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Fathers and Sons: A BBA Retrospective
Baseball is a game of fathers and sons, whether it's playing catch outside growing up or learning how to keep score or the words to 'Take Me Out To The Ballgame.' It's because of this nostalgia and generational passing down of this great game that you can see father and son ballplayers pouring onto the pages of the Brewster Baseball Association's history books, from its inception in 1973 to the most current season, 2038. Given this timeline, four generations of players have been able to experience and take part in the league. Fans have been able to witness grandsons of legends make their impact on the BBA, like Joe and Jared Gillstrom, Long Chamberlain and Long III, and Mark and Steven Bobovnik. With Father's Day Weekend upon us, let's take a trip down memory lane of some of the more remarkable father/son duos in league history, as well as some other special relationships:
TOP BBA FATHER-SON DUOS (BY WINS ABOVE REPLACEMENT)
1. Charles and Chip Puckett - 184.3 WAR
When you're the all-time record holder in Wins Above Replacement, as well as games, runs and walks, you'll likely to be atop any list using WAR as a metric. Luckily for the man they called "Cricket," his son Chip has cracked his way into the big leagues, thus qualifying the duo for top father-son pairing. The elder Puckett, a member of the mythical BBA Mount Rushmore, is obviously providing the majority of the production, but Chip has already amassed nearly 20 WAR at just the age of 22. A member of two Landis Championships, Chip's career is off to a great start and as he continues to produce, this tandem will only see their margin over the number two spot grow.
Charles Puckett* - 164.8 WAR
↳Chip Puckett - 19.5 WAR
2. Kipper and Bopper Kengos - 147.5 WAR
Kipper, the patriarch of the First Family of the BBA, makes his first of two appearances on this list thanks two his incredibly talented twin sons. Bopper, the BBA's home run and RBI king, has his father to thank for the numerous awards -- 16 All-Star appearances! -- he earned during his illustrious career.
Kipper Kengos - 21.2 WAR
↳Bopper Kengos* - 126.3 WAR
3. Billy Chapel and Billy Chapel Jr. - 142.9 WAR
Had the elder Chapel's career in the BBA start earlier than his age-30 season, this father-son pitching duo just might be knocking on the doorstep of the Puckett men. Chapel Sr. had a fine, albeit short BBA career but nothing like that of Hall of Famer "Chip". Known for his ability to go deep into games and rack up strikeouts, Billy Jr. won three Nebraska Awards and went to the All-Star Game nine times.
Billy Chapel - 45.8 WAR
↳Billy Chapel Jr.* - 97.1 WAR
4. Daniel Labrie and Daniel Labrie Jr. - 133.4 WAR
The elder Labrie spent his entire 21-year career with the Baltimore Monarchs (now the Brooklyn Robins), tallying base hits and collecting walks at a record pace, leading to a BBA all-time career record .440 on-base percentage. His son, referred to as "Danny Boy" during his playing days, could wield the bat almost as well as his old man, but also excelled defensively.
Daniel Labrie* - 85.8 WAR
↳Daniel Labrie Jr. - 47.6 WAR
5. Riley and Elroy Hinson - 130.8 WAR
Riley broke into the BBA in 1984 as a 17-year-old catcher for Las Vegas. The popular backstop had an excellent, long career, retiring with a .281/.366/.459 slash line that would ultimately get him inducted into the Hall of Fame. The league would have to wait nearly twenty years before another catching Hinson would arrive, but Elroy soon would have his own fantastic career. Elroy, 39, has likely a few more seasons left before the retires, closing the book on the Hinson reign.
Riley Hinson* - 54.7 WAR
↳Elroy Hinson - 76.1 WAR
6. Donald and David Noboru - 116.1 WAR
Donald Noboru* - 65.8 WAR
↳David Noboru - 50.3 WAR
7. J.R. and John Ross Riles Jr. - 108.1 WAR
Papa Riles, while he did play in the BBA, had a disappointing career, actually ending his playing days with a negative WAR. Fortunately for him (and the family name), his son, John Ross Jr., put together a Hall of Fame career. With four Nebraska Awards between 1986 and 1996, Jr. compiled over 100 career WAR to earn this duo a spot in the top ten. NOTE: John Ross Riles Jr.'s grandson, Jefferson Riles, just finished his rookie season in the BBA and extending the Riles legacy.
J.R. Riles - -4.3 WAR
↳John Ross Riles Jr.* - 112.4 WAR
8. Kipper and Tipper Kengos - 106.3 WAR
This marks Kipper's second mention on this list, this time with his other twin son, Tipper. Tipper, not the power hitter like his brother Bopper, had a Hall of Fame career himself thanks to an amazing batting eye and blazing speed on the basepaths.
