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Post by RonCo » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:19 pm

LEAGUE RATINGS VARY FROM BBN OUTSIDER VIEW

It’s that time of the year again. The amateur draft is done, and most of the players are signed or likely not going to. So let’s take a look at systems around the league.


BNN RANKINGS:

First, of course, we look at the BNN system rankings that are always available, but also somewhat…er…shall we say…suspect in certain circles. Still, they are something, right? And something’s better than nothing. A check here shows Louisville and Des Moines standing proud at the top, Calgary, Charm City, and Valencia close behind.

The BNN rankings are suspect for several reasons, not the least of which is because they focus exclusively on what that system considers the top 100 prospects, and because that system’s methodology for determining those top 100 are hidden and often things to be boggled at. Still, it’s hard to complain about ranking systems that feature James Browning and Don Smith as #1 and #2, and that Haney kid in Valencia sure looks sweet, Lee—or, as they would say in Louisville, “shame if something happened to him.”

On the bottom end, you’ve got Long Beach as the worst system in baseball, with Jacksonville only a #76 prospect away.


BBA RANKINGS:

Of course, the purpose of the BBA ranking system is to explore much deeper. This system, a method generated while scanning FanGraphs prospect lists, accounts for system depth by providing a linear weight to players of each overall rating on the 80/20 scale.

Yes, it’s rudimentary in that it doesn’t weight players by age or level—but then again, as far as we can tell, neither does OOTP’s BNN stuff. Or, if it does, those weights seem weird at times. Who can tell? Bottom line, though, is that this approach will give us a different cut on farm system value, and on the whole I think tends to pass the eye test much better (See Long Beach and Jacksonville for just a few of the more obvious examples).

ALGORITHM CHANGE: Note, given the adjustments made to the overall rankings in the last release of OOTP (which seemed to move plyers up the relative scale we use), this system has dropped scores for players rated 40 and 45 overall. This will affect the results some, but I think it’s negligible.

So, let’s get to looking at things, all right?

Here’s the raw data:

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READING THE CHART:

As with before, the data is sorted by division and weighted Total System Score (wTot). Each team’s total number of prospects are displayed per rating, then the wTot and the system’s overall ranking. The next two columns (wTop, wTopRk) are the same calculations, but count only prospects rated 60 and higher.

The blue headers are the team’s OOTP/BNN rank and points.

After that are each team’s overall rankings across time—so you can track how a team has moved over the past two years.


OVERALL ASSESSMENT:

The BBA/Fangraphs system rates the top five systems as:

1. Yellow Springs
2. New Orleans
3. Louisville
4. Calgary
5. Brooklyn

Looking at the breakout, New Orleans is clearly strongest at the top, with eight players rated 75 or 80. Of interest is that Phoenix … as Sean’s latest trade block says…has seven such players, but their overall rating falls a few slots to #9 because they are relatively empty beyond these. Indeed, New Orleans, with no prospects in the 60 and 65 categories, actually slips a notch when we count only players in the 60+ category.

Regardless, Yellow Springs, Calgary, and New Orleans have traditionally scored well in this metric, and they continue doing so. Brooklyn has also been strong here in the past. The newcomer is Louisville, who, under Stephen Shaw’s direction his one of the biggest movers on the board when it comes to strengthening their kiddie korps. The Sluggers went from #21 last September to #3 this year.
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As an aside, I note that Charm City, who is rated 3rd by OOTP, finishes in 6th here. Jacksonville, rated 29th by OOTP is 7th overall by these BBA/FanGraphs tables. Brooklyn is a case similar to Jacksonville, ranking 5th here based on depth, but 22nd at OOTP/BNN. San Fernando, ranked 13th by BNN, but 28th by this method, is the biggest mis-match in the other direction. The Bears have only four players rated 60 or higher.

BIG MOVERS:

Teams that have improved their systems the most since the past review are:

Louisville: Was 21, now 3
Jacksonville: Was 19, now 7
Des Moines: Was 22, now 12
Hawaii: Was 17, now 11
Valencia: Was 13, now 8


As noted before, Louisville jumped an amazing 18 positions in these ranks. This is mostly the result of a flurry of trades in the off-season as the club repositioned themselves for the future, and a solid draft.

Jacksonville is of note here because of the way their system looks so woeful in OOTP’s BNN structure. The system is well positioned for where they are as a franchise, too. As always, it’s fun to watch Tyler quietly go about doing his work.

Des Moines, buoyed by a trade or two and another good draft, has risen from the bottom third to nearly a top third club. It’s been a very long haul to get this far, but things are starting to look of for fans in Iowa. Their ten-position jump is noteworthy.

