Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

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Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by RonCo » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:41 pm

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As with most new features, news that v20 of OOTP was going to have exit velocity included on the game logs brought about mixed reaction. Where would they come from? What would they mean? How accurate would they be.

Given that I’ve got my handy-dandy scripts for parsing game log files, my reaction was a little different—meaning my first thought was “how can I grab the data, and what can I do with it?” The answer to the first question took a little elbow grease but wasn’t too hard. The answer to the second question is more complex.

First, let me take a little digression and point you to the MLB’s statscast site, where you can now see exactly how hard the most hard-hit baseballs in the majors are. If you go there, you’ll see Giancarlo Stanton crushed a baseball to the tune of 120.6 MPH back in March, almost two MPH harder than the next guy—Vlad Guerrero, Jr at 118.9 (and, Stanton himself). Of interest might be that the three most hard-hit baseballs of the year were not homers, but instead have been singles. The sixth most hard-hit ball was a force-out off the bat of Aaron Judge, the only out made in the top twenty hardest-hit balls.

With that, let me step into the BBA, and then take a dalliance into the UMEBA.

Our seasons are early on, of course—only two weeks of games. But I’ve gathers up some information, and it’s interesting enough.

For example, on April 2nd, Yellow Springs’ Rob Thomas stepped up to the plate and drove a double into deepest left-center at Utopia Field, the ball left his bat at 114.4 MPH, tying him with ten other players for the 8th-hardest hit ball of the year. Three guys have hit the ball 115 MPH on the nose—Rockville’s Lorenzo Palacios, Charm City’s Joaquin Hebner, and Calgary’s Ettienne R. Lafitte (with both Hebner and Lafitte’s coming off YS9 pitcher Luis Colon, something that would not seem to bode well for him). Next is Valencia’s Wilton Rivera and Mexico City’s Gipper Kengos, both of whom doubled by blasting line drives that left the bat at 115.6 MPH.

THIS BRINGS US TO THE TWO HARDEST HIT BALLS of the first two weeks of the season at 116.3 MPH. They come in the form of Vancouver’s Domenic Wyatt, who put a fly ball off the wall Edmonton’s massive park, and … wait for it … San Antonio’s Pedro Suarez, who hit a first-pitch grounder past the shortstop on April 7th that went for a base hit.

So, yeah, interesting collection of players, am I right? I’m not sure I see Suarez in that collection, nor Kengos for that matter, though both are strapping young men. But otherwise I suppose I can see it, and to be clear, the season is young—and to be even clear, there’s a TON more work to be done with EV if we want to pretend to “reverse engineer” anything here. Even then, I’m not sure the ultimate value…but the list was fun, and that’s what we’re here for, right?

For completeness sake, I should also note that Seattle’s Sean McGuire and Calgary’s Werner McConnell, JR’s 113.1 MPH fly outs are the hardest hit balls to be turned into outs so far this very young season.


EXIT VELO IN THE MIDDLE EAST

Perhaps of some interest is that exit velocity in the UMEBA is a touch down relative to the BBA.

Beruit’s Jose Gonzalez blasts a line drive off Bucharest’s Kyle Elston at 113.8 MPH to lead the league so far. Four guys have registered 113.1 MPH balls.


EXIT VELO BY RESULT

Something else that’s interesting—again presented on minimal data—but here are the average exit velocity of various results:
ResultBBAUMEBA
Single97.397.6
Double102.5101.3
Triple104.1101.1
Home Run100.0100.2
Very similar overall. How about another cut? This time:

EXIT VELO BY BATTED BALL TYPE
ResultBBAUMEBA
Flyball92.391.8
Groundball90.191.0
Line Drive96.396.8
Popup71.672.0
Again, not a ton of variance. And, really nothing here can yet tell us from whence Exit Velocity comes from.

Reminders go here again. Part of the issue is that this is two weeks of data, and mostly I’m just playing around for fun now. As usual, when we get to the end of a month, I’ll try to remember to upload all the files, and you can play with them yourself. Otherwise, I also like to post this kind of stuff so anyone can ask questions or suggest other things to look at that might provide us some information that’s useful.

Until then, though, I figure this is mostly about having a fun little toy to play with.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by RonCo » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:57 pm

Interesting table and chart:
EV 1B 2B 3B Fly Out Ground Out HR TOTAL AVG
35-40 1 1 0.000
40-45 1 6 7 0.143
45-50 1 10 11 0.091
50-55 4 23 27 0.148
55-60 1 33 1 35 0.029
60-65 17 89 72 178 0.096
65-70 57 130 169 356 0.160
70-75 30 165 130 325 0.092
75-80 17 211 253 481 0.035
80-85 33 1 343 713 1090 0.031
85-90 145 24 2 615 772 29 1587 0.126
90-95 243 64 8 627 312 82 1336 0.297
95-100 590 106 7 352 226 127 1408 0.589
100-105 468 170 23 218 441 120 1440 0.542
105-110 337 204 27 119 330 93 1110 0.595
110-115 81 72 16 29 33 34 265 0.766
115-120 1 5 1 7 1.000
TOTAL 2025 647 83 2971 3452 486 9664 0.335
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by jleddy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:03 pm

Very cool! As you mentioned on our GM Corner, getting to the next level of ratings (ie Power would be a component of Bat Speed, Strength, etc.) would make exit velo readings more interesting and able to analyze.

I'd be interested in seeing players' average exit velo at the end of the year to see if certain batters, whether expected or not, produce extreme high and low exit velos, otherwise it could all be arbitrary values assigned by the software engine.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by sjshaw » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:45 pm

115 mph grounders. Jesus.