Kipper Kengos - 21.2 WAR
↳Tipper Kengos* - 85.1 WAR
9. Duane Whitley and Duane Whitley Jr. - 94.4 WAR
Duane Jr. is currently playing in the BBA, coming off a career year for the Twin Cities River Monsters in which he hit 32 home runs, a mark his father did seven times. The elder Whitley was a 13-time All-Star for the Montreal Blazers. Jr., who was born in Montreal during his father's peak, should add double-digit WAR for the remainder of his career, possibly helping bump up this duo a spot or two on this list.
Duane Whitley* - 85.3 WAR
↳Duane Whitley Jr. - 9.1 WAR
10. Tipper and Gipper Kengos - 92.7WAR
More Kengos?! That's right, this time it's Hall of Famer Tipper and his standout son, Gipper. The grandson of Kipper Kengos, Gipper has earned the name "World Famous" not only for his family name, but his on-the-field accolades. Flashing speed and contact skills like his father, the 21-year-old has shown that the Kengos legacy continues on in the BBA.
Tipper Kengos* - 85.1 WAR
↳Gipper Kengos - 7.6 WAR
11. Rashardo Menne Jr. and Rashardo Menne III - 88.4 WAR
The saying "Like father, like son" has never been so true. The younger Menne is a carbon copy of his father: speedster third baseman with outstanding on-base skills. At only 22, Menne III has a chance to make his own mark and possibly pass his father's outstanding career stats.
Rashardo Menne Jr. - 74.0 WAR
↳Rashardo Menne III- 14.4 WAR
12. Mike and Mitchell Swanson - 86.4 WAR
Mike Swanson - 87.2 WAR
↳Mitchell Swanson - -0.8 WAR
13. Gabriel and Elijah Campos - 81.5 WAR
Gabriel Campos* - 81.5 WAR
↳Elijah Campos - 0.0 WAR
14. Doug Glover and Doug Glover Jr. - 78.1 WAR
Doug Glover* -77.5 WAR
↳Doug Glover Jr. - 0.6 WAR
15. Gary and Cooper Estes - 78.0 WAR
Gary Estes* -69.7 WAR
↳Cooper Estes - 8.3 WAR
16. Larry and Luke Lasalle - 66.2 WAR
Larry Lasalle* -66.2 WAR
↳Luke Lasalle - 0.0 WAR
17. Darius Campbell and Darius Campbell Jr. - 62.9 WAR
Darius Campbell - 26.0 WAR
↳Darius Campbell Jr. - 36.9 WAR
18. Sadaharu Oh Jr. and Sadaharu Oh III - 62.4 WAR
Sadaharu Oh Jr. - 59.2 WAR
↳Sadaharu Oh III - 3.2 WAR
19. Maxwell Weiss and Maxwell Weiss Jr. - 61.6 WAR
Maxwell Weiss - 2.7 WAR
↳Maxwell Weiss Jr. - 58.9 WAR
20. Jack Hanski and Jack Hanski Jr. - 60.9 WAR
Jack Hanski* - 48.9 WAR
↳Jack Hanski Jr. - 12.0 WAR
21. Sadaharu Oh Jr. and Johnnie Oh - 60.7 WAR
Sadaharu Oh Jr. - 59.2 WAR
↳Johnnie Oh - 1.5 WAR
22. Robert and Lawrence Columbus LaLoosh - 59.3 WAR
Robert LaLoosh - 2.2 WAR
↳Lawrence "Crash" LaLoosh - 57.1 WAR
* designates member of BBA Hall of Fame
Honorable Mentions: Linares (Milt/Milt Jr.), Pump (Christopher/Christopher Jr.), Colbert (Abe/Abe Jr.), Burkholder (Bill/Bill Jr.), Medrano (Orlando/Juan), Savalkie (Ryan/Ryan Jr.), Reckley (Theo/Theo Jr.), Larkin (Pat/Pat Jr.), Starks (Jimmy/Jimmy Jr.), Wachowski (Jeff "The Dude"/Jeff "Dude Part Deux" Jr.), Light (Dusty/Dusty Jr.)
