. No one is even in the same zip code as Huber!
Let’s move FIP, to a measure that’s viewed as more a look at what “should” have happened, though there’s plenty of what “actually” happened in it. For those that don’t know, FIP is Fielding Independent Pitching, and uses strikeouts, walks, HBPs, and innings pitched, and is adjusted so that league average FIP is equal to league average ERA.
Hopefully that’s another “wow.” The other guy there that stands out is Dan Cannon. Maybe you’ve heard of him before. I really don’t have a lot to say about these. I just want you to notice where Huber’s numbers are relative to others.
Moving right along, here’s WHIP, which I believe we’re all familiar with.
You get it, right?
On to a few of my favorites. Here’s K%. I like K% because it doesn’t penalize good pitchers in the way that K/9 does. If you’re a good pitcher, you’re getting more guys out and facing less batters. Less batters faced equals less opportunities for strikeouts. If you’re a not so good pitcher, you’re getting fewer guys out, facing more batters, more opportunities for strikeouts blah blah blah. Got it? Strikeouts are a great measure of just how good a pitcher is in that one-on-one fight at the center of this game we love so much.
Chart!
dat gap tho
You see the pattern, right?
Walk percentage! BB/9 doesn’t penalize the good pitchers the same way K/9 does, but it’s a more true rate stat.
Okay, so admittedly, Huber doesn’t stand out here. Look, I never said he was perfect. The outlier there is Dave Martin with a Jimmy Greenwood-
esque 3.3%. But Huber is third, and though this is the first one I’m showing that’s not an outlier, you certainly can’t hold this against him.
Alrighty, one of my favorite things is to mash up the K% and the BB%, since it’s generally understood that those are the two outcomes that pitchers have the most control over. I wish StatsPlus did this for us, maybe I’ll shoot him an email. Anyway, whip up a little excel formula and this is what you get.
So, that’s my last chart, please move your eyes us and give it another look.
Thanks, now pull your jaw up off of the floor.
I’m pretty sure you could fly a 747 through that gap. The combination of K’s and BB’s is just a complete outlier this season. Calgary’s Jefferson Pierce is second here, with old friend Dan Cannon third, at 18.9%, Huber is 28.9%.
Okay, so let’s address the starter vs reliever issues. Yes, Huber pitched a lot fewer innings (152) and therefore accumulated a lower war (5.6). Top contenders Cannon (226 IP, 7.7 WAR), Dempster (245 IP, 6.6 WAR) and Martin (235 IP, 6.6 WAR) are definitely superior in these respects. However, Huber demolishes them in WPA (Win Probability Added) with a 3.3 mark, while the SUM of the three mentioned is 1.9. So, fewer innings, but more important innings, and performance when it really mattered.
So, if you won’t vote for a reliever because he’s a reliever, that’s fine. But I’m voting for Huber because he had an amazing season, and he stood out from the rest of the pitchers in the Johnson League. Frankly, I wouldn’t have a good basis to decide between Cannon, Dempster and Martin if Huber weren’t on the ballot.
Thanks for reading. Please take this survey about how this article changed or didn’t change your mind. By the way, you're able to go to StatsPlus and change your vote, if you so choose.
I wish I’d gotten this out a few days ago, but to be honest, I didn’t know I’d want to write this until I saw the ballot for the Nebraska.
My goal here is not to tell you who to vote for, or that you’re wrong if you don’t vote for Shawn Huber, but rather just to make you think about something you might not do, that is, vote a reliever for the Nebraska award.
For me, a reliever has to really stand out to earn my vote for this award. I generally lean towards starters when a reliever has equivalent or even slightly better rate stats. This year though, I want to make a case for voting for Huber because he does exactly what I look for…he stands out, in a big way.
Let’s start with the old standby, ERA. Now, we all know ERA is flawed but it’s definitely not useless. It’s a good indicator of what happened over the course of a season, and I think on a season-long level, what actually happened should play a significant role in awards voting.
On to the first chart! Note: The charts include all pitchers listed on the Nebraska Ballot, and I’m highlighting Huber in red.
If you didn’t say “wow” then, well I dunno. Look at it again and contemplate the gap between Huber at 2.66 and Edwin Gilliam at 3.32. For reference to a couple other contenders, Dan Cannon and Arthur Dempster are 1 and 1.5 runs behind, respectively. No one is even in the same zip code as Huber!
Let’s move FIP, to a measure that’s viewed as more a look at what “should” have happened, though there’s plenty of what “actually” happened in it. For those that don’t know, FIP is Fielding Independent Pitching, and uses strikeouts, walks, HBPs, and innings pitched, and is adjusted so that league average FIP is equal to league average ERA.
Hopefully that’s another “wow.” The other guy there that stands out is Dan Cannon. Maybe you’ve heard of him before. I really don’t have a lot to say about these. I just want you to notice where Huber’s numbers are relative to others.
Moving right along, here’s WHIP, which I believe we’re all familiar with.
You get it, right?
On to a few of my favorites. Here’s K%. I like K% because it doesn’t penalize good pitchers in the way that K/9 does. If you’re a good pitcher, you’re getting more guys out and facing less batters. Less batters faced equals less opportunities for strikeouts. If you’re a not so good pitcher, you’re getting fewer guys out, facing more batters, more opportunities for strikeouts blah blah blah. Got it? Strikeouts are a great measure of just how good a pitcher is in that one-on-one fight at the center of this game we love so much.
Chart!
dat gap tho
You see the pattern, right?
Walk percentage! BB/9 doesn’t penalize the good pitchers the same way K/9 does, but it’s a more true rate stat.