Hawaii and Valencia also show as movers this year, Hawaii being a touch more top heavy.


FALLERS:

Of course, this is a zero sum game. For some teams to “win” others have to lose. Looking at teams whose systems are on the downslide gives us:

1) Rockville (was 5, now 15)
2) Nashville (was 14, now 23)
3) Atlantic City (was 16, now 23)
4) Mexico City (was 18, now 25)
5) California (was 11, now 17)
6) Huntsville (was 7, now 13)
7) San Antonio (was 10, now 16)

Probably the most surprising on this list is Nashville, who has generally been drafting in advantageous slots. Rockville’s slide has been fairly precipitous, which doesn’t bode well—especially since they also slide another couple notches when only 60+ players are counted. Mexico City and California have been drafting in less advantageous positions for awhile, and maybe this is showing?

In addition, I’d guess bad development hits have been an issue for at least some of these teams—though I haven’t done the searching to see.


A GRAPHICAL LOOK AT THE RANKINGS

Just for fun, again, I charted each teams scores (wTot, wTop) to get a visual feel for where each system really stands.

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Post by ae37jr » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:36 pm

You know this is great and much, much better then the game rankings. But as I'm thinking about it there is still a lot more to infer.

Like I picked a 65 rated starting pitcher 8th overall. As far as this ranking goes I would have been better off picking an 80 RP with 1 stamina. Who would add far less value in actuality.

Also splitsy players are penalized and no hit all glove players are over rated. So I guess what I'm saying is not all ratings are equal value.

Not complaining, I look forward to this list every year. Just consoling myself for slipping when I feel I have gotten better.
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Post by RonCo » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:51 pm

Yeah...there are lots of problems with about any rating system, really...specifically including human scouting and rankings. :)

And that's not even getting to the idea that team that needs pitching is probably better off picking that 65-rated starting pitcher than it is grabbing a 75-rated corner outfielder. I tend to look at this approach kind of like WAR. Tell me one guy did 5.5 WAR and another did 6.0, and I'll say those guys are really the same player. But tell me one guy did 5.4 WAR and another did 2.0 WAR and I'll tell you they are different.

So in general it's probably safe to maybe use bands of positions to get a better feel. I mean, anyone in the top 5 or six of this approach is likely to be "the best." But it's quite unlikely that anyone in the top 5 or 6 here are in the bottom third of systems.

Unlike OOTP's ranks, in which I can almost always pick out systems (like Jacksonville and Long Beach) who are in the absolute wrong slot.
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Post by sjshaw » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:56 pm

Inject this into my veins.

Thanks, Ron!
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Post by 7teen » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:16 pm

Good stuff, Ron.

I feel Madison's farm has gotten a little better the last year, but it's not a top tier one. Maybe I just feel better about it because there are actually a few pitching prospects in it now and not just ALL HITTERS! Hopefully some of those pitchers pan out for Will down the road.
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Post by felipe » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:34 pm

Lol

I’m actually very happy with the state of Wichita’s farm system

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Post by StormZ_23 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:27 pm

Hoping I can crack top 5 at some point. Though with Jeffrey Smith losing his prospect status soon, it may not happen.
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Post by GoldenOne » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:54 am

RonCo wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:19 pm
FALLERS:

Of course, this is a zero sum game. For some teams to “win” others have to lose. Looking at teams whose systems are on the downslide gives us:

1) Rockville (was 5, now 15)
2) Nashville (was 14, now 23)
3) Atlantic City (was 16, now 23)
4) Mexico City (was 18, now 25)
5) California (was 11, now 17)
6) Huntsville (was 7, now 13)
7) San Antonio (was 10, now 16)

Probably the most surprising on this list is Nashville, who has generally been drafting in advantageous slots. Rockville’s slide has been fairly precipitous, which doesn’t bode well—especially since they also slide another couple notches when only 60+ players are counted. Mexico City and California have been drafting in less advantageous positions for awhile, and maybe this is showing?
It tends to really hurt when your first rounder, I believe 8th or 9th overall, was rated an 80 when drafted (8/9/7/6/8) but then just decides to lumpity-lump just six months later! (I think he's down in the 60s now - cant see him here at work.) CF Declan Hounsell.
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Post by usnspecialist » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:10 am

GoldenOne wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:54 am
RonCo wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:19 pm
FALLERS:

Of course, this is a zero sum game. For some teams to “win” others have to lose. Looking at teams whose systems are on the downslide gives us:

1) Rockville (was 5, now 15)
2) Nashville (was 14, now 23)
3) Atlantic City (was 16, now 23)
4) Mexico City (was 18, now 25)
5) California (was 11, now 17)
6) Huntsville (was 7, now 13)
7) San Antonio (was 10, now 16)

Probably the most surprising on this list is Nashville, who has generally been drafting in advantageous slots. Rockville’s slide has been fairly precipitous, which doesn’t bode well—especially since they also slide another couple notches when only 60+ players are counted. Mexico City and California have been drafting in less advantageous positions for awhile, and maybe this is showing?
It tends to really hurt when your first rounder, I believe 8th or 9th overall, was rated an 80 when drafted (8/9/7/6/8) but then just decides to lumpity-lump just six months later! (I think he's down in the 60s now - cant see him here at work.) CF Declan Hounsell.
You give him too much credit, he is actually a 6/7/6/5/7 55 POT now
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Post by GoldenOne » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:44 am

usnspecialist wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:10 am
It tends to really hurt when your first rounder, I believe 8th or 9th overall, was rated an 80 when drafted (8/9/7/6/8) but then just decides to lumpity-lump just six months later! (I think he's down in the 60s now - cant see him here at work.) CF Declan Hounsell.
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You give him too much credit, he is actually a 6/7/6/5/7 55 POT now
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Great! Even worse than the last time I looked at him a few sims ago. Still useful but not a first-rounder!
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Post by aaronweiner » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:51 pm

I'd be higher, but I called up Julio Barajas because I figured he might be a little better than Jin-Song Xuan.

Also I haven't signed my 3rd rounder yet (or my first rounder, a likely 80 reliever, but I'm debating).

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Post by GoldenOne » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:57 pm

GoldenOne wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:44 am
usnspecialist wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:10 am
It tends to really hurt when your first rounder, I believe 8th or 9th overall, was rated an 80 when drafted (8/9/7/6/8) but then just decides to lumpity-lump just six months later! (I think he's down in the 60s now - cant see him here at work.) CF Declan Hounsell.
You give him too much credit, he is actually a 6/7/6/5/7 55 POT now
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Great! Even worse than the last time I looked at him a few sims ago. Still useful but not a first-rounder!
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How bad is that.....forgot I traded him to Vegas too.
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Post by bcslouck » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:03 pm

He could still be a useful player. If he becomes a solid CF, that isn't bad at #8/9. Just not the stud you thought.
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Post by udlb58 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:20 pm

There are 99 prospects who have 70+ potential. I'm sure that won't be an issue anytime soon....
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Post by 7teen » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:16 pm

udlb58 wrote:
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There are 99 prospects who have 70+ potential. I'm sure that won't be an issue anytime soon....
One of those is my guy in Belchior Barracas. I don't consider him a 75 rated prospect personally. I'd assume there are several out there in this category also.
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Post by aaronweiner » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:58 pm

udlb58 wrote:
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There are 99 prospects who have 70+ potential. I'm sure that won't be an issue anytime soon....
Spread out over 30 teams with normal aging? Maybe not.

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Post by udlb58 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:04 pm

aaronweiner wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:58 pm
udlb58 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:20 pm
There are 99 prospects who have 70+ potential. I'm sure that won't be an issue anytime soon....
Spread out over 30 teams with normal aging? Maybe not.
Maybe if a good bit of them are DH/RP types, which I think they may be (I know my two 75+ guys are relievers and most of Phoenix's 75+ guys are 1B/LF/DH/RP)
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Post by bcslouck » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:45 am

I'm not sure you did it after everyone signed. Based on the rankings above and what I have, I don't think you have my 1st rounder Shiplack on here, who is a 75. Andrade and Wilson (RP) are the 80's and Drew should be the 70. And I'm pretty sure he's stayed a 75 throughout the process.
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Post by handaspencer » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:01 am

bcslouck wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:45 am
I'm not sure you did it after everyone signed. Based on the rankings above and what I have, I don't think you have my 1st rounder Shiplack on here, who is a 75. Andrade and Wilson (RP) are the 80's and Drew should be the 70. And I'm pretty sure he's stayed a 75 throughout the process.
Same thing here, one of my 1st rounders Jaramillo just signed and he is a 70. Should improve my rankings some.

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Post by ae37jr » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:26 pm

Does anyone else notice that the top 100 prospect list is different from the top 200(in game- front office/player development)? I wonder why that is and which one is correct.

In the top 200 I have 5 of the top 77 and 12 overall. Yet I only have 2 listed in the 100 list. Weird
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