Notes: The entire Kengo family, when you add in the production of Kipper's brother, Booker (16.4 WAR), totals 256.6 WAR...Hall of Famer Steve Collins (126.6 WAR) had a son, Steve, who had 4000+ at-bats in the minors but never made it to the bigs...the elder Collins has a grandson, Steven III, who is an active player in the BBA with 10.1 WAR at only 22 years old...Hall of Famer Henry Jones (87.0) had a son, Henry, who pitched 950+ innings in the minors but never made it to the bigs...the elder Jones has a grandson, Henry III, who is an active player in the BBA with 0.9 WAR...the LaLoosh family (grandfather Ebby Calvin LaLoosh, father Robert and current BBA'er Lawrence Columbus LaLoosh) total 85.6 WAR over three generations...David Klopp (60.3 WAR) had a son, David Jr., who pitched 1000+ innings in the minors but never made it to the bigs...Manual Aguilar and his son, Manuel "Second Coming" Jr., have a combined 17.0 WAR...the elder Aguilar retired at the age of 26 after a 10.4 WAR season due to injury and his son is currently at 5.4 WAR at only 22 years old...oh, what could have been...Bango Vadabonceour and his son Bango Jr. totaled 11.0 WAR, not quite the toal of Sr.'s Hall of Fame brother, Bombo (66.5)...there are two notable father-son combos that combined for negative WAR: Buttdart Jones and Buttdart Jones Jr. (-0.4) and David "Melanoma" van Dongen and Dave "Carcinoma" van Dongen (-0.5)...Bo Jordan (10.4 WAR) had three sons make it to the big leagues: Hall of Famer Bo (71.4), Deion (-0.1) and Luke (21.8), bringing the family total to 103.5 WAR
Last but not least, a special nod to current long-time general manager Stu "the Genius" Hopkins and his son, Liam "Little GM" Hopkins, who combined for 2.6 WAR, six GM of the Year Awards, and two Landis Memorial titles.
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TOP BBA FATHER-SON DUOS (BY WINS ABOVE REPLACEMENT)
1. Charles and Chip Puckett - 184.3 WAR
When you're the all-time record holder in Wins Above Replacement, as well as games, runs and walks, you'll likely to be atop any list using WAR as a metric. Luckily for the man they called "Cricket," his son Chip has cracked his way into the big leagues, thus qualifying the duo for top father-son pairing. The elder Puckett, a member of the mythical BBA Mount Rushmore, is obviously providing the majority of the production, but Chip has already amassed nearly 20 WAR at just the age of 22. A member of two Landis Championships, Chip's career is off to a great start and as he continues to produce, this tandem will only see their margin over the number two spot grow.
Charles Puckett* - 164.8 WAR
↳Chip Puckett - 19.5 WAR
2. Kipper and Bopper Kengos - 147.5 WAR
Kipper, the patriarch of the First Family of the BBA, makes his first of two appearances on this list thanks two his incredibly talented twin sons. Bopper, the BBA's home run and RBI king, has his father to thank for the numerous awards -- 16 All-Star appearances! -- he earned during his illustrious career.
Kipper Kengos - 21.2 WAR
↳Bopper Kengos* - 126.3 WAR
3. Billy Chapel and Billy Chapel Jr. - 142.9 WAR
Had the elder Chapel's career in the BBA start earlier than his age-30 season, this father-son pitching duo just might be knocking on the doorstep of the Puckett men. Chapel Sr. had a fine, albeit short BBA career but nothing like that of Hall of Famer "Chip". Known for his ability to go deep into games and rack up strikeouts, Billy Jr. won three Nebraska Awards and went to the All-Star Game nine times.
Billy Chapel - 45.8 WAR
↳Billy Chapel Jr.* - 97.1 WAR
4. Daniel Labrie and Daniel Labrie Jr. - 133.4 WAR
The elder Labrie spent his entire 21-year career with the Baltimore Monarchs (now the Brooklyn Robins), tallying base hits and collecting walks at a record pace, leading to a BBA all-time career record .440 on-base percentage. His son, referred to as "Danny Boy" during his playing days, could wield the bat almost as well as his old man, but also excelled defensively.
Daniel Labrie* - 85.8 WAR
↳Daniel Labrie Jr. - 47.6 WAR
5. Riley and Elroy Hinson - 130.8 WAR
Riley broke into the BBA in 1984 as a 17-year-old catcher for Las Vegas. The popular backstop had an excellent, long career, retiring with a .281/.366/.459 slash line that would ultimately get him inducted into the Hall of Fame. The league would have to wait nearly twenty years before another catching Hinson would arrive, but Elroy soon would have his own fantastic career. Elroy, 39, has likely a few more seasons left before the retires, closing the book on the Hinson reign.