Okay, so admittedly, Huber doesn’t stand out here. Look, I never said he was perfect. The outlier there is Dave Martin with a Jimmy Greenwood-
esque 3.3%. But Huber is third, and though this is the first one I’m showing that’s not an outlier, you certainly can’t hold this against him.
Alrighty, one of my favorite things is to mash up the K% and the BB%, since it’s generally understood that those are the two outcomes that pitchers have the most control over. I wish StatsPlus did this for us, maybe I’ll shoot him an email. Anyway, whip up a little excel formula and this is what you get.
So, that’s my last chart, please move your eyes us and give it another look.
Thanks, now pull your jaw up off of the floor.
I’m pretty sure you could fly a 747 through that gap. The combination of K’s and BB’s is just a complete outlier this season. Calgary’s Jefferson Pierce is second here, with old friend Dan Cannon third, at 18.9%, Huber is 28.9%.
Okay, so let’s address the starter vs reliever issues. Yes, Huber pitched a lot fewer innings (152) and therefore accumulated a lower war (5.6). Top contenders Cannon (226 IP, 7.7 WAR), Dempster (245 IP, 6.6 WAR) and Martin (235 IP, 6.6 WAR) are definitely superior in these respects. However, Huber demolishes them in WPA (Win Probability Added) with a 3.3 mark, while the SUM of the three mentioned is 1.9. So, fewer innings, but more important innings, and performance when it really mattered.
So, if you won’t vote for a reliever because he’s a reliever, that’s fine. But I’m voting for Huber because he had an amazing season, and he stood out from the rest of the pitchers in the Johnson League. Frankly, I wouldn’t have a good basis to decide between Cannon, Dempster and Martin if Huber weren’t on the ballot.
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For the second year in a row he got my #1 vote. And he should get all of yours, too.
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Besides, you wouldn't want Dan Cannon to win this award AGAIN just because he did something stupid like lead the JL in WAR for the third straight season.
That would be nuts.
That would be nuts.
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I mean, WAR is great, but there's other stats to consider.aaronweiner wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:26 pmBesides, you wouldn't want Dan Cannon to win this award AGAIN just because he did something stupid like lead the JL in WAR for the third straight season.
That would be nuts.
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Great article Stephen, I love reading this sort of stuff.
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Thanks Nige. I enjoy writing this kind of stuff...wish I had more time these days.
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I’ve got the time but have never had the grounding in baseball to produce the kind of fantastic analysis we regularly produce on here
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Behind all three of your guys, I presume?
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Yup. Better than the guy ahead of him in WAR.
It's impressive he's had all the appearances, but all my guys have him in innings and WAR.
It's impressive he's had all the appearances, but all my guys have him in innings and WAR.
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I put him 2nd behind cannon. Helluva season
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I voted him 5th. If you can get him to 190-200 IP, then I'd be more inclined. But I also short to having a little OOTP bias here. Huber gets a huge advantage by not starting games.
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Make Huber throw those 150 innings starting from the first inning on, and he'd be nowhere in the conversation.
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He is hugely valuable, but as we've noted elsewhere, it's possible he's not even the most valuable reliever in the Johnson, better yet a Nebraska guy.
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What’s the difference?
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If he were a starting pitcher his stuff would be lower and he would have faced the top of the order more often.
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Given his stamina, he would never make it out of the 4th or (occasionally) 5th inning... thereby wearing the bullpen.
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Again, Huber is fantastic, but he's in the right argument with his situation with Ottobani and the Egan. I mean, the more I look at it, the more I wish I'd voted Ottobani as the Egan.
Yes, Huber threw more innings, but as I noted elsewhere Ottobani's WAR/IP was higher (and WAR is a counting stat...so Huber's WAR is higher merely _because_ he threw more innings). And then we see that Ottobani's leverage index was a massive 1.94 relative to Hubers' 1.34, so Ottobani's 46 saves in 48 opportunities actually has some information value.
Huber was as valuable as he was also, because Vegas's starters were considerably worse than Calgary's. Brett very wisely leveraged Huber in ways that made up for a weak rotation, though. So, yes, that's really, really valuable. But does that mean he's a better reliever than Ottobani? I'm growing to think not, but rational minds can disagree. I think what's going on is that the Peter Grady effect is rolling over the GMs in the league, and we're trying to grapple with overall value of an elite high-inning reliever. I mean, is it possible that Huber could win the Nebraska and Ottobani the Egan? I think that's a possible argument, though an odd one. But, yeah, right now if I had the option to have Huber's season or the season of one of several SP in the Johnson, I'd take the SP...and if I had my own rotation, I'd pick Ottobani over Huber. In both situations, though, Huber is still massively valuable.
Blah, blah, blah.
Yes, Huber threw more innings, but as I noted elsewhere Ottobani's WAR/IP was higher (and WAR is a counting stat...so Huber's WAR is higher merely _because_ he threw more innings). And then we see that Ottobani's leverage index was a massive 1.94 relative to Hubers' 1.34, so Ottobani's 46 saves in 48 opportunities actually has some information value.
Huber was as valuable as he was also, because Vegas's starters were considerably worse than Calgary's. Brett very wisely leveraged Huber in ways that made up for a weak rotation, though. So, yes, that's really, really valuable. But does that mean he's a better reliever than Ottobani? I'm growing to think not, but rational minds can disagree. I think what's going on is that the Peter Grady effect is rolling over the GMs in the league, and we're trying to grapple with overall value of an elite high-inning reliever. I mean, is it possible that Huber could win the Nebraska and Ottobani the Egan? I think that's a possible argument, though an odd one. But, yeah, right now if I had the option to have Huber's season or the season of one of several SP in the Johnson, I'd take the SP...and if I had my own rotation, I'd pick Ottobani over Huber. In both situations, though, Huber is still massively valuable.
Blah, blah, blah.
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