Fastest one in MLB this year is 95
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by RonCo » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:47 pm

They actually happen IRL.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by sjshaw » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:49 pm

Not in the last 5 MLB seasons according to Statcast
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by RonCo » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:50 pm

One assumes Aaron Judge's force out at 118 mph was a ground out.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by sjshaw » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:51 pm

sjshaw wrote:
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Not in the last 5 MLB seasons according to Statcast
Hmmm... I was looking at baseball savant's leaderboards of Statcast data. Statcast itself seems different.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by sjshaw » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:52 pm

RonCo wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:50 pm
One assumes Aaron Judge's force out at 118 mph was a ground out.
Yep, I was looking at the wrong data.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by RonCo » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:54 pm

Vlad jr has a 115 mph batted ball with a -11 degree launch angle. Maybe I'm misreading things.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by sjshaw » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:56 pm

No, you're right and I'm wrong.

I played a lot of baseball. The thought of a 115 mph grounder (no matter its velocity when it gets to me) coming at me when I'm playing double play depth at SS makes me shudder.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by jleddy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:57 pm

sjshaw wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:49 pm
Not in the last 5 MLB seasons according to Statcast
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by Spiccoli » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:48 am

sjshaw wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:56 pm
No, you're right and I'm wrong.

I played a lot of baseball. The thought of a 115 mph grounder (no matter its velocity when it gets to me) coming at me when I'm playing double play depth at SS makes me shudder.
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There’s certain softballs that are extremely hard, like juiced baseball hard and I’ve had a few balls smashed at me that took my breath away. I was also back up catcher on Varsity and had one guy who threw almost 90.... lol. I’m sure that some balls hit at third were harder.

I also broke a pitchers nose hitting a ball up the middle. When I had just met my future wife, i left some laces on her thigh messing around hitting BP... yikes. We had twins not long after. We joke that that ball shook some extra eggs loose.

I know people like to think baseball/softball is a laid back sport compared to the other big three, but there’s times when that ball can be extremely dangerous.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by Spiccoli » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:53 am

Anyway, exit velocity is going to be a nice addition for analysing players.

Especially for determining if a player is really slumping or just having some bad luck.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by RonCo » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:28 pm

For what it's worth, here's a quick update on average exit velocities of our players through games of August 3:
RANKBatterNAVG EV
1Joaquín Camacho8694.74534884
2Carl von Meister5994.71694915
3Sean Smith6994.47826087
4Scott Martin6294.11129032
5David Guerra7693.84210526
6Sloan Daniel19293.77291667
7Jay Garrick9193.46153846
8Joey Newhouse31993.37241379
9Jorge Reyes10593.31142857
10Víctor Bedolla14093.31
11Jesús López5993.29491525
12Sadaharu Oh III17693.17443182
13Shag Hopkins22893.13421053
14Joaquin Hebner36393.12534435
15Mike England24393.12098765
16Raúl Castrejón5692.98035714
17José Serrano12192.9785124
18Tommy Cochran6192.96065574
19Francisco Salazar28292.90602837
20Gerbrand de Best19092.90421053
21Rupert Grant13392.9
22Tai hoi Wie28192.86690391
23Héctor Gómez12592.8568
24Yoriyuki Kobayashi9192.83186813
25Félix Membiela9292.82717391
26Semei Kwakou37392.80482574
27Miguel Fernández8192.8037037
28Alberto Benítez9992.77676768
29Francisco Medina28492.77323944
30Wilton Rivera25592.76705882
31Felipe Mercado5892.76551724
32William Moreland22092.73045455
33Jorge Rodríguez25292.72738095
34Lorenzo Palácios33792.70118694
35Ricardo Vargo14692.69589041
36Raúl Alilea9692.68541667
37George Robertson30492.67302632
38Domenic Wyatt16792.66886228
39Jérôme Delage32392.66842105
40Curt Love29692.65540541
41Leonard Jones18392.63497268
42Ares Papadias19992.60653266
43Raúl Gasco7992.58860759
44Gabriel Flores18692.58548387
45Hsin Mei28992.58546713
46Ricardo Arellano9092.56777778
47Tu-fu Yong31992.5645768
48Carlos García15492.56168831
49Alex Ramírez34692.55635838
50Gerardo Guzmán36792.5493188
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by RonCo » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:31 pm

I can't say this makes me particularly excited about what EV is right now in OOTP.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by jiminyhopkins » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:28 pm

Wow, only one Talon on the list (Moreland at 32) but we lead the JL in homers.

All about dat launch angle.
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by jleddy » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:25 pm

RonCo wrote:
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I can't say this makes me particularly excited about what EV is right now in OOTP.
Meh...it's just one part of the equation and we're missing the rest. I wouldn't be all that excited looking at AEV for one season, BBA or MLB. In a vacuum, AEV isn't at all a predictive statistic and it's hardly a descriptive one as well. Plenty of guys can hit the ball hard but if they are hit on the ground, pulled into a shift, or if their contact rates are low, then it's meaningless. Looking at AEV over a course of three or more seasons, you can start to see trends but since we're in Year One of the Great Exit Velo Experiment, there's not much to write home about. Of course, the pièce de résistance is launch angle to go with exit velo so we can then figure out Barrel% (and to a lesser degree, Sweet Spot%).

I look forward to being able to analyze that data in future seasons. Thanks for sharing, Ron!
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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by HoosierVic » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:48 pm

Is exit velocity anything more than just cosmetic in OOTP at this point? Is it derived from player ratings somehow, or just assigned randomly as a bit of bling for the game recaps?

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Re: Exit Velocity – What does it look like?

Post by RonCo » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:20 pm

That's part of what I'm trying to determine. At present, if it's derived/randomized from ratings I'm not seeing those ties are particularly strong.
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