Riley Hinson* - 54.7 WAR
↳Elroy Hinson - 76.1 WAR
6. Donald and David Noboru - 116.1 WAR
Donald Noboru* - 65.8 WAR
↳David Noboru - 50.3 WAR
7. J.R. and John Ross Riles Jr. - 108.1 WAR
Papa Riles, while he did play in the BBA, had a disappointing career, actually ending his playing days with a negative WAR. Fortunately for him (and the family name), his son, John Ross Jr., put together a Hall of Fame career. With four Nebraska Awards between 1986 and 1996, Jr. compiled over 100 career WAR to earn this duo a spot in the top ten. NOTE: John Ross Riles Jr.'s grandson, Jefferson Riles, just finished his rookie season in the BBA and extending the Riles legacy.
J.R. Riles - -4.3 WAR
↳John Ross Riles Jr.* - 112.4 WAR
8. Kipper and Tipper Kengos - 106.3 WAR
This marks Kipper's second mention on this list, this time with his other twin son, Tipper. Tipper, not the power hitter like his brother Bopper, had a Hall of Fame career himself thanks to an amazing batting eye and blazing speed on the basepaths.
Kipper Kengos - 21.2 WAR
↳Tipper Kengos* - 85.1 WAR
9. Duane Whitley and Duane Whitley Jr. - 94.4 WAR
Duane Jr. is currently playing in the BBA, coming off a career year for the Twin Cities River Monsters in which he hit 32 home runs, a mark his father did seven times. The elder Whitley was a 13-time All-Star for the Montreal Blazers. Jr., who was born in Montreal during his father's peak, should add double-digit WAR for the remainder of his career, possibly helping bump up this duo a spot or two on this list.
Duane Whitley* - 85.3 WAR
↳Duane Whitley Jr. - 9.1 WAR
10. Tipper and Gipper Kengos - 92.7WAR
More Kengos?! That's right, this time it's Hall of Famer Tipper and his standout son, Gipper. The grandson of Kipper Kengos, Gipper has earned the name "World Famous" not only for his family name, but his on-the-field accolades. Flashing speed and contact skills like his father, the 21-year-old has shown that the Kengos legacy continues on in the BBA.
Tipper Kengos* - 85.1 WAR
↳Gipper Kengos - 7.6 WAR
11. Rashardo Menne Jr. and Rashardo Menne III - 88.4 WAR
The saying "Like father, like son" has never been so true. The younger Menne is a carbon copy of his father: speedster third baseman with outstanding on-base skills. At only 22, Menne III has a chance to make his own mark and possibly pass his father's outstanding career stats.
Rashardo Menne Jr. - 74.0 WAR
↳Rashardo Menne III- 14.4 WAR
12. Mike and Mitchell Swanson - 86.4 WAR
Mike Swanson - 87.2 WAR
↳Mitchell Swanson - -0.8 WAR
13. Gabriel and Elijah Campos - 81.5 WAR
Gabriel Campos* - 81.5 WAR
↳Elijah Campos - 0.0 WAR
14. Doug Glover and Doug Glover Jr. - 78.1 WAR
Doug Glover* -77.5 WAR
↳Doug Glover Jr. - 0.6 WAR
15. Gary and Cooper Estes - 78.0 WAR
Gary Estes* -69.7 WAR
↳Cooper Estes - 8.3 WAR
16. Larry and Luke Lasalle - 66.2 WAR
Larry Lasalle* -66.2 WAR
↳Luke Lasalle - 0.0 WAR
17. Darius Campbell and Darius Campbell Jr. - 62.9 WAR
Darius Campbell - 26.0 WAR
↳Darius Campbell Jr. - 36.9 WAR
18. Sadaharu Oh Jr. and Sadaharu Oh III - 62.4 WAR
Sadaharu Oh Jr. - 59.2 WAR
↳Sadaharu Oh III - 3.2 WAR
19. Maxwell Weiss and Maxwell Weiss Jr. - 61.6 WAR
Maxwell Weiss - 2.7 WAR
↳Maxwell Weiss Jr. - 58.9 WAR
20. Jack Hanski and Jack Hanski Jr. - 60.9 WAR
Jack Hanski* - 48.9 WAR
↳Jack Hanski Jr. - 12.0 WAR
21. Sadaharu Oh Jr. and Johnnie Oh - 60.7 WAR
Sadaharu Oh Jr. - 59.2 WAR
↳Johnnie Oh - 1.5 WAR
22. Robert and Lawrence Columbus LaLoosh - 59.3 WAR
Robert LaLoosh - 2.2 WAR
↳Lawrence "Crash" LaLoosh - 57.1 WAR
* designates member of BBA Hall of Fame
Honorable Mentions: Linares (Milt/Milt Jr.), Pump (Christopher/Christopher Jr.), Colbert (Abe/Abe Jr.), Burkholder (Bill/Bill Jr.), Medrano (Orlando/Juan), Savalkie (Ryan/Ryan Jr.), Reckley (Theo/Theo Jr.), Larkin (Pat/Pat Jr.), Starks (Jimmy/Jimmy Jr.), Wachowski (Jeff "The Dude"/Jeff "Dude Part Deux" Jr.), Light (Dusty/Dusty Jr.)
Notes: The entire Kengo family, when you add in the production of Kipper's brother, Booker (16.4 WAR), totals 256.6 WAR...Hall of Famer Steve Collins (126.6 WAR) had a son, Steve, who had 4000+ at-bats in the minors but never made it to the bigs...the elder Collins has a grandson, Steven III, who is an active player in the BBA with 10.1 WAR at only 22 years old...Hall of Famer Henry Jones (87.0) had a son, Henry, who pitched 950+ innings in the minors but never made it to the bigs...the elder Jones has a grandson, Henry III, who is an active player in the BBA with 0.9 WAR...the LaLoosh family (grandfather Ebby Calvin LaLoosh, father Robert and current BBA'er Lawrence Columbus LaLoosh) total 85.6 WAR over three generations...David Klopp (60.3 WAR) had a son, David Jr., who pitched 1000+ innings in the minors but never made it to the bigs...Manual Aguilar and his son, Manuel "Second Coming" Jr., have a combined 17.0 WAR...the elder Aguilar retired at the age of 26 after a 10.4 WAR season due to injury and his son is currently at 5.4 WAR at only 22 years old...oh, what could have been...Bango Vadabonceour and his son Bango Jr. totaled 11.0 WAR, not quite the toal of Sr.'s Hall of Fame brother, Bombo (66.5)...there are two notable father-son combos that combined for negative WAR: Buttdart Jones and Buttdart Jones Jr. (-0.4) and David "Melanoma" van Dongen and Dave "Carcinoma" van Dongen (-0.5)...Bo Jordan (10.4 WAR) had three sons make it to the big leagues: Hall of Famer Bo (71.4), Deion (-0.1) and Luke (21.8), bringing the family total to 103.5 WAR
Last but not least, a special nod to current long-time general manager Stu "the Genius" Hopkins and his son, Liam "Little GM" Hopkins, who combined for 2.6 WAR, six GM of the Year Awards, and two Landis Memorial titles.
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Re: Fathers and Sons: A BBA Retrospective
I'll update this over the next month or so with links but at 90+ names, it was too much to add to an already daunting task. Hope everyone new and old enjoys! Please let me know if I've left any notable father-son duos off.
Happy Father's Day to all the dads in the league!
Happy Father's Day to all the dads in the league!
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Re: Fathers and Sons: A BBA Retrospective
this is good stuff
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Beautiful. I'm feeling bonus points at the end of the day.
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Nice! I love the Kengos family. I remember when i created Gipper as an ammy. Good times.
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This is really cool. The Hinsons are interesting because they both had very strong, roughly equivalent careers rather than father or son dominating. Judging from the list, that’s fairly unusual.
Nice work!
Nice work!
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Good lord. This is awesome. I hope to be around for the three generations update.
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The Noborus should be #6
Donald and David Noboru - 116.1 WAR
Donald Noboru - 65.8 WAR
David Noboru - 50.3 WAR
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Donald Noboru - 65.8 WAR
David Noboru - 50.3 WAR
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Johnnie Oh is the brother to Sadaharu III, so add another whopping 1.5 WAR to that family. Sadaharu Jr. named Johnnie after his teammate Johnnie Iraq.
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Re: Fathers and Sons: A BBA Retrospective
Isn't Johnnie Oh also a son of Sadaharu? (EDIT: and Kevin beat me to it)jleddy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:15 pm17. Sadaharu Oh Jr. and Sadaharu Oh III - 62.4 WAR
Sadaharu Oh Jr. - 59.2 WAR
↳Sadaharu Oh III - 3.2 WAR.....
Last but not least, a special nod to current long-time general manager Stu "the Genius" Hopkins and his son, Liam "Little GM" Hopkins, who combined for 2.6 WAR, six GM of the Year Awards, and two Landis Memorial titles
And if we're including sons of GMs, don't forget Henry Rectenberg. That's 14.8 WAR and more GM awards than I can count.
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Ahh, good one! I'll update the original post...thanks!indiansfan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:57 pmJohnnie Oh is the brother to Sadaharu III, so add another whopping 1.5 WAR to that family. Sadaharu Jr. named Johnnie after his teammate Johnnie Iraq.
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Good catch...I'll update the original post!udlb58 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:51 pmThe Noborus should be #6
Donald and David Noboru - 116.1 WAR
Donald Noboru - 65.8 WAR
David Noboru - 50.3 WAR
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